Debian Bug report logs - #98436
alt tags don't show

Package: mozilla-browser; Maintainer for mozilla-browser is (unknown);

Reported by: Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>

Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:48:16 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Done: Takuo KITAME <kitame@northeye.org>

Bug is archived. No further changes may be made.

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Report forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Frank Belew (Myth) <frb@debian.org>:
Bug#98436; Package mozilla. (full text, mbox, link).

Acknowledgement sent to Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>:
New Bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to Frank Belew (Myth) <frb@debian.org>. (full text, mbox, link).

Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

Package: mozilla
Version: M18-3
Severity: normal

When you mouse over images in Mozilla, the alt tag doesn't appear as it
should.

-- System Information
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Kernel Version: Linux ursine 2.4.4 #1 Tue May 8 15:26:21 PDT 2001 i686 unknown

Versions of the packages mozilla depends on:
ii  libc6          2.2.3-1        GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
ii  libglib1.2     1.2.10-1.1     The GLib library of C routines
ii  libgtk1.2      1.2.10-1       The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X
ii  libjpeg62      6b-1.3         The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime li
ii  libnspr4       M18-3          Netscape Portable Runtime library
ii  libpng2        1.0.11-1       PNG library - runtime
ii  libstdc++2.10  2.95.2-13      The GNU stdc++ library
ii  xlib6g         4.0.3-3        pseudopackage providing X libraries
ii  zlib1g         1.1.3-15       compression library - runtime
	^^^ (Provides virtual package libz1)
ii  xbase-clients  4.0.3-3        miscellaneous X clients
	^^^ (Provides virtual package xcontrib)

Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Frank Belew (Myth) <frb@debian.org>:
Bug#98436; Package mozilla. (full text, mbox, link).

Acknowledgement sent to Steve Greenland <steveg@moregruel.net>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Frank Belew (Myth) <frb@debian.org>. (full text, mbox, link).

Message #10 received at 98436@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

It's not supposed to display. The purpose of the ALT attribute is to 
specify text that is displayed *instead* of the image, for people 
using text browsers or with image loading turned off. Thus the term
"alternate".

If you want a caption/tooltip/whatever to pop up when someone mouses
over the image, the correct attribute is TITLE.

See http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/special/img.html
http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/attrs.html for more info.

(Yes, I know some browsers render ALT this way. That doesn't make it
correct.)

Steve

-- 
steveg@moregruel.net

Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Frank Belew (Myth) <frb@debian.org>:
Bug#98436; Package mozilla. (full text, mbox, link).

Acknowledgement sent to Paul 'Baloo' Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Frank Belew (Myth) <frb@debian.org>. (full text, mbox, link).

Message #15 received at 98436@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

Perhaps this should be an option to be enabled in preference
someplace.  Maybe "Show alt tags" and "Give title tags precidence (correct
word?)" options?

Baloo

Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Frank Belew (Myth) <frb@debian.org>:
Bug#98436; Package mozilla. (full text, mbox, link).

Acknowledgement sent to Steve Greenland <steveg@moregruel.net>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Frank Belew (Myth) <frb@debian.org>. (full text, mbox, link).

Message #20 received at 98436@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

> Perhaps this should be an option to be enabled in preference
> someplace.  Maybe "Show alt tags" and "Give title tags precidence
> (correct word?)" options?

There already is, it's just a little hard to find:

Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Images and select "Do not load any images".
This will show the ALT attributes.

:-)

Seriously: Using the ALT attribute to do tooltips/captions is a misuse
of the attribute. Read http://www.htmlhelp.com/feature/art3.htm about
correct use of ALT . The short summary is that ALT is there for people
who cannot see the image. A correct ALT text is unlikely to be a
suitable TITLE. Providing the option you propose just encourages further
misuse.

Steve

-- 
steveg@moregruel.net

Severity set to `wishlist'. Request was from Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr> to control@bugs.debian.org. (full text, mbox, link).

Bug reassigned from package `mozilla' to `mozilla-browser'. Request was from Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr> to control@bugs.debian.org. (full text, mbox, link).

Reply sent to Takuo KITAME <kitame@northeye.org>:
You have taken responsibility. (full text, mbox, link).

Notification sent to Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>:
Bug acknowledged by developer. (full text, mbox, link).

Message #29 received at 98436-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

I've checked with following HTML.

<html>
<body>
<img width="100" height="100" alt="foo" src="bar.png">
</body>
</html>

Browser shows "foo".

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Debian Bug report logs - #98436 alt tags don't show

Debian Bug report logs - #98436
alt tags don't show