Debian Bug report logs - #941998
UsrMerge breaks cruft

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Harry Haller <odysseus24@mailbox.org>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: cruft: does not work at alll

Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 21:29:03 +0200

Package: cruft
Version: 0.9.38
Severity: normal

Dear Maintainer !


I think, it's apparent, that cruft does not work at all...
Most of the results are completely incorrect. Especially the "missing"-Section
has no valid contents in ponderabel extents - but also the
"unexplained"-section. Once again I have here - on two fresh dist-upgraded
systems - many thousands of missing files. Is it prepared for the package
"usrmerge" ? No need to mention, that most of the "missing" files all exist and
the
"unexplained" files are registered by dpkg...

My call of cruft:
#cruft --ignore "/root /home /mnt /proc /sys /Dummy /Schafott /Pax /dev
/lost+found /opt /run /srv /tmp" -r ~/Cruft.report

Whatever... Sorry, but in most of the debian-doks (especially the release-notes
of each stable-release since many years) there are prominent recommendations to
use this application (cruft & cruft-common). Since more than 10 years (felt)
the debian-users waste their lifetime with this - at best - "sid"-package.
Nothing justifies, that cruft finds it's way always into whatever is stable at
the moment.

Please be consequent and kick it out of the stable releases until it works
(some day in a distant future)...


Best Regards
Harry Haller



-- System Information:
Debian Release: 10.1
  APT prefers stable-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 4.19.0-6-686-pae (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: LC_ALL
set to de_DE.UTF-8), LANGUAGE=de (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: LC_ALL set to
de_DE.UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/bash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled

Versions of packages cruft depends on:
ii  cruft-common  0.9.38
ii  file          1:5.35-4
ii  libc6         2.28-10

cruft recommends no packages.

Versions of packages cruft suggests:
ii  bsd-mailx [mailx]  8.1.2-0.20180807cvs-1
pn  cruft-ng           <none>

Message #10 received at 941998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com>

To: Harry Haller <odysseus24@mailbox.org>, 941998@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#941998: cruft: does not work at alll

Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:31:17 +0200

Hi,

> Is it prepared for the package "usrmerge"

Not at all, and I don't plan to dig into the "cruft" engine to make it happen.

I liked the idea behind cruft, that each file of a filesystem should
be accounted
to some package; but definitively not the original engine.

That's why I wrote cruft-ng, give it a try.
This one is UsrMerge compatible.

Is a "Breaks: cruft" in usrmerge package enough to please you ?

It is lowest hanging fruit; there's certainly still much to do.
Still hoping that one day much of "cruft" functionality
would be merged into packages&dpkg.

The cruft-common package shared accros cruft & cruft-ng with the
definitions wil remain.

Le mar. 8 oct. 2019 à 21:33, Harry Haller <odysseus24@mailbox.org> a écrit :
> My call of cruft:
> #cruft --ignore "/root /home /mnt /proc /sys /Dummy /Schafott /Pax /dev
> /lost+found /opt /run /srv /tmp" -r ~/Cruft.report

Sorry but not all of this has been re-implemented yet in cruft-ng;
but the defaults are better (always ignore /sys /root /home /tmp)
and most are inherited from "mlocate" database.

> Since more than 10 years (felt) the debian-users waste their lifetime
> with this - at best - "sid"-package.
> Nothing justifies, that cruft finds it's way always into whatever is stable at
> the moment.
>
> Please be consequent and kick it out of the stable releases until it works
> (some day in a distant future)...

One could remove the "cruft" binary package and I wouldn't be the one
to complain;
as long a "cruft-common" is still built.

I need more feedback.

Greetings

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Message #21 received at 941998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>

To: 941998@bugs.debian.org

Cc: alexandre.detiste@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Bug#941998: cruft: does not work at alll

Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 13:18:48 +0100

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On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:31:17 +0200 Alexandre Detiste
<alexandre.detiste@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > Is it prepared for the package "usrmerge"
> 
> Not at all, and I don't plan to dig into the "cruft" engine to make
it happen.
> 
> I liked the idea behind cruft, that each file of a filesystem should
> be accounted
> to some package; but definitively not the original engine.
> 
> That's why I wrote cruft-ng, give it a try.
> This one is UsrMerge compatible.
> 
> Is a "Breaks: cruft" in usrmerge package enough to please you ?
> 
> It is lowest hanging fruit; there's certainly still much to do.
> Still hoping that one day much of "cruft" functionality
> would be merged into packages&dpkg.
> 
> The cruft-common package shared accros cruft & cruft-ng with the
> definitions wil remain.
> 
> Le mar. 8 oct. 2019 à 21:33, Harry Haller <odysseus24@mailbox.org> a
écrit :
> > My call of cruft:
> > #cruft --ignore "/root /home /mnt /proc /sys /Dummy /Schafott /Pax
/dev
> > /lost+found /opt /run /srv /tmp" -r ~/Cruft.report
> 
> Sorry but not all of this has been re-implemented yet in cruft-ng;
> but the defaults are better (always ignore /sys /root /home /tmp)
> and most are inherited from "mlocate" database.
> 
> > Since more than 10 years (felt) the debian-users waste their
lifetime
> > with this - at best - "sid"-package.
> > Nothing justifies, that cruft finds it's way always into whatever
is stable at
> > the moment.
> >
> > Please be consequent and kick it out of the stable releases until
it works
> > (some day in a distant future)...
> 
> One could remove the "cruft" binary package and I wouldn't be the one
> to complain;
> as long a "cruft-common" is still built.
> 
> I need more feedback.

Hello Alexandre,

With the usrmerge transition happening [0] we should revisit this.
Specifically, there's a failure case with aptitude:

# aptitude upgrade
Resolving dependencies...                
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  usr-is-merged{a} 
The following packages will be upgraded:
  init-system-helpers 
1 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B/54.5 kB of archives. After unpacking 12.3 kB will be
used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n
Abort.
root@luca-desktop:/tmp# aptitude dist-upgrade
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  usr-is-merged{a} 
The following packages will be upgraded:
  init-system-helpers 
1 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.


This happens because usrmerge conflicts with cruft, in case it is
installed manually. This is the wrong thing, as usr-is-merged simply
attests that the system is converted, so the upgrade will fail.
We could add a conflict in usr-is-merged as well, but that effectively
makes cruft uninstallable anywhere.

So, how about doing as you suggested and dropping the cruft binary
package? Or maybe make it a transitional metapackage, and then we can
make the conflict in usrmerge versioned? What do you think?

[0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2022/09/msg00001.html

-- 
Kind regards,
Luca Boccassi

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Message #26 received at 941998-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com>

To: 941998-close@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>

Subject: Re: UsrMerge breaks cruft

Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 16:16:40 +0200

Version: 0.9.44

cruft is now a transitional package that pulls
cruft-ng which is Usrmerge aware.

Matching merge-request has been submitted
to UsrMerge repository on Salsa:

https://salsa.debian.org/md/usrmerge/-/merge_requests/11

Greetings,

Alexandre Detiste

Message #45 received at 941998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>

To: Alexandre Detiste <alexandre.detiste@gmail.com>, 941998@bugs.debian.org

Cc: md@linux.it

Subject: Re: UsrMerge breaks cruft

Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 19:15:00 +0100

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On Sun, 2022-10-02 at 16:16 +0200, Alexandre Detiste wrote:
> Version: 0.9.44
> 
> cruft is now a transitional package that pulls
> cruft-ng which is Usrmerge aware.
> 
> Matching merge-request has been submitted
> to UsrMerge repository on Salsa:
> 
> https://salsa.debian.org/md/usrmerge/-/merge_requests/11

Thank you!

-- 
Kind regards,
Luca Boccassi

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