Debian Bug report logs - #732878
Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Otto Kekäläinen <otto@seravo.fi>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:50:48 +0200

Package: automysqlbackup
Severity: wishlist

MariaDB is an drop in replacement for MySQL. As MariaDB has just
landed in Debian unstable it would be a good time to include it in the
dependencies as an alternative to MySQL.

Please change in the debian/control any occurences of mysql-server and
mysql-client to "mariadb-server | mysql-server" and "mariadb-client |
mysql-client".

This way systems that have MariaDB installed instead of MySQL can use
this package without problems. While MariaDB is at the moment only in
Debian unstable, some users might have installed it from mariadb.org
or other sources to jessie or wheezy, so it does not hurt if this
package has these dependencies updated for older Debian releases too.

This is a very quick and safe change to do, and there is no urgency to
upload the package just for this small thing. Just update the
dependency (or suggest or recommends) lines in the debian/control file
and let the change propagate when there is something else to push too.

MariaDB packages in Debian:
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mariadb&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all


Thanks!

 - Otto

Message #10 received at 732878@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>

To: Otto Kekäläinen <otto@seravo.fi>, 732878@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#732878: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 15:27:42 +0800

On 12/23/2013 01:50 AM, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> Package: automysqlbackup
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> MariaDB is an drop in replacement for MySQL. As MariaDB has just
> landed in Debian unstable it would be a good time to include it in the
> dependencies as an alternative to MySQL.
> 
> Please change in the debian/control any occurences of mysql-server and
> mysql-client to "mariadb-server | mysql-server" and "mariadb-client |
> mysql-client".
> 
> This way systems that have MariaDB installed instead of MySQL can use
> this package without problems. While MariaDB is at the moment only in
> Debian unstable, some users might have installed it from mariadb.org
> or other sources to jessie or wheezy, so it does not hurt if this
> package has these dependencies updated for older Debian releases too.
> 
> This is a very quick and safe change to do, and there is no urgency to
> upload the package just for this small thing. Just update the
> dependency (or suggest or recommends) lines in the debian/control file
> and let the change propagate when there is something else to push too.
> 
> MariaDB packages in Debian:
> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mariadb&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
>  - Otto

Hi Otto,

First of all, thanks so much for maintaining MariaDB within Debian.

Don't you think it would be more reasonable if the mariadb-client
contained a Provides: mysql-client, rather than changing each and every
software dependency in Debian?

Adding debian-devel@, as I think it should be discussed more broadly.

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)

P.S: Do you know if the MariaDB package in Sid has the capability to run
in cluster, like for Galera?

Message #15 received at 732878@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org>

To: 732878@bugs.debian.org, Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#732878: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:36:30 +0100

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 ❦ 25 décembre 2013 08:27 CET, Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> :

> Don't you think it would be more reasonable if the mariadb-client
> contained a Provides: mysql-client, rather than changing each and every
> software dependency in Debian?

Maybe MariaDB wants to be the "default" MySQL implementation?
-- 
Make sure every module hides something.
            - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plauger)

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Message #20 received at 732878@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Otto Kekäläinen <otto@seravo.fi>

To: Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>

Cc: 732878@bugs.debian.org, Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>, pkg-mysql-maint <pkg-mysql-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#732878: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 01:13:15 +0200

2013/12/25 Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>:
> Don't you think it would be more reasonable if the mariadb-client
> contained a Provides: mysql-client, rather than changing each and every
> software dependency in Debian?

Currently the package contains "Provides: virtual-mysql-server" but I
guess this needs to be re-evaluated in the packaging team and the
rationale documented better, as I have already forgot why we ended up
with what we have now..

> P.S: Do you know if the MariaDB package in Sid has the capability to run
> in cluster, like for Galera?

No, but I might package MariaDB Galera Cluster later if I have time
and energy for additional packages. However before that I'll do
MariaDB 10.0 (Debian now only got 5.5).

Message #25 received at 732878@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Otto Kekäläinen <otto@seravo.fi>

To: Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>, Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>

Cc: 732878@bugs.debian.org, pkg-mysql-maint <pkg-mysql-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#732878: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:53:47 +0200

Hello,

2013/12/25 Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>:
> Don't you think it would be more reasonable if the mariadb-client
> contained a Provides: mysql-client, rather than changing each and every
> software dependency in Debian?
>
> Adding debian-devel@, as I think it should be discussed more broadly.


We discussed this on the pkg-maint-mysql list and the recommended policy is now:

All packages that at the moment depend directly on mysql-client should
instead have something like:

Depends: the-one-they-tested-with | virtual-mysql-client
(or Suggests or Recommends)

At the moment in unstable the packages mysql-server-5.5 and
mariadb-server-5.5 have
Provides: mysql-virtual-server

and mysql-client-5-5 and mariadb-client-5.5 have
Provides: mysql-virtual-client

Later when other versions are uploaded to Debian (e.g. MySQL 5.6,
MariaDB 10, Percona etc) they will include the same provides as long
as they are compatible enough with MySQL 5.5 to be
drop-in-replacements.

Does this sound OK?

Message #30 received at 732878@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>

To: Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>

Cc: 732878@bugs.debian.org, pkg-mysql-maint <pkg-mysql-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#732878: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:45:31 +0800

On 12/30/2013 11:53 PM, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 2013/12/25 Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>:
>> Don't you think it would be more reasonable if the mariadb-client
>> contained a Provides: mysql-client, rather than changing each and every
>> software dependency in Debian?
>>
>> Adding debian-devel@, as I think it should be discussed more broadly.
> 
> 
> We discussed this on the pkg-maint-mysql list and the recommended policy is now:
> 
> All packages that at the moment depend directly on mysql-client should
> instead have something like:
> 
> Depends: the-one-they-tested-with | virtual-mysql-client
> (or Suggests or Recommends)
> 
> At the moment in unstable the packages mysql-server-5.5 and
> mariadb-server-5.5 have
> Provides: mysql-virtual-server
> 
> and mysql-client-5-5 and mariadb-client-5.5 have
> Provides: mysql-virtual-client
> 
> Later when other versions are uploaded to Debian (e.g. MySQL 5.6,
> MariaDB 10, Percona etc) they will include the same provides as long
> as they are compatible enough with MySQL 5.5 to be
> drop-in-replacements.
> 
> Does this sound OK?

Hi,

This sounds much much better than listing each and every *-client
package indeed.

Thomas

Message #35 received at 732878@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Otto Kekäläinen <otto@seravo.fi>

To: Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>, Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>

Cc: 732878@bugs.debian.org, pkg-mysql-maint <pkg-mysql-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#732878: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:33:13 +0200

2013/12/30 Otto Kekäläinen <otto@seravo.fi>:
> We discussed this on the pkg-maint-mysql list and the recommended policy is now:
>
> All packages that at the moment depend directly on mysql-client should
> instead have something like:
>
> Depends: the-one-they-tested-with | virtual-mysql-client
> (or Suggests or Recommends)
>
> At the moment in unstable the packages mysql-server-5.5 and
> mariadb-server-5.5 have
> Provides: mysql-virtual-server
>
> and mysql-client-5-5 and mariadb-client-5.5 have
> Provides: mysql-virtual-client
>
> Later when other versions are uploaded to Debian (e.g. MySQL 5.6,
> MariaDB 10, Percona etc) they will include the same provides as long
> as they are compatible enough with MySQL 5.5 to be
> drop-in-replacements.
>
> Does this sound OK?


Just for the record, I've written down now this policy at
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/MySQL/virtual-mysql-server and it is now
in effect as there was no other contersuggestions, and both the MySQL
packages and MariaDB packages in Debian already abide to this policy.


-- 
Otto Kekäläinen
+358 44 566 2204
http://seravo.fi/

Message #40 received at 732878@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Luca Capello <luca@pca.it>

To: Otto Kekäläinen <otto@seravo.fi>

Cc: Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>, Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>, 732878@bugs.debian.org, pkg-mysql-maint <pkg-mysql-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#732878: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 16:52:59 +0100

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Hi there!

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:53:47 +0100, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> 2013/12/25 Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>:
>> Don't you think it would be more reasonable if the mariadb-client
>> contained a Provides: mysql-client, rather than changing each and every
>> software dependency in Debian?
>>
>> Adding debian-devel@, as I think it should be discussed more broadly.
>
>
> We discussed this on the pkg-maint-mysql list and the recommended policy is now:
>
> All packages that at the moment depend directly on mysql-client should
> instead have something like:
>
> Depends: the-one-they-tested-with | virtual-mysql-client
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> (or Suggests or Recommends)
>
> At the moment in unstable the packages mysql-server-5.5 and
> mariadb-server-5.5 have
> Provides: mysql-virtual-server
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> and mysql-client-5-5 and mariadb-client-5.5 have
> Provides: mysql-virtual-client
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
While doing the necessary changes for #732879 for Bacula, I found that
the above names mismatch: which are the correct one?  The same confusion
is on the Debian wiki:

  <https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/MySQL/virtual-mysql-server?action=recall&rev=2>

Moreover, I suppose the MySQL team use the virtual packages privately as
per Debian Policy "§ 3.6 Virtual packages", otherwise please ask for the
inclusion in that document:

  <https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-virtual_pkg>

  All packages should use virtual package names where appropriate, and
  arrange to create new ones if necessary. They should not use virtual
  package names (except privately, amongst a cooperating group of
  packages) unless they have been agreed upon and appear in the list of
  virtual package names. (See also Virtual packages - Provides, Section
  7.5)

As a final note, AFAIK no other (virtual or not) package contains the
"virtual" name in it (except for the old java-virtual-machine or other
packages for obvious reasons, like virtualbox).  I guess in this case
the different choice was driven by the fact that we already have "real"
package names for mysql-[server|client].  However, I could not find any
reasoning in the pkg-mysql-maint@ mailing list, which reminds me of the
question Thomas asked at the beginning of this bug ;-)

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

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Message #45 received at 732878@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Otto Kekäläinen <otto@seravo.fi>

To: Luca Capello <luca@pca.it>

Cc: 732878@bugs.debian.org, pkg-mysql-maint <pkg-mysql-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#732878: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:58:54 +0200

Hello Luca,

2014-01-19 Luca Capello <luca@pca.it>:
> While doing the necessary changes for #732879 for Bacula, I found that
> the above names mismatch: which are the correct one?  The same confusion
> is on the Debian wiki:
>
>   <https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/MySQL/virtual-mysql-server?action=recall&rev=2>

While updating the MariaDB package to .35 I re-read this message. Note
that there are actually two virtual packages, depending if your
package needs the client or the server. So there is no name mismatch,
you just choose the one depending on if you need client or server.

Message #50 received at 732878@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Luca Capello <luca@pca.it>

To: Otto Kekäläinen <otto@seravo.fi>

Cc: 732878@bugs.debian.org, pkg-mysql-maint <pkg-mysql-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#732878: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 16:05:28 +0100

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Hi Otto,

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:58:54 +0100, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> 2014-01-19 Luca Capello <luca@pca.it>:
>> While doing the necessary changes for #732879 for Bacula, I found that
>> the above names mismatch: which are the correct one?  The same confusion
>> is on the Debian wiki:
>>
>>   <https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/MySQL/virtual-mysql-server?action=recall&rev=2>
>
> While updating the MariaDB package to .35 I re-read this message. Note
> that there are actually two virtual packages, depending if your
> package needs the client or the server. So there is no name mismatch,
> you just choose the one depending on if you need client or server.

I know the difference between a client and a server, so please let me
underline with "^^^" where the mismatch is in the above link:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
All packages that at the moment depend directly on mysql-client should
instead have something like:

 Depends: the-one-they-tested-with | virtual-mysql-client
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

(or Suggests or Recommends)

At the moment in unstable the packages mysql-server-5.5 and
mariadb-server-5.5 have

 Provides: mysql-virtual-server
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

and mysql-client-5-5 and mariadb-client-5.5 have

 Provides: mysql-virtual-client
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

And there is still no pointer to the reasoning behind such names.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

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Message #55 received at 732878@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Otto Kekäläinen <otto@seravo.fi>

To: Luca Capello <luca@pca.it>

Cc: 732878@bugs.debian.org, pkg-mysql-maint <pkg-mysql-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#732878: Add MariaDB as an alternative dependency

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:30:00 +0200

Clint:
> All packages that at the moment depend directly on mysql-client should
> instead have something like:
>
>  Depends: the-one-they-tested-with | virtual-mysql-client

Otto:
> At the moment in unstable the packages mysql-server-5.5 and
> mariadb-server-5.5 have
>
>  Provides: mysql-virtual-server
>
> and mysql-client-5-5 and mariadb-client-5.5 have
>
>  Provides: mysql-virtual-client

The correct name is 'virtual-mysql-server' with virtual first, and
also 'virtual-mysql-client'. My text above had typo and the original
text from Clint was correct.


> And there is still no pointer to the reasoning behind such names.

This name has been decided in the pkg-mysql-maint group I believe a
long time ago and currently in use in MySQL packages. I cannot point
to any message URL as I don't know exactly who or when made this
decision, but at least recent query on the team mailing list showed
that the decision is not going to be reverted now.

Message #60 received at 732878@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org>

To: 732878@bugs.debian.org

Subject: please prioritise...

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 12:02:40 +1000

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Please prioritise this issue. I'd very much like to backup my MariaDB instance 
with "automysqlbackup" but they are not installable together. Is there 
anything I could do to help? Perhaps gentle NMU could be considered?

Thanks.

-- 
Cheers,
 Dmitry Smirnov
 GPG key : 4096R/53968D1B

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Message #65 received at 732878@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>

To: Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org>, 732878@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#732878: please prioritise...

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:23:42 +0800

On 07/23/2014 10:02 AM, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
> Please prioritise this issue. I'd very much like to backup my MariaDB instance 
> with "automysqlbackup" but they are not installable together. Is there 
> anything I could do to help? Perhaps gentle NMU could be considered?
> 
> Thanks.

Hi,

Sorry, indeed, I left that one behind. This is fixed and upload, sorry
for it took so long.

Thomas

Message #70 received at 732878-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>

To: 732878-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#732878: fixed in automysqlbackup 2.6+debian.4-1

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:34:10 +0000

Source: automysqlbackup
Source-Version: 2.6+debian.4-1

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
automysqlbackup, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 732878@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> (supplier of updated automysqlbackup package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:40:58 +0000
Source: automysqlbackup
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org>
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Description:
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