Debian Bug report logs - #1110689
gvfs-backends recommends wsdd which is not available in trixie

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Franck <franckr01@online.de>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: gvfs-backends recommends wsdd which is not available in trixie

Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2025 07:29:46 +0200

Package: gvfs-backends
X-Debbugs-Cc: franckr01@online.de
Version: 1.57.2-2
Severity: normal

Dear Maintainer,

Package gvfs-backends 1.57.2-2 in trixie recommends wsdd.
https://packages.debian.org/trixie/gvfs-backends

But wsdd is not available in trixie:
$ rmadison wsdd
wsdd       | 2:0.7.0-2.1   | oldstable  | source, all
wsdd       | 2:0.8-5       | unstable   | source, all
https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=wsdd

Recommending wsdd2 may be an alternative (I did not check if gvfs-backends works with it) ?
$ rmadison wsdd2
wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.1    | oldstable      | source, amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, i386, mips64el, mipsel, ppc64el, s390x
wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2    | stable         | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2    | testing        | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2    | unstable       | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, mips64el, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2    | unstable-debug | source
wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2+b1 | stable         | arm64
wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2+b1 | testing        | arm64
wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2+b1 | unstable       | arm64

Kind Regards,
Franck

Message #10 received at 1110689@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org>

To: 1110689@bugs.debian.org, Alessandro Astone <alessandro.astone@canonical.com>

Cc: wsdd@packages.debian.org, wsdd2@packages.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#1110689: gvfs-backends recommends wsdd which is not available in trixie

Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2025 15:27:21 +0100

On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 at 07:29:46 +0200, Franck wrote:
>Package gvfs-backends 1.57.2-2 in trixie recommends wsdd.
>https://packages.debian.org/trixie/gvfs-backends
>
>But wsdd is not available in trixie:
>$ rmadison wsdd
>wsdd       | 2:0.7.0-2.1   | oldstable  | source, all
>wsdd       | 2:0.8-5       | unstable   | source, all
>https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=wsdd
>
>Recommending wsdd2 may be an alternative (I did not check if gvfs-backends works with it) ?
>$ rmadison wsdd2
>wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.1    | oldstable      | source, amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, i386, mips64el, mipsel, ppc64el, s390x
>wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2    | stable         | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
>wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2    | testing        | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
>wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2    | unstable       | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, mips64el, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
>wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2    | unstable-debug | source
>wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2+b1 | stable         | arm64
>wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2+b1 | testing        | arm64
>wsdd2      | 1.8.7+dfsg-1.2+b1 | unstable       | arm64

As per https://launchpad.net/bugs/2081735 wsdd appears to be used to 
browse SMB/CIFS shared drives from Windows 10 or later, but I don't have 
Windows servers on my LAN, so I can't really test this functionality.

Alessandro, you fixed LP#2081735 - do you know whether wsdd2 is 
sufficient API-compatible that gvfs can use it? I'm not sure I 
understand the relationship between wsdd and wsdd2, or their maintenance 
status - from their Homepage fields it seems like they might be 
completely unrelated projects with confusingly similar names?

Strictly speaking, an unsatisfiable Recommends is a Policy violation 
(§2.2.1) so if nothing else gvfs-daemons' Recommends should be reduced 
to a Suggests at least in trixie, assuming the stable release managers 
don't want to add wsdd in 13.1.

wsdd was only a Suggests for several months, and browsing network 
shares doesn't seem like crucial functionality to me, more like a 
nice-to-have. Perhaps gvfs-backends could have it as a Suggests, and 
some larger metapackage like gnome or ubuntu-desktop could elevate that 
to Recommends if desired?

    smcv

Message #15 received at 1110689@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Alessandro Astone <alessandro.astone@canonical.com>

To: Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org>, 1110689@bugs.debian.org

Cc: wsdd@packages.debian.org, wsdd2@packages.debian.org, Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@ubuntu.com>

Subject: Re: Bug#1110689: gvfs-backends recommends wsdd which is not available in trixie

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2025 17:28:05 +0200

On 10/08/2025 16:27, Simon McVittie wrote:
> Alessandro, you fixed LP#2081735 - do you know whether wsdd2 is 
> sufficient API-compatible that gvfs can use it? I'm not sure I 
> understand the relationship between wsdd and wsdd2, or their maintenance 
> status - from their Homepage fields it seems like they might be 
> completely unrelated projects with confusingly similar names?
> 

No, the two projects are completely independent and have different 
interfaces.
The gvfs integration is specifically for the christgau/wsdd project.

> Strictly speaking, an unsatisfiable Recommends is a Policy violation 
> (§2.2.1) so if nothing else gvfs-daemons' Recommends should be reduced 
> to a Suggests at least in trixie, assuming the stable release managers 
> don't want to add wsdd in 13.1.
> 
> wsdd was only a Suggests for several months, and browsing network shares 
> doesn't seem like crucial functionality to me, more like a nice-to-have. 
> Perhaps gvfs-backends could have it as a Suggests, and some larger 
> metapackage like gnome or ubuntu-desktop could elevate that to 
> Recommends if desired?
> 
>      smcv

Yeah sounds good to me. Feel free to upload that change to debian.

Message #18 received at 1110689-submitter@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Simon McVittie <noreply@salsa.debian.org>

To: 1110689-submitter@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#1110689 marked as pending in gvfs

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 11:05:10 +0000

Control: tag -1 pending

Hello,

Bug #1110689 in gvfs reported by you has been fixed in the
Git repository and is awaiting an upload. You can see the commit
message below and you can check the diff of the fix at:

https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gvfs/-/commit/a4189c08708e384db79c13fb3c26336077cf66fc

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d/control: Demote wsdd to Suggests

It wasn't released in trixie (but will hopefully be in forky) and is
required for non-essential functionality (browsing SMB/CIFS shares
exported by newer versions of Windows that no longer use NMB). If a
particular desktop environment wants this functionality as a higher
priority, pulling in wsdd via a desktop metapackage like ubuntu-desktop
or gnome seems more proportionate.

Closes: #1110689
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Greetings

https://bugs.debian.org/1110689

Message #25 received at 1110689-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Debian FTP Masters <ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org>

To: 1110689-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#1110689: fixed in gvfs 1.57.2-3

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 11:10:11 +0000

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Source: gvfs
Source-Version: 1.57.2-3
Done: Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org>

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
gvfs, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 1110689@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> (supplier of updated gvfs package)

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Format: 1.8
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 10:24:40 +0100
Source: gvfs
Architecture: source
Version: 1.57.2-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers <pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org>
Closes: 1020399 1110399 1110689
Changes:
 gvfs (1.57.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Team upload
 .
   [ Bastian Germann ]
   * gvfs-backends: Drop google backend.
     This relies on libgdata, which is de facto unmaintained upstream, still
     depends on libsoup2.4, and is likely to be removed from forky.
     (Closes: #1110399)
 .
   [ Simon McVittie ]
   * d/control: Demote wsdd to Suggests.
     It wasn't released in trixie (but will hopefully be in forky) and is
     required for non-essential functionality (browsing SMB/CIFS shares
     exported by newer versions of Windows that no longer use NMB). If
     a particular desktop environment wants this functionality as a
     higher priority, pulling in wsdd via a desktop metapackage like
     ubuntu-desktop or gnome seems more proportionate.
     (Closes: #1110689)
   * d/control: gvfs-backends Suggests openssh-client, for sftp://
     (Closes: #1020399)
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Message #30 received at 1110689@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@ubuntu.com>

To: debian-release@lists.debian.org

Cc: Matt Grant <matt@mattgrant.net.nz>, Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org>, 1110689@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Backporting wsdd to trixie-backports from sid

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 21:25:05 -0400

On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 2:15 AM Matt Grant <matt@mattgrant.net.nz> wrote:
> As described below, unfortunately wsdd missed being in Trixie due to my business with a house build and move. As below, Noah said it would be preferable that wsdd be included in the Trixie 13.1 point release.
>
> It's required for publishing Samba servers to Windows 10 plus on the same LAN, and for Gnome 48 SMB share browsing functionality on a 'Windows' LAN, and a lot of Debian derivative distributions would be wanting to add it back in.

On behalf of the Debian GNOME team, I also request that wsdd be added
to Trixie. gvfs-backends has Recommends: wsdd.

The RC bug that got wsdd removed on May 12 was
https://bugs.debian.org/1100767 . I noticed the bug at one point while
looking at RC bugs but then forgot about the bug. The Debian GNOME
team did not notice the package's removal until
https://bugs.debian.org/1110689 was filed; otherwise, we might have
removed the Recommends since I believe it is technically a violation
of Debian Policy § 2.2.1 for a package in main to recommend a package
that isn't in main.

https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#the-main-archive-area

Thank you,
Jeremy BÍcha

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