Debian Bug report logs - #1080154
meta-gnome3: revisit gnome-initial-setup vs. gnome-tour for new trixie installations

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: meta-gnome3: revisit gnome-initial-setup vs. gnome-tour for new trixie installations

Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 20:40:00 +0100

Source: meta-gnome3
Severity: normal
Tags: trixie sid

As discussed on
https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/meta-gnome3/-/merge_requests/12,
after GNOME 47 has reached testing, we should check on the situation of
gnome-initial-setup vs. gnome-tour.

gnome-initial-setup is really designed to be used on first-boot of a
freshly imaged computer, after running an installation that does not
include most of the questions that d-i asks, with the result that it
feels rather redundant to run it on first-login.

Is there anything that g-i-s does for us, that -tour would not?

    smcv

Message #14 received at 1080154@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jeremy Bícha <jeremy.bicha@canonical.com>

To: 1080154@bugs.debian.org, debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#1080154: meta-gnome3: revisit gnome-initial-setup vs. gnome-tour for new trixie installations

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 11:51:21 -0500

On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 3:42 PM Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> wrote:
> As discussed on
> https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/meta-gnome3/-/merge_requests/12,
> after GNOME 47 has reached testing, we should check on the situation of
> gnome-initial-setup vs. gnome-tour.
>
> gnome-initial-setup is really designed to be used on first-boot of a
> freshly imaged computer, after running an installation that does not
> include most of the questions that d-i asks, with the result that it
> feels rather redundant to run it on first-login.
>
> Is there anything that g-i-s does for us, that -tour would not?

Tour is basically only a slideshow app showing a few tips about how to
use GNOME. Personally, I felt like gnome-getting-started-docs did this
better.

Initial Setup in **existing user** mode currently shows these pages:
Welcome (Choose a Language)
Typing (Choose a keyboard layout or input method)
Privacy (Location Services, which is unhelpful with the
discontinuation of Mozilla Location Services this year but it only
controlled apps which respected this setting. This page was meant to
be hidden so we would need to update the code to do that for existing
user mode.)
All Done

Therefore, it is only useful for cases where the person who installed
Debian used a different language or keyboard layout or input method
than the user who logs in.

But there are more issues:
1. The selected language isn't being set correctly by default:
https://bugs.debian.org/1079691
2. The system admin needs to manually enable the additional languages.
My Debian Testing install only shows English (United States) for
language options, both here and in Settings > System > Region &
Language

GNOME Initial Setup was at least slightly more useful in Debian 12
"Bookworm" where we included it for all users for the first time (at
least one language "task" was using it earlier): Initial Setup
included an Online Accounts screen but this was removed with GNOME 46.

Debian is the only major distro to still use GNOME Initial Setup's
original existing user mode. It was disabled upstream in I think GNOME
40. Ubuntu also currently uses GNOME Initial Setup but heavily
modified and is expected to eventually use a custom app for this
instead.

The mode described by Simon earlier is **new user** mode. This
requires the distro to not already have a regular user configured
which could be done by OEMs but is not what you'd get by running a
typical Debian install. The OEMs would need to ensure appropriate
languages are available to be selected.

There is a third mode that Fedora has been working on in conjunction
with their next generation Web UI for Anaconda (which is not used by
the latest stable Fedora yet). The **live user** mode is similar to
how we've been using existing user mode. It only exists in a draft
merge request: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-initial-setup/-/merge_requests/200

So here's the proposal:
- Remove our gnome-initial-setup patch to re-enable existing user mode
- Keep gnome-initial-setup as a Recommends in case it helps OEMs
- Add GNOME Tour to gnome-core. I think Recommends is good so that
it's easy for admins to stop showing it for new users.

Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha

Message #19 received at 1080154@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org>

To: Jeremy Bícha <jeremy.bicha@canonical.com>, 1080154@bugs.debian.org

Cc: debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#1080154: meta-gnome3: revisit gnome-initial-setup vs. gnome-tour for new trixie installations

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:17:55 +0000

On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 at 11:51:21 -0500, Jeremy Bícha wrote:
> So here's the proposal:
> - Remove our gnome-initial-setup patch to re-enable existing user mode

+1 from me.

> - Keep gnome-initial-setup as a Recommends in case it helps OEMs

+0. Do we want it installed by default in d-i and live images even though
it isn't going to be used, or do we want to make it a Suggests and hope
that OEMs realise they can add it to their (presumably already lightly
customized) package set?

> - Add GNOME Tour to gnome-core. I think Recommends is good so that
> it's easy for admins to stop showing it for new users.

+1 from me.

    smcv

Message #24 received at 1080154@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jeremy Bícha <jeremy.bicha@canonical.com>

To: 1080154@bugs.debian.org, debian-gtk-gnome@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#1080154: meta-gnome3: revisit gnome-initial-setup vs. gnome-tour for new trixie installations

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 12:54:30 -0500

On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 12:18 PM Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> wrote:
> +0. Do we want it installed by default in d-i and live images even though
> it isn't going to be used, or do we want to make it a Suggests and hope
> that OEMs realise they can add it to their (presumably already lightly
> customized) package set?

One detail I only learned recently is that apt is configured to keep
otherwise obsolete packages installed if they are still listed as
Suggests when upgrading. I want to document this for our notes,
thinking of adding a debian/README.source to meta-gnome3.

Suggests sounds fine as a place to put things that are in upstream
gnome-core that we are excluding from our default install.

Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha

Message #27 received at 1080154-submitter@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jeremy Bícha <noreply@salsa.debian.org>

To: 1080154-submitter@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#1080154 marked as pending in gnome-initial-setup

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 18:00:18 +0000

Control: tag -1 pending

Hello,

Bug #1080154 in gnome-initial-setup reported by you has been fixed in the
Git repository and is awaiting an upload. You can see the commit
message below and you can check the diff of the fix at:

https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-initial-setup/-/commit/a48ef2594e0ff75ebeeb8066024932e22c166c47

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Remove patch that re-enabled "existing user" mode

The current pages are not useful to most users

Closes: #1080154

Gbp-Dch: Full
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(this message was generated automatically)
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Greetings

https://bugs.debian.org/1080154

Message #34 received at 1080154-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Debian FTP Masters <ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org>

To: 1080154-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#1080154: fixed in gnome-initial-setup 47.2-1

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 18:20:38 +0000

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Source: gnome-initial-setup
Source-Version: 47.2-1
Done: Jeremy Bícha <jbicha@ubuntu.com>

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
gnome-initial-setup, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 1080154@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Jeremy Bícha <jbicha@ubuntu.com> (supplier of updated gnome-initial-setup package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 12:59:33 -0500
Source: gnome-initial-setup
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers <pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Jeremy Bícha <jbicha@ubuntu.com>
Closes: 1058679 1080154
Changes:
 gnome-initial-setup (47.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Jeremy Bícha ]
   * New upstream release
   * Remove patch that re-enabled "existing user" mode.
     The current pages are not useful to most users (Closes: #1080154)
 .
   [ Dandan Zhang ]
   * Build parental controls feature for loong64 (Closes: #1058679)
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Message #39 received at 1080154-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Debian FTP Masters <ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org>

To: 1080154-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#1080154: fixed in meta-gnome3 1:47+4

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 18:52:32 +0000

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Source: meta-gnome3
Source-Version: 1:47+4
Done: Jeremy Bícha <jbicha@ubuntu.com>

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
meta-gnome3, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 1080154@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Jeremy Bícha <jbicha@ubuntu.com> (supplier of updated meta-gnome3 package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers <pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Jeremy Bícha <jbicha@ubuntu.com>
Closes: 1080154
Changes:
 meta-gnome3 (1:47+4) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * gnome-core: Recommend gnome-tour & demote gnome-initial-setup to Suggests
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