Debian Bug report logs - #790158
sugar-toolkit: depends on python-rsvg which is deprecated

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Message #5 received at maintonly@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: pochu@debian.org

To: maintonly@bugs.debian.org

Subject: sugar-toolkit: depends on python-rsvg which is deprecated

Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:06:24 +0200

Source: sugar-toolkit
Severity: important
Tags: sid stretch
User: pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org
Usertags: oldlibs python-rsvg gnome-python-desktop

Hi,

sugar-toolkit depends on python-rsvg, which is long deprecated and
going to be removed from the archive. sugar-toolkit should switch to
using the GObject Introspection bindings for gnome-keyring,
gir1.2-rsvg-2.0.

This would mean switching to GObject Introspection for other bindings
as well, e.g. GLib and GTK+, so making the switch to GTK+ 3 at the
same time would make a lot of sense.

For more information on GObject Introspection see [1] and [2].

Please try to do this before the Stretch release as we're going to
try to remove it this cycle.

If you have any question don't hesitate to ask.

Emilio

[1] https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/GObjectIntrospection
[2] https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/PyGObject 

Message #12 received at 790158@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org>

To: 790158@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: sugar-toolkit: depends on python-rsvg which is deprecated

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 23:11:01 +0200

Control: severity -1 serious

Hi,

We are finally removing gnome-python-desktop (so python-rsvg,
python-gnomekeyring, python-wnck) so this is now RC.

Cheers,
Emilio

Message #21 received at 790158@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: James Cameron <quozl@laptop.org>

To: 790158@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Upstream comment

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:03:24 +1100

Upstream could bring python-rsvg source into the code base; would that
be okay?

Porting from python-rsvg to gir1.2-rsvg-2.0 would also require porting
to GTK+ 2 GObject introspection.  This would break compatibility with
downloaded Sugar activities.

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/

Message #26 received at 790158@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk>

To: 790158@bugs.debian.org, James Cameron <quozl@laptop.org>

Subject: Re: [Pkg-sugar-devel] Bug#790158: Upstream comment

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 10:20:16 +0200

Quoting James Cameron (2017-10-16 07:03:24)
> Upstream could bring python-rsvg source into the code base; would that 
> be okay?

No.

The team in Debian familiar with librsvg decides that its end of life is 
reached.  I will not be comfortable with sidestepping that decision by 
essentially taking over maintenance with Sugarlabs as new upstream!


> Porting from python-rsvg to gir1.2-rsvg-2.0 would also require porting 
> to GTK+ 2 GObject introspection.  This would break compatibility with 
> downloaded Sugar activities.

GTK+ 2.x is on its way out.  And _that_ is really what breaks activities 
depending on GTK+ 2.x.

Activities using GTK+ 2.x is expected to stop working with Debian 
relatively soon.

I don't see any other (realistic) option than porting to modern stuff 
like GTK+ 3.x and gir.


 - Jonas

-- 
 * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
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Message #31 received at 790158@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: James Cameron <quozl@laptop.org>

To: Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk>

Cc: 790158@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [Pkg-sugar-devel] Bug#790158: Upstream comment

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:30:55 +1100

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:20:16AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting James Cameron (2017-10-16 07:03:24)
> > Upstream could bring python-rsvg source into the code base; would that 
> > be okay?
> 
> No.
> 
> The team in Debian familiar with librsvg decides that its end of life is 
> reached.  I will not be comfortable with sidestepping that decision by 
> essentially taking over maintenance with Sugarlabs as new upstream!

Okay.

Actually, librsvg2 isn't end of life, but gnome-python-desktop is; a
strange place for the binding, but hey, it's what we have.

The binding is really tiny.

wc --lines ...

  135 rsvg.defs
   35 rsvgmodule.c
  229 rsvg.override

Or fork to run librsvg2-bin /usr/bin/rsvg-convert

> > Porting from python-rsvg to gir1.2-rsvg-2.0 would also require porting 
> > to GTK+ 2 GObject introspection.  This would break compatibility with 
> > downloaded Sugar activities.
> 
> GTK+ 2.x is on its way out.  And _that_ is really what breaks activities 
> depending on GTK+ 2.x.
> 
> Activities using GTK+ 2.x is expected to stop working with Debian 
> relatively soon.

Okay.  For Buster or later?

> I don't see any other (realistic) option than porting to modern stuff 
> like GTK+ 3.x and gir.

Agreed.  I've heard that hundreds of programs are affected, but they
aren't in Debian, so not our problem here.

I've checked Sid dependencies, to predict next steps, described below;
have I understood consequences correctly?

Debian will remove src:sugar-toolkit and python-sugar-toolkit, which
will cascade to;

- remove the python-sugar-toolkit recommends in package sucrose,

- remove gtk2-engines-sugar from src:sugar-artwork, and the recommends
  in package sucrose,

- remove package sugar-presence-service, (python-sugar-toolkit held
  the last dependency),

- remove or package new upstream releases for
  sugar-{poll,physics,irc}-activity

- remove or wait for new upstream release for
  sugar-jigsawpuzzle-activity, logged upstream as
  https://github.com/sugarlabs/jigsaw-puzzle-branch/issues/1

>  - Jonas
> 
> -- 
>  * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
>  * Tlf.: +45 40843136  Website: http://dr.jones.dk/
> 
>  [x] quote me freely  [ ] ask before reusing  [ ] keep private

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/

Message #36 received at 790158@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk>

To: James Cameron <quozl@laptop.org>

Cc: 790158@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [Pkg-sugar-devel] Bug#790158: Upstream comment

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:05:00 +0200

Quoting James Cameron (2017-10-16 11:30:55)
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:20:16AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting James Cameron (2017-10-16 07:03:24)
> > > Upstream could bring python-rsvg source into the code base; would that 
> > > be okay?
> > 
> > No.
> > 
> > The team in Debian familiar with librsvg decides that its end of life is 
> > reached.  I will not be comfortable with sidestepping that decision by 
> > essentially taking over maintenance with Sugarlabs as new upstream!
> 
> Okay.
> 
> Actually, librsvg2 isn't end of life, but gnome-python-desktop is; a 
> strange place for the binding, but hey, it's what we have.

Right I was sloppy above. More accurately python-rsvg is deprecated - 
exactly as is the subject of this bugreport says (and inherently the 
subject of of this email thread until you renamed it).


> The binding is really tiny.
> 
> wc --lines ...
> 
>   135 rsvg.defs
>    35 rsvgmodule.c
>   229 rsvg.override

Size is not really the issue.  Issue is maintenance.

If you step up as upstream maintainer of python-rsvg then I will 
consider packaging that for Debian.  As an independent project.


> Or fork to run librsvg2-bin /usr/bin/rsvg-convert

Yes, that is indeed another option.


>>> Porting from python-rsvg to gir1.2-rsvg-2.0 would also require 
>>> porting to GTK+ 2 GObject introspection.  This would break 
>>> compatibility with downloaded Sugar activities.
>>
>> GTK+ 2.x is on its way out.  And _that_ is really what breaks 
>> activities depending on GTK+ 2.x.
>>
>> Activities using GTK+ 2.x is expected to stop working with Debian 
>> relatively soon.
>
> Okay.  For Buster or later?

Again I was sloppy.  Arguably I failed at being helpful in my response: 
The original bugreport summarizes accurately the state of affairs.

Also, bugreporter offers help clarifying any questions.  Please try ask 
about the _original_ bugreport not my sloppy commenting on it, however.

I believe your question, if asked more narrowly for the original 
bugreport, is already answered in that original bugreport: Buster!


>> I don't see any other (realistic) option than porting to modern stuff 
>> like GTK+ 3.x and gir.
>
> Agreed.  I've heard that hundreds of programs are affected, but they
> aren't in Debian, so not our problem here.
> 
> I've checked Sid dependencies, to predict next steps, described below;
> have I understood consequences correctly?
> 
> Debian will remove src:sugar-toolkit and python-sugar-toolkit, which
> will cascade to;
> 
> - remove the python-sugar-toolkit recommends in package sucrose,

Yes, or just lower to only suggest.


> - remove gtk2-engines-sugar from src:sugar-artwork, and the recommends
>   in package sucrose,
> 
> - remove package sugar-presence-service, (python-sugar-toolkit held
>   the last dependency),
> 
> - remove or package new upstream releases for
>   sugar-{poll,physics,irc}-activity
> 
> - remove or wait for new upstream release for
>   sugar-jigsawpuzzle-activity, logged upstream as
>   https://github.com/sugarlabs/jigsaw-puzzle-branch/issues/1

Seems right.

 - Jonas

-- 
 * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
 * Tlf.: +45 40843136  Website: http://dr.jones.dk/

 [x] quote me freely  [ ] ask before reusing  [ ] keep private

Message #41 received at 790158@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@debian.org>

To: 790158@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk>, James Cameron <quozl@laptop.org>, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org>

Subject: Re: sugar-toolkit: depends on python-rsvg which is deprecated

Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:15:32 -0400

Hi,

It's been 2.5 months since I last pinged Jonas about this issue and 4
months since sugar-toolkit was removed from testing. It doesn't look
like there's been any activity on this recently.

sugar-toolkit is now one of only two packages preventing us from
removing gnome-python-desktop from Debian completely.

Only 2 of its rdepends even shipped in Stretch: sugar-irc-activity and
sugar-presence-service .sugar-presence-service was described as
deprecated 6 years ago in Debian. [1]

Please let us remove sugar-toolkit & its rdepends from Debian now.

[1] https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-sugar/sugar-presence-service.git/commit/?id=288ab060

Thanks,
Jeremy Bicha

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Cc: sugar-toolkit@packages.debian.org

Subject: Bug#906800: Removed package(s) from unstable

Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 17:08:02 +0000

Version: 0.112-3+rm

Dear submitter,

as the package sugar-toolkit has just been removed from the Debian archive
unstable we hereby close the associated bug reports.  We are sorry
that we couldn't deal with your issue properly.

For details on the removal, please see https://bugs.debian.org/906800

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