Debian Bug report logs - #746741
RM: python-support -- RoQA; obsolete helper, replaced by dh-python

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dimitri John Ledkov <xnox@debian.org>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: release.debian.org: dh-python2 transition

Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 07:48:03 +0100

Package: release.debian.org
Severity: normal

Dear release team,

Debian python teams would find useful to evaluate on continuous basis
removal of python-support from the archive and thus migrating to
dh-python2. We are uncertain of the scope, and the pace at which this
transition can be completed. But it would be extremely useful to have a
transition tracker setup (permanent-type ?!).

The following tracker was used in Ubuntu to remove python-support/python-central
from main suite:

Affected: .build-depends ~ /(^| )(python|python-dev|python-all|python-all-dev|python-support|python-central|dh-python)\s*([,(]|$)/ | .build-depends-indep ~ /(^| )(python|python-dev|python-all|python-all-dev|python-support|python-central|dh-python)\s*([,(]|$)/
Good: true
Bad: .depends ~ /python-central/ | .depends ~ /python-support/

Can such a tracker be setup please?

More details about the steps required to transition are documented at:
https://wiki.debian.org/Python/TransitionToDHPython2

If possible include that URL in the tracker description.

Regards,

Dimitri.

Message #10 received at 746741@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org>

To: Dimitri John Ledkov <xnox@debian.org>, 746741@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#746741: release.debian.org: dh-python2 transition

Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 10:54:08 +0200

On 03/05/14 08:48, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
> Package: release.debian.org
> Severity: normal
> 
> Dear release team,
> 
> Debian python teams would find useful to evaluate on continuous basis
> removal of python-support from the archive and thus migrating to
> dh-python2. We are uncertain of the scope, and the pace at which this
> transition can be completed. But it would be extremely useful to have a
> transition tracker setup (permanent-type ?!).

For the scope:

emilio@titan:~$ grep-dctrl -s Package -F Depends python-support
/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-amd64_Packages
| pkg2src | sort -u | wc -l
473
emilio@titan:~$ grep-dctrl -s Package -F Build-Depends python-support
/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources | wc -l
433

(build-rdeps gives 577, not sure why)

Nothing depends on python-central (it's even gone from sid and testing).

Regards,
Emilio

Message #15 received at 746741@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dimitri John Ledkov <xnox@debian.org>

To: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org>

Cc: 746741@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#746741: release.debian.org: dh-python2 transition

Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 16:14:46 +0100

On 3 May 2014 09:54, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org> wrote:
> On 03/05/14 08:48, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
>> Package: release.debian.org
>> Severity: normal
>>
>> Dear release team,
>>
>> Debian python teams would find useful to evaluate on continuous basis
>> removal of python-support from the archive and thus migrating to
>> dh-python2. We are uncertain of the scope, and the pace at which this
>> transition can be completed. But it would be extremely useful to have a
>> transition tracker setup (permanent-type ?!).
>
> For the scope:
>
> emilio@titan:~$ grep-dctrl -s Package -F Depends python-support
> /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-amd64_Packages
> | pkg2src | sort -u | wc -l
> 473
> emilio@titan:~$ grep-dctrl -s Package -F Build-Depends python-support
> /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources | wc -l
> 433
>
> (build-rdeps gives 577, not sure why)
>

I do suspect there are also transitive build-dependencies -> e.g. a
dh7 style package with compat level 7 invokes python-support, if
installed by e.g. any of the build-dependencies.

> Nothing depends on python-central (it's even gone from sid and testing).
>

True. In appears that python-central is still in ubuntu.

-- 
Regards,

Dimitri.

Message #20 received at 746741@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org>

To: Dimitri John Ledkov <xnox@debian.org>, 746741@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#746741: release.debian.org: dh-python2 transition

Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:46:50 +0200

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On Sat, May  3, 2014 at 07:48:03 +0100, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:

> Package: release.debian.org
> Severity: normal
> 
> Dear release team,
> 
> Debian python teams would find useful to evaluate on continuous basis
> removal of python-support from the archive and thus migrating to
> dh-python2. We are uncertain of the scope, and the pace at which this
> transition can be completed. But it would be extremely useful to have a
> transition tracker setup (permanent-type ?!).
> 
I don't think that makes much sense as a transition / tracker, as it's
not something rebuilds would fix or where it's hard to find the set of
affected packages.

Cheers,
Julien

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Message #25 received at 746741@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org>

To: Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org>, 746741@bugs.debian.org, Dimitri John Ledkov <xnox@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#746741: release.debian.org: dh-python2 transition

Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 22:59:56 +0200

On 05/05/14 15:46, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Sat, May  3, 2014 at 07:48:03 +0100, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
> 
>> Package: release.debian.org
>> Severity: normal
>>
>> Dear release team,
>>
>> Debian python teams would find useful to evaluate on continuous basis
>> removal of python-support from the archive and thus migrating to
>> dh-python2. We are uncertain of the scope, and the pace at which this
>> transition can be completed. But it would be extremely useful to have a
>> transition tracker setup (permanent-type ?!).
>>
> I don't think that makes much sense as a transition / tracker, as it's
> not something rebuilds would fix or where it's hard to find the set of
> affected packages.

FWIW, you may get a lot of things switched by emailing debian-devel@ with a
dd-list. And also by adding a lintian check.

Regards,
Emilio

Message #32 received at 746741-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: <georgesk@debian.org>

To: 746741-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#746741: fixed in scidavis 1.D5-1

Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 19:21:00 +0000

Source: scidavis
Source-Version: 1.D5-1

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
scidavis, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 746741@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
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georgesk@debian.org (supplier of updated scidavis package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 19:50:27 +0200
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Georges Khaznadar <georgesk@debian.org>
Changed-By: georgesk@debian.org
Description: 
 scidavis   - application for scientific data analysis and visualization
Closes: 746741
Changes: 
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 .
   * removed the build-dependency on python-support. Closes: #746741
   * upgraded Standards-Version to 3.9.5, debhelper dependency to 9
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Message #37 received at 746741@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk>

To: georgesk@debian.org

Cc: 746741@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#746741: fixed in scidavis 1.D5-1

Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 21:42:52 +0100

Control: reopen -1

On Sun, 2014-06-01 at 19:21 +0000, georgesk@debian.org wrote:
> email message attachment
> Source: scidavis
> Source-Version: 1.D5-1
> 
> We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
> scidavis, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.
[...]
>    * removed the build-dependency on python-support. Closes: #746741

No. Uploading your package does not cause the entire transition to be
finished.

Please do not close release.debian.org bugs in uploads.

Regards,

Adam

Message #48 received at 746741@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org>

To: 746741@bugs.debian.org, Dimitri John Ledkov <xnox@debian.org>

Cc: debian-python@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#746741: release.debian.org: dh-python2 transition

Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 13:45:36 +0000

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On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:59:56PM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> On 05/05/14 15:46, Julien Cristau wrote:
> > On Sat, May  3, 2014 at 07:48:03 +0100, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
> >> Debian python teams would find useful to evaluate on continuous basis
> >> removal of python-support from the archive and thus migrating to
> >> dh-python2. We are uncertain of the scope, and the pace at which this
> >> transition can be completed. But it would be extremely useful to have a
> >> transition tracker setup (permanent-type ?!).
> >>
> > I don't think that makes much sense as a transition / tracker, as it's
> > not something rebuilds would fix or where it's hard to find the set of
> > affected packages.
> 
> FWIW, you may get a lot of things switched by emailing debian-devel@ with a
> dd-list. And also by adding a lintian check.

I'm currently undergoing a sprint to push this to an end, I'm down to
~80 packages still affected, a handful already in deferred, and if I
continue with this pace I'm going to NMU/team upload all of them by the
end of the next week or so.

We came to a point where I think the number of affected packages is not
going down  by itself, since most of the packages have either the
maintianer that is de-facto MIA or the package is de-facto orphaned.

So I ask for permission to bump all those bugs to severity:serious, and
move on; that way I'll have the excuse to ask for RM: RoQA for a couple
of packages without feeling too guilty...


PS: let me guess, should this bug be reassigned to ftp-master for RM?
since you already stated -release is not the right place for this, and a
transition tracker is not really needed in this case.

-- 
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                        Mattia Rizzolo

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Message #53 received at 746741@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org>

To: Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org>, 746741@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#746741: release.debian.org: dh-python2 transition

Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 23:18:13 +0100

On 13/12/15 14:45, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:59:56PM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
>> On 05/05/14 15:46, Julien Cristau wrote:
>>> On Sat, May  3, 2014 at 07:48:03 +0100, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
>>>> Debian python teams would find useful to evaluate on continuous basis
>>>> removal of python-support from the archive and thus migrating to
>>>> dh-python2. We are uncertain of the scope, and the pace at which this
>>>> transition can be completed. But it would be extremely useful to have a
>>>> transition tracker setup (permanent-type ?!).
>>>>
>>> I don't think that makes much sense as a transition / tracker, as it's
>>> not something rebuilds would fix or where it's hard to find the set of
>>> affected packages.
>>
>> FWIW, you may get a lot of things switched by emailing debian-devel@ with a
>> dd-list. And also by adding a lintian check.
> 
> I'm currently undergoing a sprint to push this to an end, I'm down to
> ~80 packages still affected, a handful already in deferred, and if I
> continue with this pace I'm going to NMU/team upload all of them by the
> end of the next week or so.
> 
> We came to a point where I think the number of affected packages is not
> going down  by itself, since most of the packages have either the
> maintianer that is de-facto MIA or the package is de-facto orphaned.
> 
> So I ask for permission to bump all those bugs to severity:serious, and
> move on; that way I'll have the excuse to ask for RM: RoQA for a couple
> of packages without feeling too guilty...

That's too many. Maybe when the ones you plan to fix are done and there are only
a handful left that'll be fine.

> PS: let me guess, should this bug be reassigned to ftp-master for RM?
> since you already stated -release is not the right place for this, and a
> transition tracker is not really needed in this case.

Yes, feel free to reassign this and make it a removal bug.

Thanks for the work on this!

Emilio

Message #68 received at 746741-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Debian FTP Masters <ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org>

To: 746741-close@bugs.debian.org

Cc: python-support@packages.debian.org, python-support@packages.qa.debian.org

Subject: Bug#746741: Removed package(s) from unstable

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:43:35 +0000

We believe that the bug you reported is now fixed; the following
package(s) have been removed from unstable:

python-support |     1.0.15 | source, all

------------------- Reason -------------------
RoQA; obsolete helper, replaced by dh-python
----------------------------------------------

Note that the package(s) have simply been removed from the tag
database and may (or may not) still be in the pool; this is not a bug.
The package(s) will be physically removed automatically when no suite
references them (and in the case of source, when no binary references
it).  Please also remember that the changes have been done on the
master archive and will not propagate to any mirrors until the next
dinstall run at the earliest.

Packages are usually not removed from testing by hand. Testing tracks
unstable and will automatically remove packages which were removed
from unstable when removing them from testing causes no dependency
problems. The release team can force a removal from testing if it is
really needed, please contact them if this should be the case.

We try to close bugs which have been reported against this package
automatically. But please check all old bugs, if they were closed
correctly or should have been re-assigned to another package.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 746741@bugs.debian.org.

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