Debian Bug report logs - #807784
octave-optim suggests `lyx`

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Hormet Yiltiz <hyiltiz@gmail.com>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: octave-optim suggests `lyx`

Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 19:29:30 -0500

Package: octave-optim
Version: 1.4.1-1+b1
Severity: serious
Justification: Policy 7.2

Dear Maintainer,

*** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where appropriate ***

   * What led up to the situation?
   octave-optim suggests lyx, which is a office suite that makes working
   with LaTeX easy, and implements a way for reproducable research.
   However, `lyx` then depends on `texlive`, which is a heavy
   dependency. Octave-optim is a package of GNU Octave, which is used
   for scientific computation. octave-optim, being a package for a
   octave that does the computation, should NOT depend or suggest a 3rd
   party software that is not very related to its usage.

   * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or
   Looked at `apt-cache info octave-optim`
     ineffective)?
   * What was the outcome of this action?
   suggests `lyx`
   * What outcome did you expect instead?
   does NOT suggests `lyx` or any texlive package.

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-- System Information:
Debian Release: stretch/sid
  APT prefers testing-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'testing-updates'), (500, 'testing-proposed-updates'), (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 4.2.0-1-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)

Versions of packages octave-optim depends on:
ii  libblas3 [libblas.so.3]            1.2.20110419-11
ii  libc6                              2.19-22
ii  libgcc1                            1:5.2.1-23
ii  liblapack3 [liblapack.so.3]        3.5.0-5
ii  liboctave3v5                       4.0.0-5
ii  libopenblas-base [liblapack.so.3]  0.2.15-1
ii  libstdc++6                         5.2.1-23
ii  octave                             4.0.0-5
ii  octave-struct                      1.0.11-1+b2

octave-optim recommends no packages.

Versions of packages octave-optim suggests:
ii  lyx  2.1.4-2

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Message #10 received at 807784@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Hörmetjan Yiltiz <hyiltiz@gmail.com>

To: Rafael Laboissiere <rafael@laboissiere.net>, 807784@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [Pkg-octave-devel] Bug#807784: octave-optim suggests `lyx`

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 02:38:22 +0000

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Great! Thanks! So lyx was supposed to be used for "reading" some
documentation? Well, I would not think that lyx can be assumed to be a tool
to do so. Octave users will use `help` and `info`, and when necessary, the
browser and PDF reader, but certainly not lyx. Thanks for the effort!

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 21:34 Rafael Laboissiere <rafael@laboissiere.net>
wrote:

> Control: severity -1 normal
>
> * Hormet Yiltiz <hyiltiz@gmail.com> [2015-12-12 19:29]:
>
> > Package: octave-optim
> > Version: 1.4.1-1+b1
> > Severity: serious
> > Justification: Policy 7.2
> >
> >   octave-optim suggests lyx, which is a office suite that makes working
> >   with LaTeX easy, and implements a way for reproducable research.
> >   However, `lyx` then depends on `texlive`, which is a heavy
> >   dependency. Octave-optim is a package of GNU Octave, which is used
> >   for scientific computation. octave-optim, being a package for a
> >   octave that does the computation, should NOT depend or suggest a 3rd
> >   party software that is not very related to its usage.
>
> I disagree with this interpretation.  Section 7.2 of the Policy manual
> does mandate that:
>
> "Depends […] The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package
> is required for the depending package to provide a significant amount of
> functionality. […]"
>
> However, there is no such requirement for the Suggests relationship:
>
> "Suggests: This is used to declare that one package may be more useful
> with one or more others. Using this field tells the packaging system and
> the user that the listed packages are related to this one and can perhaps
> enhance its usefulness, but that installing this one without them is
> perfectly reasonable."
>
> I am therefore downgrading the severity of this bug report to "normal"
> hereby.
>
> That said, I agree with the bug submitter that having to install lyx,
> which pulls the whole TeX distribution, is an overkill for just reading
> part of the documentation.  I am now working on a solution that will ship
> the *.pdf instead of the *.lyx, as it is currently the case.  This will
> eventually fix the bug reported here.
>
> Rafael
>
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Message #15 received at 807784@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Rafael Laboissiere <rafael@laboissiere.net>

To: Hormet Yiltiz <hyiltiz@gmail.com>, 807784@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [Pkg-octave-devel] Bug#807784: octave-optim suggests `lyx`

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 03:34:29 +0100

Control: severity -1 normal

* Hormet Yiltiz <hyiltiz@gmail.com> [2015-12-12 19:29]:

> Package: octave-optim
> Version: 1.4.1-1+b1
> Severity: serious
> Justification: Policy 7.2
>
>   octave-optim suggests lyx, which is a office suite that makes working
>   with LaTeX easy, and implements a way for reproducable research.
>   However, `lyx` then depends on `texlive`, which is a heavy
>   dependency. Octave-optim is a package of GNU Octave, which is used
>   for scientific computation. octave-optim, being a package for a
>   octave that does the computation, should NOT depend or suggest a 3rd
>   party software that is not very related to its usage.

I disagree with this interpretation.  Section 7.2 of the Policy manual 
does mandate that:

"Depends […] The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package 
is required for the depending package to provide a significant amount of 
functionality. […]"

However, there is no such requirement for the Suggests relationship:

"Suggests: This is used to declare that one package may be more useful 
with one or more others. Using this field tells the packaging system and 
the user that the listed packages are related to this one and can perhaps 
enhance its usefulness, but that installing this one without them is 
perfectly reasonable."

I am therefore downgrading the severity of this bug report to "normal" 
hereby.

That said, I agree with the bug submitter that having to install lyx, 
which pulls the whole TeX distribution, is an overkill for just reading 
part of the documentation.  I am now working on a solution that will ship 
the *.pdf instead of the *.lyx, as it is currently the case.  This will 
eventually fix the bug reported here.

Rafael

Message #22 received at 807784@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Rafael Laboissiere <rafael@laboissiere.net>

To: 807784@bugs.debian.org

Cc: control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: [pkg-octave/master] Remove lyx from Suggests

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 07:39:08 +0000

tag 807784 pending
thanks

Date: Mon Dec 14 00:35:04 2015 -0200
Author: Rafael Laboissiere <rafael@laboissiere.net>
Commit ID: 51eb8202d676378d75e466a3de2b465ef943ccb1
Commit URL: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-octave/octave-optim.git;a=commitdiff;h=51eb8202d676378d75e466a3de2b465ef943ccb1
Patch URL: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-octave/octave-optim.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=51eb8202d676378d75e466a3de2b465ef943ccb1

    Remove lyx from Suggests

    The PDF file built from the LyX source of the Mini-HowTo is now
    shipped with the package.

    Closes: #807784
    Gbp-Dch: Full
      

Message #29 received at 807784-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Rafael Laboissiere <rafael@laboissiere.net>

To: 807784-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#807784: fixed in octave-optim 1.4.1-2

Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:06:05 +0000

Source: octave-optim
Source-Version: 1.4.1-2

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
octave-optim, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 807784@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Rafael Laboissiere <rafael@laboissiere.net> (supplier of updated octave-optim package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
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Format: 1.8
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:32:32 +0100
Source: octave-optim
Binary: octave-optim
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.4.1-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Octave Group <pkg-octave-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Rafael Laboissiere <rafael@laboissiere.net>
Description:
 octave-optim - unconstrained non-linear optimization toolkit for Octave
Closes: 807784
Changes:
 octave-optim (1.4.1-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * d/octave-optim.doc-base:
     + Add author and abstract fields
     + Add format paragraph for the info file
   * Remove lyx from Suggests.
     The PDF file built from the LyX source of the Mini-HowTo is now
     shipped with the package. (Closes: #807784)
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