Debian Bug report logs - #847998
manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 00:44:24 +0100

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Package: manpages
Version: 4.09-1
Severity: serious

manpages fails to install because it shares tmpfs(5) with initscripts:

dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-7sSPgR/26-manpages_4.09-1_all.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man5/tmpfs.5.gz', which is also in package initscripts 2.88dsf-59.8
dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)

Cheers

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Message #10 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>

To: 847998@bugs.debian.org, Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org>

Subject: Re: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:49:46 +0100

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On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 00:44:24 +0100 Sebastian Ramacher
<sramacher@debian.org> wrote:
> Package: manpages
> Version: 4.09-1
> Severity: serious
> 
> manpages fails to install because it shares tmpfs(5) with initscripts:
> 
> dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-7sSPgR/26-manpages_4.09-1_all.deb (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man5/tmpfs.5.gz', which is also in package initscripts 2.88dsf-59.8
> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)


The tmpfs man page shipped by the manpages package talks about the tmpfs
file system.
The man page shipped by initscripts talks about the debian/initscripts
specific config file /etc/default/tmpfs.

My gut feeling is, that debian specific tmpfs man page should be renamed.

Regards,
Michael

P.S: Sebastian, as you are using stretch/sid ans systemd, you can safely
purge the initscripts package (along with sysv-rc, insserv and startpar)

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Message #15 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>

To: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>

Cc: 847998@bugs.debian.org, Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org>, initscripts@packages.debian.org, manpages@packages.debian.org

Subject: Re: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:00:56 +0100 (CET)

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016, Michael Biebl wrote:

> The tmpfs man page shipped by the manpages package talks about the tmpfs
> file system.
> The man page shipped by initscripts talks about the debian/initscripts
> specific config file /etc/default/tmpfs.
>
> My gut feeling is, that debian specific tmpfs man page should be renamed.

From the usual unix policy stuff:

The manpage about /etc/default/tmpfs can be tmpfs(5) as it
covers a configuration file.

The manpage about the Linux tmpfs should be tmpfs(9) as it
covers a kernel concept (here: a filesystem).

Thanks,
//mirabilos
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Message #20 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

To: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>, 847998@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>, Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org>, initscripts@packages.debian.org, manpages@packages.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:40:48 +0100

Upstream man-pages maintainer here; I just added tmpfs(5), unaware
that it would create a conflict for Debian; I assume the conflicting
page is Debian-specific(?). (I don't have such a page on my Fedora
system.)

On 13 December 2016 at 10:00, Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016, Michael Biebl wrote:
>
>> The tmpfs man page shipped by the manpages package talks about the tmpfs
>> file system.
>> The man page shipped by initscripts talks about the debian/initscripts
>> specific config file /etc/default/tmpfs.
>>
>> My gut feeling is, that debian specific tmpfs man page should be renamed.
>
> From the usual unix policy stuff:
>
> The manpage about /etc/default/tmpfs can be tmpfs(5) as it
> covers a configuration file.
>
> The manpage about the Linux tmpfs should be tmpfs(9) as it
> covers a kernel concept (here: a filesystem).

Not sure where this idea originates. There is no Section 9 on Linux.
And there's certainly precedent for section 5 pages on filesystems.
For example, among others, we have ext4(5), btrfs(5), and nfs(5).

I'm not sure what the best path forward here is.

Cheers,

Michael

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Message #25 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>

To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

Cc: 847998@bugs.debian.org, Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>, Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org>, initscripts@packages.debian.org, manpages@packages.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:43:49 +0100 (CET)

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:

> Upstream man-pages maintainer here; I just added tmpfs(5), unaware
> that it would create a conflict for Debian; I assume the conflicting
> page is Debian-specific(?). (I don't have such a page on my Fedora

Yes.

> > The manpage about the Linux tmpfs should be tmpfs(9) as it
> > covers a kernel concept (here: a filesystem).
> 
> Not sure where this idea originates. There is no Section 9 on Linux.

Ah, hmm, too bad then. We have them on BSD.

> And there's certainly precedent for section 5 pages on filesystems.
> For example, among others, we have ext4(5), btrfs(5), and nfs(5).

But section 5 is for configuration files. You could move them
to section 7 (general concepts), though.

Just collecting ideas, currently.

bye,
//mirabilos
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Message #30 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Dr. Tobias Quathamer" <toddy@debian.org>

To: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>,847998@bugs.debian.org,Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:46:35 +0100

Am 13. Dezember 2016 04:49:46 MEZ, schrieb Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>:
>On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 00:44:24 +0100 Sebastian Ramacher
><sramacher@debian.org> wrote:
>> Package: manpages
>> Version: 4.09-1
>> Severity: serious
>> 
>> manpages fails to install because it shares tmpfs(5) with
>initscripts:
>> 
>> dpkg: error processing archive
>/tmp/apt-dpkg-install-7sSPgR/26-manpages_4.09-1_all.deb (--unpack):
>>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man5/tmpfs.5.gz', which is also
>in package initscripts 2.88dsf-59.8
>> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
>
>
>The tmpfs man page shipped by the manpages package talks about the
>tmpfs
>file system.
>The man page shipped by initscripts talks about the debian/initscripts
>specific config file /etc/default/tmpfs.
>
>My gut feeling is, that debian specific tmpfs man page should be
>renamed.
>
>Regards,
>Michael
>
>P.S: Sebastian, as you are using stretch/sid ans systemd, you can
>safely
>purge the initscripts package (along with sysv-rc, insserv and
>startpar)

Control: tag -1 pending

Hi,

thanks for the bug report. I'll take care of this in a couple of hours.

Regards,
Tobias

Message #35 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

To: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>

Cc: 847998@bugs.debian.org, Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>, Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org>, initscripts@packages.debian.org, manpages@packages.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:51:26 +0100

Hello Thorsten,

On 13 December 2016 at 10:43, Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>
>> Upstream man-pages maintainer here; I just added tmpfs(5), unaware
>> that it would create a conflict for Debian; I assume the conflicting
>> page is Debian-specific(?). (I don't have such a page on my Fedora
>
> Yes.

Thanks for the confirmation.

>> > The manpage about the Linux tmpfs should be tmpfs(9) as it
>> > covers a kernel concept (here: a filesystem).
>>
>> Not sure where this idea originates. There is no Section 9 on Linux.
>
> Ah, hmm, too bad then. We have them on BSD.

(Yes.)

>
>> And there's certainly precedent for section 5 pages on filesystems.
>> For example, among others, we have ext4(5), btrfs(5), and nfs(5).
>
> But section 5 is for configuration files. You could move them
> to section 7 (general concepts), though.

I can't move "them" as they come from diverse projects (nfs-utils,
e2fsprogs, btrfs-progs). Obviously, various projects came to the same
conclusion (or copied each other's idea) that Section 5 was the right
place. And in the Linux man-pages we also have filesystems(5) and
proc(5), for example.

Cheers,

Michael

Message #40 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>

To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

Cc: 847998@bugs.debian.org, Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>, Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org>, initscripts@packages.debian.org, manpages@packages.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:56:30 +0100 (CET)

On Tue, 13 Dec 2016, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:

> I can't move "them" as they come from diverse projects (nfs-utils,

OK.

> e2fsprogs, btrfs-progs). Obviously, various projects came to the same
> conclusion (or copied each other's idea) that Section 5 was the right
> place. And in the Linux man-pages we also have filesystems(5) and
> proc(5), for example.

So, we could temporarily not ship the Debian-specific manpage, while
suggesting to the various projects mentioned that section 5 may not
have been the best place for it. (Again, just collecting suggestions,
not deciding things for anyone ;-)

If there is no hard policy against section 9 I’d like to have
kernel-specific stuff there, otherwise I think section 7 is at
least more appropriate than section 5 – or section 4, possibly,
but that’s “device drivers” on BSD so it doesn’t feel fully
right either, but at least it’s kernel land, whereas 7 is more
general.

bye,
//mirabilos
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Message #45 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

To: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>

Cc: 847998@bugs.debian.org, Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>, Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org>, initscripts@packages.debian.org, manpages@packages.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:58:06 +0100

>>> And there's certainly precedent for section 5 pages on filesystems.
>>> For example, among others, we have ext4(5), btrfs(5), and nfs(5).
>>
>> But section 5 is for configuration files. You could move them
>> to section 7 (general concepts), though.
>
> I can't move "them" as they come from diverse projects (nfs-utils,
> e2fsprogs, btrfs-progs). Obviously, various projects came to the same
> conclusion (or copied each other's idea) that Section 5 was the right
> place. And in the Linux man-pages we also have filesystems(5) and
> proc(5), for example.

Actually, other operating systems also seemed to come to the same
conclusion. For FreeBSD, I see the following in Section 5:

$ ls -1 *fs.5
autofs.5
devfs.5
ext2fs.5
fdescfs.5
fs.5
linprocfs.5
linsysfs.5
mqueuefs.5
msdosfs.5
nandfs.5
nullfs.5
procfs.5
tmpfs.5

Note the last!

Cheers,

Michael



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Message #50 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

To: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>

Cc: 847998@bugs.debian.org, Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>, Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org>, initscripts@packages.debian.org, manpages@packages.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:00:00 +0100

On 13 December 2016 at 10:56, Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>
>> I can't move "them" as they come from diverse projects (nfs-utils,
>
> OK.
>
>> e2fsprogs, btrfs-progs). Obviously, various projects came to the same
>> conclusion (or copied each other's idea) that Section 5 was the right
>> place. And in the Linux man-pages we also have filesystems(5) and
>> proc(5), for example.
>
> So, we could temporarily not ship the Debian-specific manpage, while
> suggesting to the various projects mentioned that section 5 may not
> have been the best place for it. (Again, just collecting suggestions,
> not deciding things for anyone ;-)
>
> If there is no hard policy against section 9 I’d like to have
> kernel-specific stuff there,

This would be Debian-specific then?

> otherwise I think section 7 is at
> least more appropriate than section 5 – or section 4, possibly,
> but that’s “device drivers” on BSD so it doesn’t feel fully
> right either, but at least it’s kernel land, whereas 7 is more
> general.

See my other reply. (FreeBSD) follows the same convention here as Linux...

Cheers,

Michael




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Message #65 received at 847998-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: toddy@debian.org (Dr. Tobias Quathamer)

To: 847998-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#847998: fixed in manpages 4.09-2

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:48:53 +0000

Source: manpages
Source-Version: 4.09-2

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
manpages, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 847998@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Dr. Tobias Quathamer <toddy@debian.org> (supplier of updated manpages package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
administrators by mailing ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org)


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Message #86 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org>

To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

Cc: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>, 847998@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:37:05 +0100

Hi,

Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> > Upstream man-pages maintainer here; I just added tmpfs(5), unaware
> > that it would create a conflict for Debian; I assume the conflicting
> > page is Debian-specific(?). (I don't have such a page on my Fedora
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > > The manpage about the Linux tmpfs should be tmpfs(9) as it
> > > covers a kernel concept (here: a filesystem).
> > 
> > Not sure where this idea originates. There is no Section 9 on Linux.
> 
> Ah, hmm, too bad then. We have them on BSD.

At least "man man" (aka man(1)) on Debian says:

       9   Kernel routines [Non standard]

The according file comes from the package man-db.

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Message #91 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>

To: Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org>

Cc: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>, 847998@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:40:46 +0100 (CET)

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016, Axel Beckert wrote:

> > > > The manpage about the Linux tmpfs should be tmpfs(9) as it
> > > > covers a kernel concept (here: a filesystem).
> > > 
> > > Not sure where this idea originates. There is no Section 9 on Linux.
> > 
> > Ah, hmm, too bad then. We have them on BSD.
> 
> At least "man man" (aka man(1)) on Debian says:
> 
>        9   Kernel routines [Non standard]
> 
> The according file comes from the package man-db.

Hmm. So we could conceivably move the manpage about the
tmpfs filesystem to section 9 as a Debian-local patch
(since upstream appears to prefer to not have such a
section), and then all will be good™.

bye,
//mirabilos
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Message #96 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

To: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>, Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org>

Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, 847998@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:48:17 +0100

On 12/16/2016 02:40 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2016, Axel Beckert wrote:
> 
>>>>> The manpage about the Linux tmpfs should be tmpfs(9) as it
>>>>> covers a kernel concept (here: a filesystem).
>>>>
>>>> Not sure where this idea originates. There is no Section 9 on Linux.
>>>
>>> Ah, hmm, too bad then. We have them on BSD.
>>
>> At least "man man" (aka man(1)) on Debian says:
>>
>>        9   Kernel routines [Non standard]
>>
>> The according file comes from the package man-db.
> 
> Hmm. So we could conceivably move the manpage about the
> tmpfs filesystem to section 9 as a Debian-local patch
> (since upstream appears to prefer to not have such a
> section), and then all will be good™.

Is there already something in Section 9 on Debian?


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Message #101 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

To: Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org>, 847998@bugs.debian.org

Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>

Subject: Re: Bug#847998: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:52:05 +0100

On 12/16/2016 02:37 PM, Axel Beckert wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Thorsten Glaser wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2016, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>>> Upstream man-pages maintainer here; I just added tmpfs(5), unaware
>>> that it would create a conflict for Debian; I assume the conflicting
>>> page is Debian-specific(?). (I don't have such a page on my Fedora
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>>> The manpage about the Linux tmpfs should be tmpfs(9) as it
>>>> covers a kernel concept (here: a filesystem).
>>>
>>> Not sure where this idea originates. There is no Section 9 on Linux.
>>
>> Ah, hmm, too bad then. We have them on BSD.
> 
> At least "man man" (aka man(1)) on Debian says:
> 
>        9   Kernel routines [Non standard]

That doesn't document (upstream) reality though. Once upon a time,
there were one or two Section 9 pages in the man-pages
project. No one updated them or added new one in > 15 years,
and I deleted them years ago, as being out-of-date and useless.

-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

Message #106 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>

To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

Cc: Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org>, 847998@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#847998: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:53:55 +0100 (CET)

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:

> That doesn't document (upstream) reality though. Once upon a time,
> there were one or two Section 9 pages in the man-pages
> project. No one updated them or added new one in > 15 years,
> and I deleted them years ago, as being out-of-date and useless.

This is not a reason against restarting this section, though.

bye,
//mirabilos
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Message #111 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

To: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>

Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org>, 847998@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#847998: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:00:56 +0100

On 12/16/2016 02:53 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2016, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> 
>> That doesn't document (upstream) reality though. Once upon a time,
>> there were one or two Section 9 pages in the man-pages
>> project. No one updated them or added new one in > 15 years,
>> and I deleted them years ago, as being out-of-date and useless.
> 
> This is not a reason against restarting this section, though.

There is no-one who will work on it. 

And, related to the current discussion, the Debian tmpfs-config
would not belong in that section.


-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

Message #116 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>

To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

Cc: Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org>, 847998@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#847998: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:36:39 +0100 (CET)

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:

> On 12/16/2016 02:53 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2016, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> > 
> >> That doesn't document (upstream) reality though. Once upon a time,
> >> there were one or two Section 9 pages in the man-pages
> >> project. No one updated them or added new one in > 15 years,
> >> and I deleted them years ago, as being out-of-date and useless.
> > 
> > This is not a reason against restarting this section, though.
> 
> There is no-one who will work on it. 

Excuse me for reading this as your statement being “I won’t work on it”
but you cannot say that “no-one” will. For example, if the Debian
maintainer of those manual pages considers this a good idea, they
are free to work on this. One manpage at a time is good enough.

> And, related to the current discussion, the Debian tmpfs-config
> would not belong in that section.

Of course not. I stated something quite different:

> > Hmm. So we could conceivably move the manpage about the
> > tmpfs filesystem to section 9 as a Debian-local patch

This one would be correct. The configuration file manpage can
be kept in section 5 then.

bye,
//mirabilos
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Message #121 received at 847998@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>

To: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>

Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org>, 847998@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#847998: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Bug#847998: manpages: file conflicts with initscripts

Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:52:08 +0100

Hello Thorsten,

On 12/16/2016 03:36 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2016, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> 
>> On 12/16/2016 02:53 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2016, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>>>
>>>> That doesn't document (upstream) reality though. Once upon a time,
>>>> there were one or two Section 9 pages in the man-pages
>>>> project. No one updated them or added new one in > 15 years,
>>>> and I deleted them years ago, as being out-of-date and useless.
>>>
>>> This is not a reason against restarting this section, though.
>>
>> There is no-one who will work on it. 
> 
> Excuse me for reading this as your statement being “I won’t work on it”

(Yep, it's true. Too much else to do, even if it would be interesting.)

> but you cannot say that “no-one” will. 

Yes, it's merely my prediction.

> For example, if the Debian
> maintainer of those manual pages considers this a good idea, they
> are free to work on this. One manpage at a time is good enough.

Sure. I just don't expect someone to step forward for that
task.

>> And, related to the current discussion, the Debian tmpfs-config
>> would not belong in that section.
> 
> Of course not. I stated something quite different:

I misunderstood.

>>> Hmm. So we could conceivably move the manpage about the
>>> tmpfs filesystem to section 9 as a Debian-local patch

But the same statement applies. The tmpfs filesystem page also
does not belong in section 9...

Have a good weekend!

Cheers,

Michael




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Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

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