Debian Bug report logs -
#789524
upstart: Switching between init systems
Reported by: Kyle Amon <fleshenough@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:24:02 UTC
Severity: critical
Found in version upstart/1.11-5
Fixed in version 1.11-5+rm
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to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>:
Bug#789524; Package upstart.
(Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:24:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
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to Kyle Amon <fleshenough@gmail.com>:
New Bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>.
(Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:24:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):
Package: upstart
Version: 1.11-5
Severity: critical
Justification: breaks unrelated software
Dear Maintainer,
Switching between sysvinit and systemd works. Switching from either of them
to upstart works. Switching from upstart to either of them fails. This bug
was well documented to the debian-users mailing list by "Thorsten Holzman"
<thorsten.holzman@gmx.de> on 11-21-14. There was one reply saying to file a
bug report, but he evidently did not. Please refer to his description at the
following URL... https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/11/msg01452.html.
-- System Information:
Debian Release: 8.1
APT prefers stable
APT policy: (500, 'stable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386
Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-042stab092.3 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: upstart (via init_is_upstart())
Versions of packages upstart depends on:
ii debianutils 4.4+b1
ii ifupdown 0.7.53.1
ii initscripts 2.88dsf-59
ii libc6 2.19-18
ii libdbus-1-3 1.8.18-0+deb8u1
ii libjson-c2 0.11-4
ii libjson0 0.11-4
ii libnih-dbus1 1.0.3-4.3
ii libnih1 1.0.3-4.3
ii libselinux1 2.3-2
ii libudev1 215-17+deb8u1
ii mountall 2.54
ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-59
ii udev 215-17+deb8u1
upstart recommends no packages.
Versions of packages upstart suggests:
pn bash-completion <none>
pn graphviz <none>
pn python3 <none>
pn upstart-monitor <none>
-- Configuration Files:
/etc/init/console.conf changed [not included]
/etc/init/tty2.conf changed [not included]
-- no debconf information
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Bug#789524; Package upstart.
(Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:30:08 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Acknowledgement sent
to Cameron Norman <camerontnorman@gmail.com>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>.
(Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:30:08 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Message #10 received at 789524@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 13:12:11 -0600 Kyle Amon <fleshenough@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Package: upstart
> Version: 1.11-5
> Severity: critical
> Justification: breaks unrelated software
>
> Dear Maintainer,
>
> Switching between sysvinit and systemd works. Switching from either
of them
> to upstart works. Switching from upstart to either of them fails.
This bug
> was well documented to the debian-users mailing list by "Thorsten
Holzman"
> <thorsten.holzman@gmx.de> on 11-21-14. There was one reply saying
to file a
> bug report, but he evidently did not. Please refer to his
description at the
> following URL...
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/11/msg01452.html.
>
I fail to see how Upstart can do much to change this since Upstart's
reboot/telinit/shutdown/etc commands are not installed at the point
where you invoke reboot.
The only way to do it from Upstart's side is to proxy requests from
external tools like systemctl or sysvinit's shutdown/telinit commands
by:
* listening to /dev/initctl like systemd has a special daemon for
* taking systemd's name on the system bus so it can accept
shutdown/reboot/etc requests
The latter conflicts with systemd-shim's operation. It would be nigh
impossible to do without doing it in the shim itself... grr.
--
Cameron Norman
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Bug#789524; Package upstart.
(Mon, 06 Jul 2015 23:15:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
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to Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list.
(Mon, 06 Jul 2015 23:15:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Message #15 received at 789524@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 11:26:00PM -0700, Cameron Norman wrote:
> I fail to see how Upstart can do much to change this since Upstart's
> reboot/telinit/shutdown/etc commands are not installed at the point where
> you invoke reboot.
> The only way to do it from Upstart's side is to proxy requests from external
> tools like systemctl or sysvinit's shutdown/telinit commands by:
> * listening to /dev/initctl like systemd has a special daemon for
> * taking systemd's name on the system bus so it can accept
> shutdown/reboot/etc requests
> The latter conflicts with systemd-shim's operation. It would be nigh
> impossible to do without doing it in the shim itself... grr.
upstart could certainly be adjusted to be compatible with the historical
sysvinit rpc protocol (i.e., /dev/initctl). This has never been implemented
in upstart because supporting switching away from upstart has never been a
priority. But it is a bug in upstart that this is not supported, given that
upstart is not the default in Debian.
Whether this bug is severe enough to warrant the label "critical" and
trigger removal from testing, I have no opinion. The package has already
made it out the door in three stable releases with this issue; it doesn't
obviously improve matters for users to not have the option of upgrading to a
newer version of upstart, considering that's precisely the sort of situation
that would cause the user to try to switch init systems and run into this
bug at that point.
--
Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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Bug acknowledged by developer.
(Mon, 11 Jan 2016 05:31:50 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).
Message #20 received at 789524-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):
Version: 1.11-5+rm
Dear submitter,
as the package upstart has just been removed from the Debian archive
unstable we hereby close the associated bug reports. We are sorry
that we couldn't deal with your issue properly.
For details on the removal, please see https://bugs.debian.org/808289
The version of this package that was in Debian prior to this removal
can still be found using http://snapshot.debian.org/.
This message was generated automatically; if you believe that there is
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