Debian Bug report logs - #730991
ITA: festvox-czech-krb -- Czech child speaker for Festival

Package: wnpp; Maintainer for wnpp is wnpp@debian.org;

Reported by: Milan Zamazal <pdm@debian.org>

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:42:01 UTC

Owned by: tts-project@lists.alioth.debian.org

Severity: normal

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From: Milan Zamazal <pdm@debian.org>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: RFA: festvox-czech-krb -- Czech child speaker for Festival
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:39:11 +0100
Package: wnpp
Severity: normal

On behalf of Boris Dušek, the current official sponsored maintainer of
the package, I'm looking for a new maintainer of the package.  The
package is trivial to maintain.

If nobody takes it, I'll take it over but I'll still be looking for a
new maintainer.




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From: Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org>
To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Cc: 730983@bugs.debian.org, 730985@bugs.debian.org, 730987@bugs.debian.org, 730988@bugs.debian.org, 730989@bugs.debian.org, 730991@bugs.debian.org, 730990@bugs.debian.org, 730997@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Orphaning several accessibility packages
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 11:47:02 +0100
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Hi Milan and all other readers,

On 30-11-13 21:01, Milan Zamazal wrote:
> I orphan and offer for adoption several accessibility packages:

Thank you for bringing this up on debian-a11y. I think for most, if not
all, packages the a11y team is a good team to do the maintenance. I am
not filing ITA just yet, but if nobody else steps in between, I intend
to do so soon.

Just to be sure: looking at the versions in Debian, most seem rather
stable. Are you aware of urgent or upcoming changes that need attention.

> - On behalf of Boris Dušek and myself, I offer all Czech Festival voices
>   (festvox-czech-ph -- bug #730988, festvox-czech-dita -- bug #730989,
>   festvox-czech-krb -- bug #730991, festvox-czech-machac -- bug #730990)
>   as well as festival-czech package (WNPP bug #730997) for adoption.
>   They are easy to maintain.  I understand there aren't many maintainers
>   with interest in Czech speech synthesis around, so I'll try to
>   continue maintaining the packages if nobody wants them, but I'd like
>   to find a better maintainer for them.

Does this list have any czech speaking (or better: listening) readers? I
think maintaining those in this team could be done, but I can't judge
the language, which makes me slightly hesitant. I can do the
preparation, but I like other to check the voices.

Paul


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From: Peter Drysdale <drysdalepete@gmail.com>
To: Samuel Thibault <sthibault@debian.org>, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <texou@accelibreinfo.eu>, Sergio Oller <sergioller@gmail.com>, 730983@bugs.debian.org, 730985@bugs.debian.org, 730987@bugs.debian.org, 730988@bugs.debian.org, 730989@bugs.debian.org, 730991@bugs.debian.org, 730990@bugs.debian.org, 730997@bugs.debian.org, debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org, Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org>
Subject: Festival Voices and Czech voices
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:01:58 +1100
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Dear Fellow Debian TTS gourp members, Debian a11y group members,

Recently Czech voices for festival have been offered for adoption.

As a founding member of the Debian TTS (text to speech) group which
maintains festival and speech tools
it suggests to me that the natural place to maintain Czech festival voices
is within the TTS group.

The advantages I can see is that:

1) Problems with voices are likely to be dependent on the changes in new
versions of festival as
voices evolve quite slowly in general.

2) TTS group have experience with the festival/speech-tools codebase and
thus have a bit
of experience with how festvox voices in the general sense are created and
how they function in the
Festival/Speech-tools framework.

The major disadvantage is that:

1) Currently the TTS team has no Czech speaker. Although the team is
fortunate to have speakers
of a number of different languages.

The question becomes how can Debian provide Czech voices for its community.
In the absence of a Czech speaker rapidly offering to take on the Czech
festival voices I make the
following proposal.

Although I am not a Czech speaker, I care enough particularly about fellow
Czech Debian community
to ask to bring Czech voices within the TTS group and work on it for the
Debian community.

I would be happy to integrate the voices into TTS groups alioth facilities,
monitors bugs lists, test
the voices with changes to festival/speech-tools.

I suspect that any problems with voices are likely to be all or nothing. It
works or its substantially
broken. Subtle problems might be detectable by people familiar with the
broad language family,
a Rosetta Stone (more on this later)  and sufficient motivation and a
desire to work with bug filers to
fix the problems.

The Czech lanaguage is partially intelligible to me (I am familiar with
another Eastern European language).

So what is this Rosetta stone I am suggesting?
In order for festival team members to look after the voices a set of
reference encodings would be generated
for the team which would be kept in their repository for testing purposes.
They would be moderate sized reference texts in the language and the
equivalent sound files rendered by festival voices.
This would guard against a fairly large range of faults in TTS generation
which would be obvious to
a motivated non-speaker. The more subtle faults could be checked with bug
filers and by a more
rare reaching out to the Czech Debian community for listening tests.

This effectively separates the need and interest in understanding how
voices are created and maintained
from the ability to native speak the language which would only require us
to find occasional listeners or have
them show interest through bug filling. My proposal intends to use the
limited resources of the Debian
community by separating interest in speech generation and technical aspects
with a outreaching
to native listeners who may not be interested in developing interest in
the technical aspects of voice maintainence.

I ask for comments from fellow TTS members, a11y team members and the
current maintainers for
on whether this is likely to be a workable scheme.
I also specifically ask if the retiring Czech voice maintainers would be
interested
in a short collaboration of creating
10-20 minutes of sound files from representative texts of Czech to act as a
Rosetta Stone for verifying
the voices during maintainence and to be included in our git repository.

Opinions Please?

best regards,
Peter Drysdale
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From: Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org>
To: Peter Drysdale <drysdalepete@gmail.com>
Cc: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <texou@accelibreinfo.eu>, Sergio Oller <sergioller@gmail.com>, 730983@bugs.debian.org, 730985@bugs.debian.org, 730987@bugs.debian.org, 730988@bugs.debian.org, 730989@bugs.debian.org, 730991@bugs.debian.org, 730990@bugs.debian.org, 730997@bugs.debian.org, debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Festival Voices and Czech voices
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2013 10:34:38 +0100
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Hi Peter, hi all,

On 08-12-13 00:01, Peter Drysdale wrote:
> Recently Czech voices for festival have been offered for adoption.

Which was indeed mentioned on d-a11y [1].

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2013/11/msg00068.html

> As a founding member of the Debian TTS (text to speech) group 

Oops, in my response [2] to [1] I had completely forgotten about that
group. Where can I find more info on this group?

[2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2013/12/msg00004.html

> which maintains festival and speech tools it suggests to me that the
> natural place to maintain Czech festival voices is within the TTS
> group.

Indeed, if that group is active (which I assume it is). Please regard
this e-mail as my agreement that you take the festival packages. To be
clear though, do you also want to take speech dispatcher?

By the way, I recently took emacspeak into a11y maintenance, but do you
think it belongs more in the TTS group (or maybe only the engines used
by it)?

Paul

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From: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe <mengualjeanphi@free.fr>
To: Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org>, Peter Drysdale <drysdalepete@gmail.com>
Cc: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <texou@accelibreinfo.eu>, Sergio Oller <sergioller@gmail.com>, 730983@bugs.debian.org, 730985@bugs.debian.org, 730987@bugs.debian.org, 730988@bugs.debian.org, 730989@bugs.debian.org, 730991@bugs.debian.org, 730990@bugs.debian.org, 730997@bugs.debian.org, debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Festival Voices and Czech voices
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2013 10:52:24 +0100
Hi,

I fully agree to have these packages maintained by the TTS group. It was 
created for such purpose, although I do not make it active for time 
reasons. But it is an excellent idea. We can assume the group is active 
and ready to maintain this. I add that anyway, the fact that we don't 
speak Czech isn't a big problem, in particular because packaging doesn't 
imply to use and speak czech. Obviously, if Peter has some Czech network 
to help us, it's still better!

Thanks again for your work and ask if I can help, even if I know I'm not 
very active just now.

Regards,

Le 08/12/2013 10:34, Paul Gevers a écrit :
> Hi Peter, hi all,
>
> On 08-12-13 00:01, Peter Drysdale wrote:
>> Recently Czech voices for festival have been offered for adoption.
> Which was indeed mentioned on d-a11y [1].
>
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2013/11/msg00068.html
>
>> As a founding member of the Debian TTS (text to speech) group
> Oops, in my response [2] to [1] I had completely forgotten about that
> group. Where can I find more info on this group?
>
> [2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2013/12/msg00004.html
>
>> which maintains festival and speech tools it suggests to me that the
>> natural place to maintain Czech festival voices is within the TTS
>> group.
> Indeed, if that group is active (which I assume it is). Please regard
> this e-mail as my agreement that you take the festival packages. To be
> clear though, do you also want to take speech dispatcher?
>
> By the way, I recently took emacspeak into a11y maintenance, but do you
> think it belongs more in the TTS group (or maybe only the engines used
> by it)?
>
> Paul
>


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From: Peter Drysdale <drysdalepete@gmail.com>
To: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe <mengualjeanphi@free.fr>
Cc: Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org>, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <texou@accelibreinfo.eu>, Sergio Oller <sergioller@gmail.com>, 730983@bugs.debian.org, 730985@bugs.debian.org, 730987@bugs.debian.org, 730988@bugs.debian.org, 730989@bugs.debian.org, 730991@bugs.debian.org, 730990@bugs.debian.org, 730997@bugs.debian.org, debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Festival Voices and Czech voices
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 23:47:07 +1100
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Dear Paul, Jean-Philippe, Fellow TTS members and a11y members,

Paul's email has raised some important considerations.

Just some further clarification while we gather/await opinions from other
TTS and a11y team members:

1) Apologies for not being clear with regard to speech-dispatcher. I had
not considered this for the TTS group since
I assumed it fell directly within a11y group's expertise. Is this the
opinion of a11y team members?

2) I had not formed an opinion with regard to festival-freebsoft-utils. It
would appear to lie right on the border
between TTS and a11y programs which drive TTS. All of this package is
written in festival's Scheme implementation.
It is a small package and I would not want it to be long orphaned.
For TTS group - uses same Scheme dialect which TTS group maintains for
festival - maintainence burden would be low.
For a11y group - freebsoft-utils is closely tied to speech-dispatcher -
a11y group has more users which would be doing
on going testing of this functionality.
If a11y do not pick it up, I would say that TTS probably would feel a
strong moral obligation to pick up freebsoft-utils.
It has a fairly high popcon (people find it useful) and links closely with
the festival/spech-tools packages we maintain.
In a sense it is really the glue program between our two groups. I look
forward to your opinions.

I look forward to this continuing dialogue,

very best regards,
Peter Drysdale
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From: Samuel Thibault <sthibault@debian.org>
To: Peter Drysdale <drysdalepete@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Festival Voices and Czech voices
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 20:28:56 +0100
Peter Drysdale, le Sun 08 Dec 2013 10:01:58 +1100, a écrit :
> I ask for comments from fellow TTS members, a11y team members and the current
> maintainers for
> on whether this is likely to be a workable scheme.

I think so.

Thanks for taking care of these.

Samuel



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From: Peter Drysdale <drysdalepete@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Festival Voices and Czech voices
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:39:29 +1100
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Dear All,

This email is to make it official. TTS will adopt festival-czech plus the
individual czech voices.
We will also adopt freebsoft utils which is written solely in festival's
internal dialect.

@Milan - Thanks for your reply regards default encoding. I now have the
voices working on the README.cs
file. I am just doing a light familiarization with the source. I will email
you directly in the next few weeks about
a short text Czech sample text once I have a better feel of what would be
useful for testing.

I will be setting up alioth git repositories for packaging soon so all TTS
members will have access to packaging.

best regards,
Peter

P.S. The TTS group is welcoming for contributors who have an interest in
text to speech. TTS group
adopting these packages is not intended to exclude anyone who wishes to
contribute to Czech
voices.



>
> I think so.
>
> Thanks for taking care of these.
>
> Samuel
>
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From: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe <mengualjeanphi@free.fr>
To: Peter Drysdale <drysdalepete@gmail.com>
Cc: Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org>, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <texou@accelibreinfo.eu>, Sergio Oller <sergioller@gmail.com>, 730983@bugs.debian.org, 730985@bugs.debian.org, 730987@bugs.debian.org, 730988@bugs.debian.org, 730989@bugs.debian.org, 730991@bugs.debian.org, 730990@bugs.debian.org, 730997@bugs.debian.org, debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Festival Voices and Czech voices
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 12:20:51 +0100
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Hi,

In my opinion,

    PD> festival-freebsoft-utils would usefully be maintained by tts group. Moreover, I think that speech-dispatcher is more related to TTS than a11y. Indeed, this package does not imply any skills in a11y matter, but rather in TTS matter. Just because it's only a pipe between a screen reader and a speech synthetiser. So, no skill are needed in screen reader. However, it's fully related to speech synthetisers (pipe, drivers, etc.). Just as pico.

Regards,
 

Le 08/12/2013 13:47, Peter Drysdale a écrit :
> Dear Paul, Jean-Philippe, Fellow TTS members and a11y members,
>
> Paul's email has raised some important considerations.
>
> Just some further clarification while we gather/await opinions from 
> other TTS and a11y team members:
>
> 1) Apologies for not being clear with regard to speech-dispatcher. I 
> had not considered this for the TTS group since
> I assumed it fell directly within a11y group's expertise. Is this the 
> opinion of a11y team members?
>
> 2) I had not formed an opinion with regard to 
> festival-freebsoft-utils. It would appear to lie right on the border
> between TTS and a11y programs which drive TTS. All of this package is 
> written in festival's Scheme implementation.
> It is a small package and I would not want it to be long orphaned.
> For TTS group - uses same Scheme dialect which TTS group maintains for 
> festival - maintainence burden would be low.
> For a11y group - freebsoft-utils is closely tied to speech-dispatcher 
> - a11y group has more users which would be doing
> on going testing of this functionality.
> If a11y do not pick it up, I would say that TTS probably would feel a 
> strong moral obligation to pick up freebsoft-utils.
> It has a fairly high popcon (people find it useful) and links closely 
> with the festival/spech-tools packages we maintain.
> In a sense it is really the glue program between our two groups. I 
> look forward to your opinions.
>
> I look forward to this continuing dialogue,
>
> very best regards,
> Peter Drysdale
>


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