Debian Bug report logs - #789524
upstart: Switching between init systems

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Package: upstart; Maintainer for upstart is (unknown);

Reported by: Kyle Amon <fleshenough@gmail.com>

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:24:02 UTC

Severity: critical

Found in version upstart/1.11-5

Fixed in version 1.11-5+rm

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Report forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>:
Bug#789524; Package upstart. (Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:24:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Acknowledgement sent to Kyle Amon <fleshenough@gmail.com>:
New Bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>. (Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:24:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Kyle Amon <fleshenough@gmail.com>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: upstart: Switching between init systems
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 13:12:11 -0600
Package: upstart
Version: 1.11-5
Severity: critical
Justification: breaks unrelated software

Dear Maintainer,

Switching between sysvinit and systemd works.  Switching from either of them
to upstart works.  Switching from upstart to either of them fails.  This bug
was well documented to the debian-users mailing list by "Thorsten Holzman"
<thorsten.holzman@gmx.de> on 11-21-14.  There was one reply saying to file a
bug report, but he evidently did not.  Please refer to his description at the
following URL... https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/11/msg01452.html.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 8.1
  APT prefers stable
  APT policy: (500, 'stable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386

Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-042stab092.3 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: upstart (via init_is_upstart())

Versions of packages upstart depends on:
ii  debianutils     4.4+b1
ii  ifupdown        0.7.53.1
ii  initscripts     2.88dsf-59
ii  libc6           2.19-18
ii  libdbus-1-3     1.8.18-0+deb8u1
ii  libjson-c2      0.11-4
ii  libjson0        0.11-4
ii  libnih-dbus1    1.0.3-4.3
ii  libnih1         1.0.3-4.3
ii  libselinux1     2.3-2
ii  libudev1        215-17+deb8u1
ii  mountall        2.54
ii  sysvinit-utils  2.88dsf-59
ii  udev            215-17+deb8u1

upstart recommends no packages.

Versions of packages upstart suggests:
pn  bash-completion  <none>
pn  graphviz         <none>
pn  python3          <none>
pn  upstart-monitor  <none>

-- Configuration Files:
/etc/init/console.conf changed [not included]
/etc/init/tty2.conf changed [not included]

-- no debconf information



Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>:
Bug#789524; Package upstart. (Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:30:08 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Acknowledgement sent to Cameron Norman <camerontnorman@gmail.com>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>. (Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:30:08 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Message #10 received at 789524@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Cameron Norman <camerontnorman@gmail.com>
To: 789524@bugs.debian.org
Subject: upstart: Switching between init systems
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 23:26:00 -0700
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 13:12:11 -0600 Kyle Amon <fleshenough@gmail.com> 
wrote:
> Package: upstart
> Version: 1.11-5
> Severity: critical
> Justification: breaks unrelated software
>
> Dear Maintainer,
>
> Switching between sysvinit and systemd works.  Switching from either 
of them
> to upstart works.  Switching from upstart to either of them fails.  
This bug
> was well documented to the debian-users mailing list by "Thorsten 
Holzman"
> <thorsten.holzman@gmx.de> on 11-21-14.  There was one reply saying 
to file a
> bug report, but he evidently did not.  Please refer to his 
description at the
> following URL... 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/11/msg01452.html.
>

I fail to see how Upstart can do much to change this since Upstart's 
reboot/telinit/shutdown/etc commands are not installed at the point 
where you invoke reboot.

The only way to do it from Upstart's side is to proxy requests from 
external tools like systemctl or sysvinit's shutdown/telinit commands 
by:

* listening to /dev/initctl like systemd has a special daemon for
* taking systemd's name on the system bus so it can accept 
shutdown/reboot/etc requests

The latter conflicts with systemd-shim's operation. It would be nigh 
impossible to do without doing it in the shim itself... grr.

--
Cameron Norman
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Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org:
Bug#789524; Package upstart. (Mon, 06 Jul 2015 23:15:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Acknowledgement sent to Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. (Mon, 06 Jul 2015 23:15:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Message #15 received at 789524@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>
To: 789524@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#789524: upstart: Switching between init systems
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:11:50 -0700
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 11:26:00PM -0700, Cameron Norman wrote:
> I fail to see how Upstart can do much to change this since Upstart's
> reboot/telinit/shutdown/etc commands are not installed at the point where
> you invoke reboot.

> The only way to do it from Upstart's side is to proxy requests from external
> tools like systemctl or sysvinit's shutdown/telinit commands by:

> * listening to /dev/initctl like systemd has a special daemon for
> * taking systemd's name on the system bus so it can accept
> shutdown/reboot/etc requests

> The latter conflicts with systemd-shim's operation. It would be nigh
> impossible to do without doing it in the shim itself... grr.

upstart could certainly be adjusted to be compatible with the historical
sysvinit rpc protocol (i.e., /dev/initctl).  This has never been implemented
in upstart because supporting switching away from upstart has never been a
priority.  But it is a bug in upstart that this is not supported, given that
upstart is not the default in Debian.

Whether this bug is severe enough to warrant the label "critical" and
trigger removal from testing, I have no opinion.  The package has already
made it out the door in three stable releases with this issue; it doesn't
obviously improve matters for users to not have the option of upgrading to a
newer version of upstart, considering that's precisely the sort of situation
that would cause the user to try to switch init systems and run into this
bug at that point.

-- 
Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org
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Reply sent to Debian FTP Masters <ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org>:
You have taken responsibility. (Mon, 11 Jan 2016 05:31:50 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Notification sent to Kyle Amon <fleshenough@gmail.com>:
Bug acknowledged by developer. (Mon, 11 Jan 2016 05:31:50 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Message #20 received at 789524-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Debian FTP Masters <ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org>
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Cc: upstart@packages.debian.org, upstart@packages.qa.debian.org
Subject: Bug#808289: Removed package(s) from unstable
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 05:26:57 +0000
Version: 1.11-5+rm

Dear submitter,

as the package upstart has just been removed from the Debian archive
unstable we hereby close the associated bug reports.  We are sorry
that we couldn't deal with your issue properly.

For details on the removal, please see https://bugs.debian.org/808289

The version of this package that was in Debian prior to this removal
can still be found using http://snapshot.debian.org/.

This message was generated automatically; if you believe that there is
a problem with it please contact the archive administrators by mailing
ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Scott Kitterman (the ftpmaster behind the curtain)



Bug archived. Request was from Debbugs Internal Request <owner@bugs.debian.org> to internal_control@bugs.debian.org. (Mon, 05 Dec 2016 08:24:15 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Bug unarchived. Request was from Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Wed, 07 Dec 2016 01:41:34 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Bug archived. Request was from Debbugs Internal Request <owner@bugs.debian.org> to internal_control@bugs.debian.org. (Sun, 18 Jun 2017 07:28:35 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


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