Debian Bug report logs - #837926
debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Harshula <harshula@debian.org>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Christian Perrier <bubulle@debian.org>

Subject: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 00:51:28 +1000

Package: debian-installer
Version: 20160630
Severity: important

Please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

The LKLUG font is viewed as deprecated and we've been trying to
encourage other fonts that can succeed as the default Sinhala font on
GNU/Linux.

At this stage the Noto Sinhala range, in fonts-noto-hinted, is a more
appropriate default font than LKLUG.

See the discussion here:
http://sourceforge.net/p/sinhala/mailman/message/34481529/

$ apt-cache rdepends fonts-lklug-sinhala
fonts-lklug-sinhala
Reverse Depends:
  task-sinhala-desktop

$ dpkg -L fonts-noto-hinted | grep -i sinhala
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoSansSinhala-Bold.ttf
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoSansSinhala-Regular.ttf

Thanks,
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Message #10 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>

To: Harshula <harshula@debian.org>, 837926@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 18:07:59 +0200

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Quoting Harshula (harshula@debian.org):
> Package: debian-installer
> Version: 20160630
> Severity: important
> 
> Please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script
> 
> The LKLUG font is viewed as deprecated and we've been trying to
> encourage other fonts that can succeed as the default Sinhala font on
> GNU/Linux.
> 
> At this stage the Noto Sinhala range, in fonts-noto-hinted, is a more
> appropriate default font than LKLUG.
> 
> See the discussion here:
> http://sourceforge.net/p/sinhala/mailman/message/34481529/

I'd be happy to do this, however the fonts-noto-hinted-udeb package is
5 megabytes in size while the former fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb package
is only 67kilobytes.

Size is somehow constrained in Debian Installer, so I'd prefer getting
more input and advice before replacing fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb byt
fonts-notohinted-udeb in D-I

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Message #15 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>

To: Harshula <harshula@debian.org>, 837926@bugs.debian.org

Cc: "Christian PERRIER" <bubulle@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 15:32:58 +0100

Quoting Harshula (2016-11-17 14:58:33)
> On 19/09/16 02:07, Christian PERRIER wrote:
>> I'd be happy to do this, however the fonts-noto-hinted-udeb package 
>> is 5 megabytes in size while the former fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb 
>> package is only 67kilobytes.
>>
>> Size is somehow constrained in Debian Installer, so I'd prefer 
>> getting more input and advice before replacing 
>> fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb byt fonts-notohinted-udeb in D-I
>
> Perhaps the Noto maintainers might consider splitting Noto into script 
> based debs. IIRC, that's what was done in Fedora.

I'd be happy to improve the usefulnes of the Noto package(s), but will 
need more guidance.

I suspect easiest approach would be for debian-installer to use Noto 
generally - i.e. replace not only the font for Sinhala but (I guess) a 
larger range of region-specific fonts.

If debian-installer installs locale-specific fonts only when needed, or 
there are reasons to not shift generally to Noto, then indeed there is a 
benefit in creating udeb packages for smaller regions.

I can create a udeb specifically for Sinhala.  Or I can create a udeb 
for each single font part of the Noto deb.  What do the debian-installer 
team consider useful?

 - Jonas

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Message #20 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Harshula <harshula@debian.org>

To: 837926@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>, Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:58:33 +1100

On 19/09/16 02:07, Christian PERRIER wrote:

> I'd be happy to do this, however the fonts-noto-hinted-udeb package is
> 5 megabytes in size while the former fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb package
> is only 67kilobytes.
> 
> Size is somehow constrained in Debian Installer, so I'd prefer getting
> more input and advice before replacing fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb byt
> fonts-notohinted-udeb in D-I

Perhaps the Noto maintainers might consider splitting Noto into script
based debs. IIRC, that's what was done in Fedora.

cya,
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Message #25 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian Perrier <bubulle@debian.org>

To: Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>, 837926@bugs.debian.org, Harshula <harshula@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:11:00 +0100

Le 17/11/2016 à 15:32, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> Quoting Harshula (2016-11-17 14:58:33)
>> On 19/09/16 02:07, Christian PERRIER wrote:
>>> I'd be happy to do this, however the fonts-noto-hinted-udeb package
>>> is 5 megabytes in size while the former fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb
>>> package is only 67kilobytes.
>>>
>>> Size is somehow constrained in Debian Installer, so I'd prefer
>>> getting more input and advice before replacing
>>> fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb byt fonts-notohinted-udeb in D-I
>>
>> Perhaps the Noto maintainers might consider splitting Noto into script
>> based debs. IIRC, that's what was done in Fedora.
>
> I'd be happy to improve the usefulnes of the Noto package(s), but will
> need more guidance.
>
> I suspect easiest approach would be for debian-installer to use Noto
> generally - i.e. replace not only the font for Sinhala but (I guess) a
> larger range of region-specific fonts.
>
> If debian-installer installs locale-specific fonts only when needed, or
> there are reasons to not shift generally to Noto, then indeed there is a
> benefit in creating udeb packages for smaller regions.
>
> I can create a udeb specifically for Sinhala.  Or I can create a udeb
> for each single font part of the Noto deb.  What do the debian-installer
> team consider useful?
>
>  - Jonas
>

Chagning the D-I font to Noto for all languages hasn't been 
validated...and the current font is well tested and accepted.

So, as a consequence, I'd prefer a udeb that would be suited for Sinhala.

Message #30 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>

To: Christian Perrier <bubulle@debian.org>, 837926@bugs.debian.org, "Harshula" <harshula@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:12:25 +0100

Quoting Christian Perrier (2016-11-18 09:11:00)
> Le 17/11/2016 à 15:32, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
>> Quoting Harshula (2016-11-17 14:58:33)
>>> On 19/09/16 02:07, Christian PERRIER wrote:
>>>> I'd be happy to do this, however the fonts-noto-hinted-udeb package 
>>>> is 5 megabytes in size while the former fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb 
>>>> package is only 67kilobytes.

>> I can create a udeb specifically for Sinhala.  Or I can create a udeb 
>> for each single font part of the Noto deb.  What do the 
>> debian-installer team consider useful?

> Chagning the D-I font to Noto for all languages hasn't been 
> validated...and the current font is well tested and accepted.
> 
> So, as a consequence, I'd prefer a udeb that would be suited for 
> Sinhala.

Makes sense.

udeb package fonts-noto-hinted-udeb now, since 20161116-1, contains only 
fonts relevant for debian-installer - i.e. for now only Sinhala fonts.

 - Jonas

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Message #35 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Harshula <harshula@debian.org>

To: 837926@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>, Christian Perrier <bubulle@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 15:35:51 +1100

On 18/11/16 22:12, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Christian Perrier (2016-11-18 09:11:00)

>> Chagning the D-I font to Noto for all languages hasn't been 
>> validated...and the current font is well tested and accepted.
>>
>> So, as a consequence, I'd prefer a udeb that would be suited for 
>> Sinhala.
> 
> Makes sense.
> 
> udeb package fonts-noto-hinted-udeb now, since 20161116-1, contains only 
> fonts relevant for debian-installer - i.e. for now only Sinhala fonts.

Thanks!! That was very quick.

cya,
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Message #40 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>

To: Harshula <harshula@debian.org>

Cc: 837926@bugs.debian.org, Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 07:23:20 +0100

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Quoting Harshula (harshula@debian.org):
> On 18/11/16 22:12, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Christian Perrier (2016-11-18 09:11:00)
> 
> >> Chagning the D-I font to Noto for all languages hasn't been 
> >> validated...and the current font is well tested and accepted.
> >>
> >> So, as a consequence, I'd prefer a udeb that would be suited for 
> >> Sinhala.
> > 
> > Makes sense.
> > 
> > udeb package fonts-noto-hinted-udeb now, since 20161116-1, contains only 
> > fonts relevant for debian-installer - i.e. for now only Sinhala fonts.
> 
> Thanks!! That was very quick.


I now need to figure out where to make other changes.

One is in the installer build files (in the debian-installer package
itself) and is committed to git.

Another is in one of the D-I packages : changing the file that
mentions what fonts are used depending on the locale. This is not yet
committed as I now have to remember what package we're talking about..:-)

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Message #45 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>

To: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>, "Harshula" <harshula@debian.org>

Cc: 837926@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 09:35:58 +0100

Quoting Christian PERRIER (2016-11-19 07:23:20)
> Quoting Harshula (harshula@debian.org):
> > On 18/11/16 22:12, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > Quoting Christian Perrier (2016-11-18 09:11:00)
> > 
> > >> Chagning the D-I font to Noto for all languages hasn't been 
> > >> validated...and the current font is well tested and accepted.
> > >>
> > >> So, as a consequence, I'd prefer a udeb that would be suited for 
> > >> Sinhala.
> > > 
> > > Makes sense.
> > > 
> > > udeb package fonts-noto-hinted-udeb now, since 20161116-1, contains only 
> > > fonts relevant for debian-installer - i.e. for now only Sinhala fonts.
> > 
> > Thanks!! That was very quick.
> 
> 
> I now need to figure out where to make other changes.
> 
> One is in the installer build files (in the debian-installer package
> itself) and is committed to git.
> 
> Another is in one of the D-I packages : changing the file that
> mentions what fonts are used depending on the locale. This is not yet
> committed as I now have to remember what package we're talking about..:-)

Old: fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb

New: fonts-noto-hinted-udeb package


 - Jonas

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Message #50 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>

To: Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>

Cc: Harshula <harshula@debian.org>, 837926@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:17:00 +0100

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Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (dr@jones.dk):

> > Another is in one of the D-I packages : changing the file that
> > mentions what fonts are used depending on the locale. This is not yet
> > committed as I now have to remember what package we're talking about..:-)
> 
> Old: fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb
> 
> New: fonts-noto-hinted-udeb package

*that* I found. The place I'm looking for is a file that says "if
you're using a Sinhala locale, then load this font". From memory that
might be rootskel-gtk....

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Message #55 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>

To: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>,

Cc: "Harshula" <harshula@debian.org>, 837926@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 13:52:25 +0100

Quoting Christian PERRIER (2016-11-19 12:17:00)
> Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (dr@jones.dk):
> 
> > > Another is in one of the D-I packages : changing the file that
> > > mentions what fonts are used depending on the locale. This is not yet
> > > committed as I now have to remember what package we're talking about..:-)
> > 
> > Old: fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb
> > 
> > New: fonts-noto-hinted-udeb package
> 
> *that* I found. The place I'm looking for is a file that says "if
> you're using a Sinhala locale, then load this font". From memory that
> might be rootskel-gtk....

Ah, ok.

gtk-common, perhaps?

http://sources.debian.net/src/debian-installer/20161031/build/pkg-lists/gtk-common/?hl=22#L22

I found above at https://codesearch.debian.org/ with this expression:

  (?i:sinhal) package:debian-installer

(to cover upper/lower case, and both Sinhala and Sinhalese)


 - Jonas

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Message #60 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>

To: Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>

Cc: Harshula <harshula@debian.org>, 837926@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:47:13 +0100

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Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (dr@jones.dk):
> Quoting Christian PERRIER (2016-11-19 12:17:00)
> > Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (dr@jones.dk):
> > 
> > > > Another is in one of the D-I packages : changing the file that
> > > > mentions what fonts are used depending on the locale. This is not yet
> > > > committed as I now have to remember what package we're talking about..:-)
> > > 
> > > Old: fonts-lklug-sinhala-udeb
> > > 
> > > New: fonts-noto-hinted-udeb package
> > 
> > *that* I found. The place I'm looking for is a file that says "if
> > you're using a Sinhala locale, then load this font". From memory that
> > might be rootskel-gtk....
> 
> Ah, ok.
> 
> gtk-common, perhaps?
> 
> http://sources.debian.net/src/debian-installer/20161031/build/pkg-lists/gtk-common/?hl=22#L22
> 
> I found above at https://codesearch.debian.org/ with this expression:
> 
>   (?i:sinhal) package:debian-installer
> 
> (to cover upper/lower case, and both Sinhala and Sinhalese)


Indeed, this is in rootskel-gtk, in src/usr/bin/gtk-set-font. It
allows choosing the "main" font depending on the locale and even
picking a bigger size than the default.

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Message #65 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>

To: Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>

Cc: Harshula <harshula@debian.org>, 837926@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:55:42 +0100

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Quoting Christian PERRIER (bubulle@debian.org):

> > http://sources.debian.net/src/debian-installer/20161031/build/pkg-lists/gtk-common/?hl=22#L22
> > 
> > I found above at https://codesearch.debian.org/ with this expression:
> > 
> >   (?i:sinhal) package:debian-installer
> > 
> > (to cover upper/lower case, and both Sinhala and Sinhalese)
> 
> 
> Indeed, this is in rootskel-gtk, in src/usr/bin/gtk-set-font. It
> allows choosing the "main" font depending on the locale and even
> picking a bigger size than the default.
> 

....rootskel-gtk just uploaded.

If everything goes well, the next daily builds of D-I (netboot images)
should soon use the Noto fonts to display Sinhala.

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Message #70 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org>

To: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>, 837926@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Harshula <harshula@debian.org>, Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 03:37:46 +0100

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Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org> (2016-11-19):
> I now need to figure out where to make other changes.
> 
> One is in the installer build files (in the debian-installer package
> itself) and is committed to git.

Maybe you forgot to push that part? I've mentioned it earlier when I
noticed the rootskel-gtk upload (and only saw this thread afterwards):
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2016/11/msg00178.html

> Another is in one of the D-I packages : changing the file that mentions
> what fonts are used depending on the locale. This is not yet committed
> as I now have to remember what package we're talking about..:-)

That was indeed rootskel-gtk's gtk-set-font as you found out; sorry for
being late to the party.


KiBi.

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Message #75 received at 837926@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>

To: 837926@bugs.debian.org, Harshula <harshula@debian.org>, Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>

Subject: Re: Bug#837926: debian-installer: please use fonts-noto-hinted to display the Sinhala script

Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:00:56 +0100

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Quoting Cyril Brulebois (kibi@debian.org):
> Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org> (2016-11-19):
> > I now need to figure out where to make other changes.
> > 
> > One is in the installer build files (in the debian-installer package
> > itself) and is committed to git.
> 
> Maybe you forgot to push that part? I've mentioned it earlier when I
> noticed the rootskel-gtk upload (and only saw this thread afterwards):
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2016/11/msg00178.html


That's right. I forgot pushing the commit....which I found, today, was
done in an outdated copy of installer/ directory anyway (I keep my
copy of packages/ up-to-date, but not installer/)

I redid it cleanly today and just pushed.

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From: Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org>

To: 837926-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#837926: fixed in debian-installer 20170112

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 11:18:39 +0000

Source: debian-installer
Source-Version: 20170112

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
debian-installer, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
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Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
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