Debian Bug report logs - #752633
php-compat is licensed under the PHP license and is not PHP

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Package: php-gearman
Severity: serious
User: paultag@debian.org
Usertags: ftp
X-Debbugs-CC: ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org
thanks

From the REJECT faq:

/
| You have a PHP add-on package (any php script/"app"/thing, not PHP
| itself) and it's licensed only under the standard PHP license. That
| license, up to the 3.x which is actually out, is not really usable for
| anything else than PHP itself. I've mailed our -legal list about that
| and got only one response, which basically supported my view on this.
| Basically this license talks only about PHP, the PHP Group, and includes
| Zend Engine, so its not applicable to anything else. And even worse,
| older versions include the nice ad-clause.
| 
| One good solution here is to suggest a license change to your upstream,
| as they clearly wanted a free one. LGPL or BSD seems to be what they
| want.
\

Sorry this made it through NEW,

Hope you're well, and thanks for your work,
  Paul

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Hi James & Herman,

The PHP extension for Gearman has just got into the Debian archive. We've
got the following reject about the license of the extension (see bellow).

Would you consider changing the license to another BSD style license?
(well, just not the PHP license which is intended PHP itself)

Kaplan

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org>wrote:

> Package: php-gearman
> Severity: serious
> User: paultag@debian.org
> Usertags: ftp
> X-Debbugs-CC: ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org
> thanks
>
> From the REJECT faq:
>
> /
> | You have a PHP add-on package (any php script/"app"/thing, not PHP
> | itself) and it's licensed only under the standard PHP license. That
> | license, up to the 3.x which is actually out, is not really usable for
> | anything else than PHP itself. I've mailed our -legal list about that
> | and got only one response, which basically supported my view on this.
> | Basically this license talks only about PHP, the PHP Group, and includes
> | Zend Engine, so its not applicable to anything else. And even worse,
> | older versions include the nice ad-clause.
> |
> | One good solution here is to suggest a license change to your upstream,
> | as they clearly wanted a free one. LGPL or BSD seems to be what they
> | want.
> \
>
> Sorry this made it through NEW,
>
>
> Hope you're well, and thanks for your work,
>   Paul
>
> --
>  .''`.  Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org>
> : :'  : Proud Debian Developer
> `. `'`  4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352  D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87
>  `-     http://people.debian.org/~paultag
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pkg-php-pecl mailing list
> Pkg-php-pecl@lists.alioth.debian.org
> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-pecl
>
>

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I believe most pecl extensions are licensed this way. I will certainly look into it though.
On Nov 1, 2013, at 3:38 AM, Lior Kaplan <kaplan@debian.org> wrote:

> Hi James & Herman,
> 
> The PHP extension for Gearman has just got into the Debian archive. We've got the following reject about the license of the extension (see bellow).
> 
> Would you consider changing the license to another BSD style license? (well, just not the PHP license which is intended PHP itself)
> 
> Kaplan
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org> wrote:
> Package: php-gearman
> Severity: serious
> User: paultag@debian.org
> Usertags: ftp
> X-Debbugs-CC: ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org
> thanks
> 
> From the REJECT faq:
> 
> /
> | You have a PHP add-on package (any php script/"app"/thing, not PHP
> | itself) and it's licensed only under the standard PHP license. That
> | license, up to the 3.x which is actually out, is not really usable for
> | anything else than PHP itself. I've mailed our -legal list about that
> | and got only one response, which basically supported my view on this.
> | Basically this license talks only about PHP, the PHP Group, and includes
> | Zend Engine, so its not applicable to anything else. And even worse,
> | older versions include the nice ad-clause.
> |
> | One good solution here is to suggest a license change to your upstream,
> | as they clearly wanted a free one. LGPL or BSD seems to be what they
> | want.
> \
> 
> Sorry this made it through NEW,
> 
> 
> Hope you're well, and thanks for your work,
>   Paul
> 
> --
>  .''`.  Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org>
> : :'  : Proud Debian Developer
> `. `'`  4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352  D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87
>  `-     http://people.debian.org/~paultag
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Pkg-php-pecl mailing list
> Pkg-php-pecl@lists.alioth.debian.org
> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-pecl
> 
> 

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Hi Herman,

thanks for getting back to us. Yes, they are, but you can check f.e. xcache (or was it xdebug?) how to adopt PHP license to your project.

O.
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Knot DNS (https://www.knot-dns.cz/) – a high-performance DNS server

> On 2. 11. 2013, at 9:16, "Herman J. Radtke III" <herman@hermanradtke.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe most pecl extensions are licensed this way. I will certainly look into it though.
>> On Nov 1, 2013, at 3:38 AM, Lior Kaplan <kaplan@debian.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi James & Herman,
>> 
>> The PHP extension for Gearman has just got into the Debian archive. We've got the following reject about the license of the extension (see bellow).
>> 
>> Would you consider changing the license to another BSD style license? (well, just not the PHP license which is intended PHP itself)
>> 
>> Kaplan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org> wrote:
>>> Package: php-gearman
>>> Severity: serious
>>> User: paultag@debian.org
>>> Usertags: ftp
>>> X-Debbugs-CC: ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> From the REJECT faq:
>>> 
>>> /
>>> | You have a PHP add-on package (any php script/"app"/thing, not PHP
>>> | itself) and it's licensed only under the standard PHP license. That
>>> | license, up to the 3.x which is actually out, is not really usable for
>>> | anything else than PHP itself. I've mailed our -legal list about that
>>> | and got only one response, which basically supported my view on this.
>>> | Basically this license talks only about PHP, the PHP Group, and includes
>>> | Zend Engine, so its not applicable to anything else. And even worse,
>>> | older versions include the nice ad-clause.
>>> |
>>> | One good solution here is to suggest a license change to your upstream,
>>> | as they clearly wanted a free one. LGPL or BSD seems to be what they
>>> | want.
>>> \
>>> 
>>> Sorry this made it through NEW,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hope you're well, and thanks for your work,
>>>   Paul
>>> 
>>> --
>>>  .''`.  Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org>
>>> : :'  : Proud Debian Developer
>>> `. `'`  4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352  D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87
>>>  `-     http://people.debian.org/~paultag
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pkg-php-pecl mailing list
>>> Pkg-php-pecl@lists.alioth.debian.org
>>> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-pecl
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Pkg-php-pecl mailing list
> Pkg-php-pecl@lists.alioth.debian.org
> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-pecl

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Control: reassign -1 ftp.debian.org
Control: retitle -1 Reassess PHP License usage for PHP PECL extensions

Hi Paul and rest of FTP Masters,

I am reassigning this bug to FTP Masters to solve it in between FTP
Masters.

Please note that Paul's interpretation would effectively lead to full
removal of PHP from the Debian archive - see the list of affected
packages in the bug (and in my previous email from May 27).

I concur that the PHP License 3.01 should not be used for random
software written *in* PHP language, but I don't agree that this clause
should be used for packages published on pear.php.net (PEAR libraries)
and pecl.php.net (PHP extensions).

I think the REJECT FAQ has to be changed and the interpretation needs to
be changed to allow PECL extensions and PEAR libraries to be licensed
under PHP License 3.01.

Cheers,
Ondrej

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013, at 14:20, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> Package: php-gearman
> Severity: serious
> User: paultag@debian.org
> Usertags: ftp
> X-Debbugs-CC: ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org
> thanks
> 
> From the REJECT faq:
> 
> /
> | You have a PHP add-on package (any php script/"app"/thing, not PHP
> | itself) and it's licensed only under the standard PHP license. That
> | license, up to the 3.x which is actually out, is not really usable for
> | anything else than PHP itself. I've mailed our -legal list about that
> | and got only one response, which basically supported my view on this.
> | Basically this license talks only about PHP, the PHP Group, and
> includes
> | Zend Engine, so its not applicable to anything else. And even worse,
> | older versions include the nice ad-clause.
> | 
> | One good solution here is to suggest a license change to your upstream,
> | as they clearly wanted a free one. LGPL or BSD seems to be what they
> | want.
> \
> 
> Sorry this made it through NEW,
> 
> 
> Hope you're well, and thanks for your work,
>   Paul
> 
> -- 
>  .''`.  Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org>
> : :'  : Proud Debian Developer
> `. `'`  4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352  D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87
>  `-     http://people.debian.org/~paultag
> _______________________________________________
> Pkg-php-pecl mailing list
> Pkg-php-pecl@lists.alioth.debian.org
> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-pecl
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Hi everyone,

I should have done this earlier before cloning the bugs, so here's
some more background on the bugs filled.

I did have a quite long and extensive chat with FTP Masters
and our conclusion was that PHP License (any version) is
suitable only for software that comes directly from "PHP Group",
that basically means only PHP (src:php5) itself.

We have several options to do here:

1. Ask upstream to re-license the software to different free license
- BSD or MIT/Expat is the closest one.

2. Show that the software in question does come from "PHP Group",
f.e. software based on src:php5 sources. Most notable example is
src:php-json which is copy of ext/json/ adapted to libjson-c-dev
instead of the included JSON-IS-EVIL library.

3. We remove the source packages from Debian.

One more note: PHP is *not* compatible with GPL[1]. If you have
sources that combine PHP-licensed source with GPL-licenced
source the result is not distributable. That includes linking GPL
library to PHP licenced source (e.g. libreadline as most notable
example of GPL library).

While doing the copyright research I have found two such examples
and Ansgar was that kind that he filled: #752625 and #752627

Full list of bugs filled under this:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=ondrej%40debian.org&tag=php-license-3.01

If you feel to dispute this please take your *well-formed* and
*well-thought*
arguments to debian-legal.

Ondrej
  [1] <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#PHP-3.01>
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As per the discussion in debian-devel@ ...

All of these are PEAR packages, which are hosted upstream in
pear.php.net. It's both the view of upstream, and the one of the FTP
masters (and it's been like this for YEARS) that they can be considered
being part of PHP. So it's perfectly fine to have them in Debian, and it
respects the licensing to call them php-*.

Thanks.

Thomas Goirand (zigo)

Debian Bug report logs - #752633 php-compat is licensed under the PHP license and is not PHP

Debian Bug report logs - #752633
php-compat is licensed under the PHP license and is not PHP