Blocking fix for 947713: libgtk2.0-0: is deprecated and entirely unmaintained upstream, 967501: gtkspell: depends on deprecated GTK 2, 967849: gtkspell: deprecated in favour of gtkspell3
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(Tue, 04 Aug 2020 11:06:55 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
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Source: sylpheed
Severity: normal
User: pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org
Usertags: gtk2 oldlibs
Control: block 947713 by -1
This package has Build-Depends on GTK 2 (libgtk2.0-dev), or produces
binary packages with a Depends on GTK 2.
GTK 2 was superseded by GTK 3 in 2011 (see
<https://bugs.debian.org/947713>). It no longer receives any significant
upstream maintenance, and in particular does not get feature development
for new features like UI scaling on high-pixel-density displays (HiDPI)
and native Wayland support. GTK 3 is in maintenance mode and GTK 4 is
approaching release, so it seems like a good time to be thinking about
minimizing the amount of GTK 2 in the archive.
GTK 2 is used by some important productivity applications like GIMP, and
has also historically been a popular UI toolkit for proprietary software
that we can't change, so perhaps removing GTK 2 from Debian will never be
feasible. However, it has reached the point where a dependency on it is
a bug - not a release-critical bug, and not a bug that can necessarily
be fixed quickly, but a piece of technical debt that maintainers should
be aware of.
A porting guide is provided in the GTK 3 documentation:
https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/migrating.html
Some libraries (for example libgtkspell0) expose GTK as part of their
API/ABI, in which case removing the deprecated dependency requires
breaking API/ABI. For these libraries, in many cases there will already
be a corresponding GTK 3 version (for example libgtkspell3-3-0), in which
case the GTK 2-based library should probably be deprecated or removed
itself. If there is no GTK 3 equivalent, of a GTK 2-based library,
maintainers should talk to the dependent library's upstream developers
about whether the dependent library should break API/ABI and switch
to GTK 3, or whether the dependent library should itself be deprecated
or removed.
A few packages extend GTK 2 by providing plugins (theme engines, input
methods, etc.) or themes, for example ibus and mate-themes. If these
packages deliberately support GTK 2 even though it is deprecated, and
they also support GTK 3, then it is appropriate to mark this mass-filed
bug as wontfix for now. I have tried to exclude these packages from
the mass-bug-filing, but I probably missed some of them.
Regards,
smcv
Added indication that bug 967764 blocks 947713
Request was from smcv@debian.org
to maintonly@bugs.debian.org.
(Tue, 04 Aug 2020 11:06:55 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
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(Tue, 04 Aug 2020 13:18:13 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
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Subject: Re: Bug#967764: sylpheed: depends on deprecated GTK 2
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 14:16:25 +0100
Control: user pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org
Control: usertags -1 + gtkspell
Control: block 967849 by -1
Porting from GTK 2 to GTK 3 will also involve removing use of gtkspell 2.x,
or replacing it by use of gtkspell 3.x. I'm using the same bug report to
represent this because it will likely have to be done at the same time
(if you drop use of gtkspell 2.x without also porting to GTK 3, please
clone the bug and adjust metadata as needed).
smcv
Added indication that bug 967764 blocks 967849
Request was from Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org>
to 967764-maintonly@bugs.debian.org.
(Tue, 04 Aug 2020 13:18:14 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Reply sent
to Hideki Yamane <henrich@debian.org>:
You have taken responsibility.
(Tue, 04 Aug 2020 14:39:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Notification sent
to smcv@debian.org:
Bug acknowledged by developer.
(Tue, 04 Aug 2020 14:39:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Source: sylpheed
Source-Version: 3.7.0-8
Done: Hideki Yamane <henrich@debian.org>
We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
sylpheed, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.
A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.
Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed. If you
have further comments please address them to 967764@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.
Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Hideki Yamane <henrich@debian.org> (supplier of updated sylpheed package)
(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
administrators by mailing ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org)
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 22:47:30 +0900
Source: sylpheed
Architecture: source
Version: 3.7.0-8
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Ricardo Mones <mones@debian.org>
Changed-By: Hideki Yamane <henrich@debian.org>
Closes: 967764
Changes:
sylpheed (3.7.0-8) unstable; urgency=medium
.
* debian/control
- Set Build-Depends s/libgtk2.0-dev/libgtk-3-dev/ (Closes: #967764)
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(Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:42:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
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(Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:42:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Subject: Re: Bug#967764: fixed in sylpheed 3.7.0-8
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 20:38:31 +0900
control: reopen -1
> * debian/control
> - Set Build-Depends s/libgtk2.0-dev/libgtk-3-dev/ (Closes: #967764)
Hi, It seems that this bug is not fixed yet.
% LANG=C apt depends sylpheed
sylpheed
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15)
Depends: libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4)
Depends: libcompfaceg1
Depends: libenchant-2-2 (>= 2.2.3)
Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0)
Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3)
Depends: libgpgme11 (>= 1.4.1)
Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.32)
Depends: libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.16-1.3~)
Depends: libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7)
Depends: libonig5 (>= 6.8.1)
Depends: libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0)
Depends: libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0)
Depends: libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0)
Depends: pinentry-gtk2
Depends: sensible-utils
Regards,
-- System Information:
Debian Release: bullseye/sid
APT prefers unstable-debug
APT policy: (500, 'unstable-debug'), (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Kernel: Linux 5.7.0-2-amd64 (SMP w/12 CPU threads)
Kernel taint flags: TAINT_PROPRIETARY_MODULE, TAINT_WARN, TAINT_OOT_MODULE, TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE
Locale: LANG=ja_JP.utf8, LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled
Versions of packages sylpheed depends on:
ii libc6 2.31-2
ii libcairo2 1.16.0-4
ii libcompfaceg1 1:1.5.2-5+b2
ii libenchant-2-2 2.2.8-1
ii libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 2.40.0+dfsg-5
ii libglib2.0-0 2.64.4-1
ii libgpgme11 1.13.1-9
ii libgtk2.0-0 2.24.32-4
ii libgtkspell0 2.0.16-1.3
ii libldap-2.4-2 2.4.50+dfsg-1+b1
ii libonig5 6.9.5-2
ii libpango-1.0-0 1.44.7-4
ii libpangocairo-1.0-0 1.44.7-4
ii libssl1.1 1.1.1g-1
ii pinentry-gtk2 1.1.0-4
ii sensible-utils 0.0.12+nmu1
Versions of packages sylpheed recommends:
ii aspell-en [aspell-dictionary] 2018.04.16-0-1
ii ca-certificates 20200601
ii sylfilter 0.8-7
ii sylpheed-i18n 3.7.0-7
Versions of packages sylpheed suggests:
pn claws-mail-tools <none>
ii curl 7.68.0-1+b1
pn sylpheed-doc <none>
pn sylpheed-plugins <none>
-- no debconf information
Bug reopened
Request was from Kentaro Hayashi <hayashi@clear-code.com>
to 967764-submit@bugs.debian.org.
(Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:42:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
No longer marked as fixed in versions sylpheed/3.7.0-8.
Request was from Kentaro Hayashi <hayashi@clear-code.com>
to 967764-submit@bugs.debian.org.
(Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:42:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Added indication that bug 967764 blocks 967501
Request was from Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org>
to control@bugs.debian.org.
(Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:45:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Information forwarded
to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Ricardo Mones <mones@debian.org>: Bug#967764; Package src:sylpheed.
(Wed, 25 Oct 2023 18:18:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
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to Bastian Germann <bage@debian.org>:
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(Wed, 25 Oct 2023 18:18:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Subject: Re: sylpheed: depends on deprecated GTK 2
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 20:15:53 +0200
With claws-mail, there is a sylpheed fork available in Debian that has the porting to GTK 3 done.
sylpheed upstream development seems to have stalled.
Please consider to have a good migration story for users and get rid of sylpheed for trixie.
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(Wed, 01 Nov 2023 23:09:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
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To: 967764@bugs.debian.org, Bastian Germann <bage@debian.org>
Subject: Re: sylpheed: depends on deprecated GTK 2
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2023 23:47:17 +0100
Hi,
I had been using sylpheed before & clawsmail
more recently. I do think it's time to drop the ball:
i.e:
1) RM src:sylpheed
2) let src:claws-mail provide a "sylpheed" transitional package,
3) maybe with a config migration script, but this step is not mandatory
to get 1 & 2 done.
Conveniently the version number of claws-mail is higher than sylpheed's one,
so no need for extra debhelper wizardy.
(I did somethink like "3" for residualvm -> scummvm but MR was rejected...
it's better to discuss first)
Greetings
> From: Bastian Germann <bage@debian.org>
> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 20:15:53 +0200
>
> With claws-mail, there is a sylpheed fork available in Debian that has the porting to GTK 3 done.
> sylpheed upstream development seems to have stalled.
> Please consider to have a good migration story for users and get rid of sylpheed for trixie.
> From: Ricardo Mones
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1036799
>
> This fact joined with the increased slowness of upstream development
> during the past years makes me wonder if it's still worth to maintain
> Sylpheed within Debian.
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(Thu, 02 Nov 2023 15:12:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
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Hi,
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 23:47:17 +0100
Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I had been using sylpheed before & clawsmail
> more recently. I do think it's time to drop the ball:
>
> i.e:
> 1) RM src:sylpheed
> 2) let src:claws-mail provide a "sylpheed" transitional package,
> 3) maybe with a config migration script, but this step is not mandatory
> to get 1 & 2 done.
For this route I think is mandatory the existing configurations of sylpheed
do still work after being replaced by claws-mail. IMO better than leaving
users with a migrated configuration that doesn't work is preferable to let
the users to configure claws-mail from scratch.
Note that claws-mail has migration code for sylpheed configurations since the
early days, but with the years passed since they forked this could be easily
missing some change.
> Conveniently the version number of claws-mail is higher than sylpheed's
> one, so no need for extra debhelper wizardy.
>
> (I did somethink like "3" for residualvm -> scummvm but MR was rejected...
> it's better to discuss first)
>
> Greetings
>
> > From: Bastian Germann <bage@debian.org>
> > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 20:15:53 +0200
> >
> > With claws-mail, there is a sylpheed fork available in Debian that has
> > the porting to GTK 3 done. sylpheed upstream development seems to have
> > stalled. Please consider to have a good migration story for users and
> > get rid of sylpheed for trixie.
My feeling, from the decades I've been subscribed to upstream ML, is that
for most of Sylpheed users migration to Claws Mail is not an option. Of
course I could be wrong, and not having it in Debian could also lean the
scale for some of those users, but, although the core function is still the
same, this is not a trivial change from the users' point of view IMO.
To summarize: I think is better to some slightly annoyed users who had to
install claws-mail by hand than a bunch of angry users because they got
claws-mail installed when they simply requested to upgrade sylpheed.
Said that, we're still at the beginning of the cycle and there's still a lot
of time before trixie is released, no need to make a rushed decision now.
best regards,
--
Ricardo Mones
http://people.debian.org/~mones
«Whistler's Law: You never know who is right, but you always know who
is in charge.»
Severity set to 'important' from 'normal'
Request was from Jeremy Bícha <jbicha@debian.org>
to control@bugs.debian.org.
(Sat, 15 Nov 2025 17:07:46 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Added tag(s) forky and sid.
Request was from Jeremy Bícha <jbicha@debian.org>
to control@bugs.debian.org.
(Tue, 25 Nov 2025 04:55:34 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
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(Thu, 08 Jan 2026 01:20:13 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
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Control: severity -1 serious
As announced [1], we are trying to remove gtk2 from forky. Therefore,
I am raising the severity of this issue.
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/01/msg00090.html
On behalf of the Debian GNOME team,
Jeremy Bícha
Severity set to 'serious' from 'important'
Request was from Jeremy Bícha <jbicha@debian.org>
to 967764-submit@bugs.debian.org.
(Thu, 08 Jan 2026 01:20:13 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
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Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Bug#1089809: raise severity of gtk2 bugs
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 16:05:07 +0000
On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 at 15:59, Jeremy Bícha <jbicha@debian.org> wrote:
> As announced [1], we are trying to remove gtk2 from forky. Therefore,
> I am raising the severity of this issue.
Do we have a fix for this? It seems we need to either re-write or drop
ClassicLadder.
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