Debian Bug report logs - #870418
shutter: Depends on obsolete libgnome2-vfs-perl that will go away during the Buster cycle

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: intrigeri@debian.org

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: shutter: Depends on obsolete libgnome2-vfs-perl that will go away during the Buster cycle

Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 15:25:05 -0400

Package: shutter
Severity: important
User: pkg-perl-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org
Usertags: gnome2-removal
X-Debbugs-Cc: ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) <czchen@debian.org>, Dominique Dumont <dod@debian.org>

Hi,

as said on July 20
(https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=868398#15),
this package is one of the very few blockers that currently prevent us
from removing the obsolete libgnome2-perl and libgnome2-vfs-perl from
the archive.

Can I proceed and request the removal of this package from
the archive? Or has someone a plan to remove this dependency during
the Buster cycle?

I'm explicitly adding the people who've worked on this package this
most recently into the loop as they might have a plan or opinions.

Context: ideally I would like to sort this out during DebCamp, so
a quick answer would be appreciated. But of course I understand if you
can't react this fast :)

Cheers,
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Message #20 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) <czchen@debian.org>

To: intrigeri@debian.org, 870418@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#870418: shutter: Depends on obsolete libgnome2-vfs-perl that will go away during the Buster cycle

Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 06:13:45 -0400

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On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 03:25:05PM -0400, intrigeri@debian.org wrote:
> Can I proceed and request the removal of this package from
> the archive? Or has someone a plan to remove this dependency during
> the Buster cycle?

Just tried to remove the depencency without success. shutter cannot
start due to missing Gnome2.pm. Need to check if this can be fix easily
or not. If we cannot fix it, I will say we can request the removal.

> Context: ideally I would like to sort this out during DebCamp, so
> a quick answer would be appreciated. But of course I understand if you
> can't react this fast :)

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Message #25 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org>

To: 870418@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#870418: shutter: Depends on obsolete libgnome2-vfs-perl that will go away during the Buster cycle

Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 08:42:15 -0400

ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬):
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 03:25:05PM -0400, intrigeri@debian.org wrote:
>> Can I proceed and request the removal of this package from
>> the archive? Or has someone a plan to remove this dependency during
>> the Buster cycle?

> Just tried to remove the depencency without success. shutter cannot
> start due to missing Gnome2.pm.

Thanks a lot for checking!

> Need to check if this can be fix easily or not. If we cannot fix it,
> I will say we can request the removal.

This works for me. Note that shutter is also one of the very few
packages blocking the removal of other libgnome2*-perl packages,
so ideally the fix would remove all Gnome2::* dependencies.

What would be an acceptable timeline for you to check before we decide
about the removal? Personally I'm rather flexible: as long as this
happens during the Buster development cycle, I'm happy :)

Cheers,
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Message #30 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dominique Dumont <dod@debian.org>

To: 870418@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#870418: shutter: Depends on obsolete libgnome2-vfs-perl that will go away during the Buster cycle

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 09:05:42 +0200

On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 08:42:15 -0400 intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org> wrote:

> > Just tried to remove the depencency without success. shutter cannot
> > start due to missing Gnome2.pm.
> 
> Thanks a lot for checking!

Let me have a look before deciding to remove shutter.

> What would be an acceptable timeline for you to check before we decide
> about the removal? 

Give me at least 2 months.

> Personally I'm rather flexible: as long as this
> happens during the Buster development cycle, I'm happy :)

I think this can be done ;-)

All the best

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Message #35 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org>

To: 870418@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#870418: shutter: Depends on obsolete libgnome2-vfs-perl that will go away during the Buster cycle

Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 10:36:49 +0200

Dominique Dumont (2017-08-15):
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 08:42:15 -0400 intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org> wrote:
>> > Just tried to remove the depencency without success. shutter cannot
>> > start due to missing Gnome2.pm.
>> 
>> Thanks a lot for checking!

> Let me have a look before deciding to remove shutter.

>> What would be an acceptable timeline for you to check before we decide
>> about the removal? 

> Give me at least 2 months.

Sure!

>> Personally I'm rather flexible: as long as this
>> happens during the Buster development cycle, I'm happy :)

> I think this can be done ;-)

Great :)

Cheers,
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Message #40 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org>

To: Dominique Dumont <dod@debian.org>

Cc: 870418@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#870418: shutter: Depends on obsolete libgnome2-vfs-perl that will go away during the Buster cycle

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:04:48 +0200

Control: forwarded -1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/shutter/+bug/1006290
Control: tag -1 + upstream

Hi,

Dominique Dumont (2017-08-15):
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 08:42:15 -0400 intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org> wrote:
>> What would be an acceptable timeline for you to check before we decide
>> about the removal? 

> Give me at least 2 months.

Any status update?

FWIW the upstream bug about this issue was created 5 years ago and
never updated since then.

Thanks!

Cheers,
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intrigeri

Message #49 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dominique Dumont <dod@debian.org>

To: GTK-Perl List <gtk-perl-list@gnome.org>

Cc: mario.kemper@gmx.de, 870418@bugs.debian.org, debian-perl@lists.debian.org

Subject: Precarious status of Shutter in Debian

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 13:30:18 +0200

Hello

Debian is moving away from Gnome2::VFS [1] . This obsolete module will be 
removed from next release of Debian.

Unfortunately, shutter, a very nice Gtk2 screenshot application,  depends on 
Gnome::VFS, which means that shutter will be removed from Debian unless this 
dependency is removed from shutter [2].

I guess that the options are:
* port shutter from Gnome2::VFS to GVFS or GIO 
* replace Gnome2::VFS with other Perl modules.

Unfortunately, Debian perl team do not have the skills or bandwidth to work on 
this port, I hope that someone on this list will be able to help.

Does anyone on this list have better ideas ?

All the best

Dod, on behalf of Debian Perl team

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=870418
[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/shutter/+bug/1006290
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Message #54 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dominique Dumont <domi.dumont@free.fr>

To: GTK-Perl List <gtk-perl-list@gnome.org>

Cc: mario.kemper@gmx.de, 870418@bugs.debian.org, debian-perl@lists.debian.org

Subject: Precarious status of Shutter in Debian

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 14:24:48 +0200

[ re-sent with right From address ]

Hello

Debian is moving away from Gnome2::VFS [1] . This obsolete module will be 
removed from next release of Debian.

Unfortunately, shutter, a very nice Gtk2 screenshot application,  depends on 
Gnome::VFS, which means that shutter will be removed from Debian unless this 
dependency is removed from shutter [2].

I guess that the options are:
* port shutter from Gnome2::VFS to GVFS or GIO 
* replace Gnome2::VFS with other Perl modules.

Unfortunately, Debian perl team do not have the skills or bandwidth to work on 
this port, I hope that someone on this list will be able to help.

Does anyone on this list have better ideas ?

All the best

Dod, on behalf of Debian Perl team

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=870418
[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/shutter/+bug/1006290
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Message #59 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi@gmail.com>

To: Dominique Dumont <domi.dumont@free.fr>

Cc: GTK-Perl List <gtk-perl-list@gnome.org>, 870418@bugs.debian.org, debian-perl@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Precarious status of Shutter in Debian

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 14:28:25 +0100

Hi;

On 20 October 2017 at 13:24, Dominique Dumont <domi.dumont@free.fr> wrote:
> [ re-sent with right From address ]
>
> Hello
>
> Debian is moving away from Gnome2::VFS [1] . This obsolete module will be
> removed from next release of Debian.
>
> Unfortunately, shutter, a very nice Gtk2 screenshot application,  depends on
> Gnome::VFS, which means that shutter will be removed from Debian unless this
> dependency is removed from shutter [2].
>
> I guess that the options are:
> * port shutter from Gnome2::VFS to GVFS or GIO
> * replace Gnome2::VFS with other Perl modules.
>
> Unfortunately, Debian perl team do not have the skills or bandwidth to work on
> this port, I hope that someone on this list will be able to help.
>
> Does anyone on this list have better ideas ?

Considering that:

 - upstream development seems dead
 - Shutter uses GTK+ 2.x, which is the old-stable version of GTK
 - Shutter is also heavily tied to X11 and does not work on Wayland

I'm not entirely sure why you think the whole thing shouldn't be
retired altogether.

Ciao,
 Emmanuele.

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Message #64 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info>

To: Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi@gmail.com>

Cc: Dominique Dumont <domi.dumont@free.fr>, GTK-Perl List <gtk-perl-list@gnome.org>, 870418@bugs.debian.org, debian-perl@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Precarious status of Shutter in Debian

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 22:53:53 +0900

> I'm not entirely sure why you think the whole thing shouldn't be
> retired altogether.

Because it simply works nicely? Only because Gtk/Gnome maniacs are
switching to something rather useless, doesn't mean that old software
is becoming useless, too.

Norbert

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Message #69 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christopher Hoskin <mans0954@debian.org>

To: Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi@gmail.com>

Cc: Dominique Dumont <domi.dumont@free.fr>, GTK-Perl List <gtk-perl-list@gnome.org>, 870418@bugs.debian.org, debian-perl@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Precarious status of Shutter in Debian

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 15:16:07 +0100

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On 20 October 2017 at 14:28, Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi@gmail.com> wrote:

> Considering that:
>
>  - upstream development seems dead
>
>

They did manage to put out a new point release recently:

http://shutter-project.org/2017/09/after-a-long-time-a-new-bug-fix-release-0-94/

I suspect it needs more work than that though to make it useable in sid -
which is a shame as it's a nice tool.

Christopher

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Message #74 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi@gmail.com>

To: Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info>

Cc: Dominique Dumont <domi.dumont@free.fr>, GTK-Perl List <gtk-perl-list@gnome.org>, 870418@bugs.debian.org, debian-perl@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Precarious status of Shutter in Debian

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 15:24:38 +0100

On 20 October 2017 at 14:53, Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> wrote:
>> I'm not entirely sure why you think the whole thing shouldn't be
>> retired altogether.
>
> Because it simply works nicely? Only because Gtk/Gnome maniacs

Nice contribution.

Could you please try to avoid insulting other people in the free
software community, especially when looking to get their help?

Otherwise you should reconsider replying at all.

> are switching to something rather useless,

We clearly have different definitions of "useless".

> doesn't mean that old software
> is becoming useless, too.

Unmaintained software that uses long since deprecated functionality is
not strictly speaking "useless", but it's definitely a source of risk,
especially when running it inside a platform that is still maintained.

Of course, you're absolutely free to keep using old, unmaintained
software; you can either choose never to upgrade the environment in
which it runs, or you get to pick up its maintenance.

Ciao,
 Emmanuele.

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Message #79 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Marc Chantreux <khatar@phear.org>

To: Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info>

Cc: Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi@gmail.com>, Dominique Dumont <domi.dumont@free.fr>, GTK-Perl List <gtk-perl-list@gnome.org>, 870418@bugs.debian.org, debian-perl@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Precarious status of Shutter in Debian

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 20:17:52 +0200

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:53:53PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > I'm not entirely sure why you think the whole thing shouldn't be
> > retired altogether.
> 
> Because it simply works nicely? 

this was a usefull answer (at least it is something to care about)...
but

> Only because Gtk/Gnome maniacs are
> switching to something rather useless, doesn't mean that old software
> is becoming useless, too.

wow ... even if i don't buy all the "gnome maniacs" mindshare (which
actually is a very friendly community), i have to admit i'm pissed off
to see those kind of answer, this isn't only rude (Emmanuele just wanted
to share an opinion) but *this* was useless, whatever your definition of
useless is.

reading those kind of quotes in an open source mailing list in 2017
looks awkward to me...

regards
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Message #84 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dominique Dumont <domi.dumont@free.fr>

To: Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi@gmail.com>

Cc: debian-perl@lists.debian.org, GTK-Perl List <gtk-perl-list@gnome.org>, 870418@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Precarious status of Shutter in Debian

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:45:07 +0200

On Friday, 20 October 2017 14:28:25 CEST Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
> I'm not entirely sure why you think the whole thing shouldn't be
> retired altogether.

Well, as mentioned by others, it's a really nice screenshot application. One 
of the best looking Perl application, like gcstar or frozen-bubble. It's a 
shame that there's no "powered by Perl" somewhere on the UI.

And shutter is still quite popular according to popcon [1]. 

That said, if it's not popular enough to find a maintainer, we'll have no 
choice but to remove it from Debian.

I guess that the next step is to announce the probable demise of shutter on 
debian-devel and debian-users in the (slim) hope that someone steps up.

All the best

Dod

PS: I wonder what is shutter's status in other distro ...

[1] https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=shutter

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Message #91 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org>

To: Dominique Dumont <domi.dumont@free.fr>

Cc: 870418@bugs.debian.org, debian-perl@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#870418: Precarious status of Shutter in Debian

Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 10:08:39 +0100

Hi,

Dominique Dumont (2017-10-21):
> That said, if it's not popular enough to find a maintainer, we'll have no 
> choice but to remove it from Debian.

> I guess that the next step is to announce the probable demise of shutter on 
> debian-devel and debian-users in the (slim) hope that someone steps up.

Did this happen?

Updates:

 - The GNOME team is now bumping severity on bugs that block the
   removal of libgnome*.

 - shutter transitively depends on libunique that shall go away as
   well (#885811).

Cheers,
-- 
intrigeri

Message #96 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dominique Dumont <domi.dumont@free.fr>

To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-user@lists.debian.org

Cc: GTK-Perl List <gtk-perl-list@gnome.org>, mario.kemper@gmx.de, 870418@bugs.debian.org, debian-perl@lists.debian.org

Subject: Precarious status of Shutter in Debian

Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 10:39:25 +0100

Hello

Debian is moving away from Gnome2::VFS [1] . This obsolete module will be 
removed from next release of Debian.

Unfortunately, shutter, a very nice Gtk2 screenshot application,  depends on 
Gnome::VFS, which means that shutter will be removed from Debian unless this 
dependency is removed from shutter [2].

I guess that the options are:
* port shutter from Gnome2::VFS to GVFS or GIO 
* replace Gnome2::VFS with other Perl modules.

Unfortunately, Debian perl team do not have the skills or bandwidth to work on 
this port, I hope that someone will be able to help.

If you're interested in taking over maintenance of shutter, please:
- coordinate with upstream shutter team [3] (yes, upstream is on launchpad)
- keep debian-perl team and me posted

All the best

Dod, on behalf of Debian Perl team

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=870418
[2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/shutter/+bug/1006290
[3] https://launchpad.net/~shutter
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Message #101 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dominique Dumont <domi.dumont@free.fr>

To: debian-perl@lists.debian.org

Cc: intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org>, 870418@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#870418: Precarious status of Shutter in Debian

Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 10:41:08 +0100

On Sunday, 31 December 2017 10:08:39 CET intrigeri wrote:
> Did this happen?

Sorry, not yet.

I've been swamped these last months. I just sent the mail today.

All the best
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Message #106 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@debian.org>

To: 868395@bugs.debian.org, 868398@bugs.debian.org, 870418@bugs.debian.org, 870421@bugs.debian, 870422@bugs.debian.org, 870423@bugs.debian.org, 889108@bugs.debian.org, 885811@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Raising severity of libgnome perl rdepends bugs

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:44:19 -0500

Control: severity -1 serious

As announced [1], we do not intend to release Debian 10 "Buster" with
the old libgnome (and related) libraries. As part of this process, I
am now raising the severity of these bugs.

A separate warning email for Shutter was sent to debian-devel. [2]

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2018/02/msg00169.html
[2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/12/msg00605.html

On behalf of the Debian GNOME team,
Jeremy Bicha

Message #117 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org>

To: Dominique Dumont <domi.dumont@free.fr>, Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@debian.org>

Cc: 870418@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#870418: How much longer should Shutter remain in sid?

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 10:32:22 +0800

Hi,

(status update on top, specific questions for Jeremy and Dominique at
the bottom)

Jeremy Bicha:
> As announced [1], we do not intend to release Debian 10 "Buster" with
> the old libgnome (and related) libraries. As part of this process, I
> am now raising the severity of these bugs.

Almost a year has now passed since I've filed this bug report during
DebCamp17. Shutter is now the only blocker that currently prevents us
from removing 7 obsolete lib*-perl packages from the archive, which in
turns blocks removing obsolete GNOME 2 libraries. Since then, calls
for help were sent to the gtk-perl list (9 months ago) and to
debian-{devel,user}@ (6.5 months ago).

My understanding of the upstream situation [1] is:

 - A patch was proposed by Dominique Dumont 4 months ago, that ports
   file handling from VFS to GIO. Thanks Dominique!

 - As a follow-up to this patch submission, on March 11 the only
   active upstream maintainer of Shutter wrote "I'm not a developer
   and in particular I never learnt Pearl and never worked with GTK
   libraries", cannot review patches, and proposed to give Dominique
   access to the upstream BZR repo so he can fix stuff directly there
   (and de facto become the only person active upstream with
   development skills). Dominique did not reply to this offer.

 - I'm not aware of any WIP to port Shutter away from its other
   lib{gtk,gnome}2-*-perl dependencies (see the list of RC bugs
   blocked by this one for details).

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/shutter/+bug/1006290

At this point, it looks quite clear that nobody has the skills,
motivation and time to take over Shutter development upstream and port
its codebase to non-obsolete libraries during the Buster development
cycle. shutter and lib*-perl packages were removed from testing a few
months ago and it's unlikely they'll be part of the Buster release.

What I'm now wondering is how long we want to keep them in sid.

With my pkg-perl team member hat on, I'm not very comfortable with
keeping, under the team umbrella, 7 obsolete lib{gtk,gnome}2-*-perl
packages in the archive, themselves depending on libraries that have
been declared unmaintained upstream for years. I'm fine with keeping
them in sid a little longer (say, until the end of 2018) if Dominique
thinks that waiting some more has any chance to bring a new Shutter
version that does not depend on these obsolete libraries. Dominique,
what do you think?

Jeremy, what's the plan wrt. obsolete GNOME libraries in sid?

Cheers,
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Message #122 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dominique Dumont <dod@debian.org>

To: intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org>

Cc: 870418@bugs.debian.org, Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@debian.org>, debian-perl@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#870418: How much longer should Shutter remain in sid?

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:34:12 +0200

On Tuesday, 24 July 2018 04:32:22 CEST you wrote:
>  [...] and proposed to give Dominique
>    access to the upstream BZR repo so he can fix stuff directly there
>    (and de facto become the only person active upstream with
>    development skills). Dominique did not reply to this offer.

Hmm, I don't remember seeing this offer. No matter.

Shutter also needs to be ported on the replacement of libgoocanvas-perl.

All in all, I guess that 2 or 3 weeks of full time work are required to port 
shutter to more recent libraries. I don't have that kind of free time.

Sadly, I think the only option left is to remove shutter from Debian.

All the best

Message #127 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org>

To: Dominique Dumont <dod@debian.org>

Cc: 870418@bugs.debian.org, Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@debian.org>, debian-perl@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#870418: How much longer should Shutter remain in sid?

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 10:15:50 +0800

Dominique Dumont:
> All in all, I guess that 2 or 3 weeks of full time work are required to port 
> shutter to more recent libraries.

Wow. I did not realize it was that big a project.

> Sadly, I think the only option left is to remove shutter from Debian.

OK. I'll file the removal requests today.

Cheers,
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Message #132 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org>

To: 870418@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#870418: How much longer should Shutter remain in sid?

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 10:30:28 +0800

intrigeri:
> OK. I'll file the removal requests today.

That's #904526.

Message #137 received at 870418@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@debian.org>

To: intrigeri@debian.org

Cc: domi.dumont@free.fr, 870418@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#870418: How much longer should Shutter remain in sid?

Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 21:25:12 -0400

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:32 PM intrigeri <intrigeri@debian.org> wrote:
> Jeremy, what's the plan wrt. obsolete GNOME libraries in sid?

It's a tedious process because it requires removing packages that some
maintainers aren't ready to let go of yet. For instance,
gnome-python's removal is blocked by python-sugar-toolkit.

I'm not actively working on completing the sid removals right now, so
maybe me or someone else will work on it more next year. (I mean it
could happen this year, but the longer the packages are not in
testing, the stronger the argument becomes for removing them from sid
too.)

Thanks,
Jeremy Bicha

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Cc: shutter@packages.debian.org

Subject: Bug#904526: Removed package(s) from unstable

Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 16:46:03 +0000

Version: 0.94-1+rm

Dear submitter,

as the package shutter has just been removed from the Debian archive
unstable we hereby close the associated bug reports.  We are sorry
that we couldn't deal with your issue properly.

For details on the removal, please see https://bugs.debian.org/904526

The version of this package that was in Debian prior to this removal
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