Debian Bug report logs - #781376
oxygen-gtk3: Do not depend on libgtk-3-0

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Artur Rona <ari-tczew@tlen.pl>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: oxygen-gtk3: Do not depend on libgtk-3-0

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 11:08:47 +0100

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Package: src:oxygen-gtk3
Version: 1.4.1-2
Tags: patch
Usertags: origin-ubuntu ubuntu-patch vivid

In Ubuntu, we've applied the attached patch to achieve the following:

  * debian/rules:
     - Add dh_shlibdeps to not depend on libgtk-3-0.

We thought you might be interested in doing the same.

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Message #12 received at 781376@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org>

To: Artur Rona <ari-tczew@tlen.pl>, 781376@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] Bug#781376: oxygen-gtk3: Do not depend on libgtk-3-0

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 22:10:55 +1100

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On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 11:08:47 Artur Rona wrote:
> In Ubuntu, we've applied the attached patch to achieve the following:
> 
>    * debian/rules:
>       - Add dh_shlibdeps to not depend on libgtk-3-0.
>
> We thought you might be interested in doing the same.

Frankly I do not understand why would we want to do that.
Using "dh_shlibdeps -- -xlibgtk-3-0" seems wrong.
Why do you suggest such thing?

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All the best,
 Dmitry Smirnov
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Message #19 received at 781376@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com>

To: 781376@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] Bug#781376: Bug#781376: oxygen-gtk3: Do not depend on libgtk-3-0

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 09:48:36 -0400

The point of packages like this is to make gtk based applications look better when used in a Plasma environment. 

Consider the idea of an installation that includes no gtk applications to start with. In such an installation as this, the package has no immediate use, so not having a gtk depends does no harm and keeps gtk off a system where it's really not needed. 

Then later, when a gtk using application is installed, and gtk is pulled onto the system because of it, it will automatically look nice because the oxygen theme was already there. 

Scott K

Message #24 received at 781376@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org>

To: Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com>, 781376@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#781376: [Pkg-kde-extras] Bug#781376: Bug#781376: oxygen-gtk3: Do not depend on libgtk-3-0

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 11:41:44 +1000

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On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 09:48:36 Scott Kitterman wrote:
> The point of packages like this is to make gtk based applications look
> better when used in a Plasma environment.
> 
> Consider the idea of an installation that includes no gtk applications to
> start with. In such an installation as this, the package has no immediate
> use, so not having a gtk depends does no harm and keeps gtk off a system
> where it's really not needed.
> 
> Then later, when a gtk using application is installed, and gtk is pulled
> onto the system because of it, it will automatically look nice because the
> oxygen theme was already there.

I see... I do not like the idea of breaking valid package dependency. 
Oxygen-gtk3 is actually uses symbols from libgtk and it feels wrong to remove 
valid dependency for no good reason. Besides there may be situations when GTK 
application is not installed using package management system (e.g. from 
sources to /usr/local) in which case it won't be useful to have broken 
relationships between packages. When it is ever useful?

I am not convinced and I think little gain is not worth introducing RC-
critical bug (missing dependency).

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Cheers,
 Dmitry Smirnov
 GPG key : 4096R/53968D1B

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Message #29 received at 781376@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com>

To: 781376@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#781376: [Pkg-kde-extras] Bug#781376: Bug#781376: oxygen-gtk3: Do not depend on libgtk-3-0

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:20:35 -0400

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On Sunday, April 05, 2015 11:41:44 AM Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 09:48:36 Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > The point of packages like this is to make gtk based applications look
> > better when used in a Plasma environment.
> > 
> > Consider the idea of an installation that includes no gtk applications to
> > start with. In such an installation as this, the package has no immediate
> > use, so not having a gtk depends does no harm and keeps gtk off a system
> > where it's really not needed.
> > 
> > Then later, when a gtk using application is installed, and gtk is pulled
> > onto the system because of it, it will automatically look nice because the
> > oxygen theme was already there.
> 
> I see... I do not like the idea of breaking valid package dependency.
> Oxygen-gtk3 is actually uses symbols from libgtk and it feels wrong to
> remove valid dependency for no good reason. Besides there may be situations
> when GTK application is not installed using package management system (e.g.
> from sources to /usr/local) in which case it won't be useful to have broken
> relationships between packages. When it is ever useful?
> 
> I am not convinced and I think little gain is not worth introducing RC-
> critical bug (missing dependency).

That's the reason why it's excluded in the Ubuntu package (for Kubuntu 
installs which don't have GTK at all otherwise).  Your reasoning is certainly 
sound though and you've definitely got policy on your side.

Even if the difference between Debian and Ubuntu remains, at least both sides 
understand why it's there now.

Scott K

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Message #34 received at 781376-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Debian FTP Masters <ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org>

To: 772438-done@bugs.debian.org,781376-done@bugs.debian.org,790768-done@bugs.debian.org,793035-done@bugs.debian.org,

Cc: oxygen-gtk3@packages.debian.org, oxygen-gtk3@packages.qa.debian.org

Subject: Bug#797796: Removed package(s) from unstable

Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:53:30 +0000

Version: 1.4.1-2+rm

Dear submitter,

as the package oxygen-gtk3 has just been removed from the Debian archive
unstable we hereby close the associated bug reports.  We are sorry
that we couldn't deal with your issue properly.

For details on the removal, please see https://bugs.debian.org/797796

The version of this package that was in Debian prior to this removal
can still be found using http://snapshot.debian.org/.

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