Debian Bug report logs - #725615
[INTL:da] Danish translation of the debconf templates apt-listdifferences

Package: apt-listdifferences; Maintainer for apt-listdifferences is Michael Gilbert <mgilbert@debian.org>; Source for apt-listdifferences is src:apt-listdifferences.

Reported by: Joe Dalton <joedalton2@yahoo.dk>

Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 21:06:17 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Tags: l10n, patch

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Report forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Michael Gilbert <mgilbert@debian.org>:
Bug#725615; Package apt-listdifferences. (Sun, 06 Oct 2013 21:06:21 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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From: Joe Dalton <joedalton2@yahoo.dk>
To: "submit@bugs.debian.org" <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Cc: "debian-l10n-danish@lists.debian.org" <debian-l10n-danish@lists.debian.org>
Subject: [INTL:da] Danish translation of the debconf templates apt-listdifferences
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 22:04:32 +0100 (BST)
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Package: apt-listdifferences
Severity: wishlist
Tags: l10n patch

Please include the attached Danish apt-listdifferences translations.

joe@pc:~/over/debian/apt-listdifferences$ msgfmt --statistics -c -v -o /dev/null da.po
da.po: 5 oversatte tekster.

bye
Joe
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Bug#725615; Package apt-listdifferences. (Tue, 08 Oct 2013 17:54:23 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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From: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>
To: 725615@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#725615: [INTL:da] Danish translation of the debconf templates apt-listdifferences
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 18:57:38 +0200
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Quoting Joe Dalton (joedalton2@yahoo.dk):
> Package: apt-listdifferences
> Severity: wishlist
> Tags: l10n patch
> 
> Please include the attached Danish apt-listdifferences translations.
> 
> joe@pc:~/over/debian/apt-listdifferences$ msgfmt --statistics -c -v -o /dev/null da.po
> da.po: 5 oversatte tekster.


Fixed da.po file (unfuzzy after correting the double space and wrongly
spelled program name)

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Bug#725615; Package apt-listdifferences. (Fri, 11 Oct 2013 05:27:07 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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From: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>
To: 725615@bugs.debian.org, debian-l10n-english@lists.debian.org
Subject: [ITR] templates://dovecot/{dovecot-core.templates}
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:16:29 +0200
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Dear Debian maintainer,

The Debian internationalisation team and the Debian English
localisation team will soon begin the review of the debconf
templates used in dovecot.

This review takes place for all packages that use debconf to interact with
users and its aims are:
- to improve the use of English in all debconf templates;
- to make the wording of debconf templates more consistent;
- to encourage more translations of templates.

Even if your first language is English, this process is likely to help
track down typos or errors, and improve consistency between the
debconf templates of your package and that of other packages in the
distribution.

The process involves both debian-l10n-english contributors and
Debian translators.

The details of the process are given in
http://wiki.debian.org/I18n/SmithDebconfReviewProcess.

I will act as the coordinator of this activity for dovecot.

The first step of the process is to review the debconf source
template file(s) of dovecot. This review will start on Monday, October 14, 2013, or
as soon as you acknowledge this mail with an agreement for us to
carry out this process.

All parts of the process will be carried out in close collaboration
with you, and, unless you explicitely ask for it, no upload nor NMU
will happen for dovecot.

If you approve this process, please let us know by replying to this
mail. If some work in progress on your side would conflict with such a
rewrite (such as adding or removing debconf templates), please say so,
and we will defer the review to later in the development cycle.

Thank you for your attention.

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Bug#725615; Package apt-listdifferences. (Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:57:04 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to debian-l10n-english@lists.debian.org:
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From: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>
To: 725615@bugs.debian.org, debian-l10n-english@lists.debian.org
Subject: [RFR] templates://dovecot/{dovecot-core.templates}
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:34:29 +0200
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Please find, for review, the debconf templates and packages descriptions for the dovecot source package.

This review will last from Tuesday, October 15, 2013 to Friday, October 25, 2013.

Please send reviews as unified diffs (diff -u) against the original
files. Comments about your proposed changes will be appreciated.

Your review should be sent as an answer to this mail.

When appropriate, I will send intermediate requests for review, with
"[RFRn]" (n>=2) as a subject tag.

When we will reach a consensus, I send a "Last Chance For
Comments" mail with "[LCFC]" as a subject tag.

Finally, a summary will be sent to the review bug report,
and a mail will be sent to this list with "[BTS]" as a subject tag.

Rationale:
--- dovecot.old/debian/dovecot-core.templates	2013-10-06 08:22:06.491851895 +0200
+++ dovecot/debian/dovecot-core.templates	2013-10-15 08:04:53.037656342 +0200
@@ -1,23 +1,25 @@
 Template: dovecot-core/ssl-cert-exists
-Type: note
-_Description: SSL certificate in the wrong location
- You already have SSL certs for dovecot.  However you should move them out of 
- /etc/ssl and into /etc/dovecot and update the configuration in
- /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-ssl.conf accordingly.
+Type: error
+_Description: Wrong location for SSL certificates
+ This machine uses SSL certificates for Dovecot. These certificates
+ should be moved from /etc/ssl to /etc/dovecot and Dovecots's
+ configuration file (/etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-ssl.conf) should be updated
+ accordingly.
  .
- See /usr/share/doc/dovecot-core/README.Debian.gz for details."
+ Please read /usr/share/doc/dovecot-core/README.Debian.gz for details.

Make this template an "error". Anyway, debconf notes are Evil..:)

Also avoid personnalization ("You have").

 
 Template: dovecot-core/create-ssl-cert
 Type: boolean
 Default: true
 _Description: Create a self-signed SSL certificate?
- In order to use IMAP or POP3 over SSL/TLS you will need a certificate.  It
- looks like you don't have one.  If this is incorrect, answer false to this
- question.  Make sure you have the proper configuration for your certificate
- set up in /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-ssl.conf.
+ An SSL certificate is needed in order to use IMAP or POP3 over SSL/TLS.
+ No such certificate was found.
  .
- Answer true if you would like dovecot to create a self-signed certificate for
- you.
+ Please choose whether you want to create one now. This will then be a
+ self-signed certificate.
+ .
+ If you choose not to create a certificate, please adapt Dovecot's
+ configuration file (/etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-ssl.conf).

I partly rephrased this template to avoid making reference to
debconf widgets (true/false, which might be "Yes" or "No" or "Oui" or
"Non" or acheckbow, etc.).

Also split into paragraphs to make it clearer.

 
 Template: dovecot-core/ssl-cert-name
 Type: string
@@ -25,4 +27,4 @@
 _Description: Host name:
  Please enter the host name to use in the SSL certificate.
  .
- It will become the 'commonName' field of the generated SSL certificate.
+ It will become the "commonName" field of the generated SSL certificate.

Just use double quotes as we do everywhere else.

--- dovecot.old/debian/control	2013-10-06 08:22:06.491851895 +0200
+++ dovecot/debian/control	2013-10-15 08:10:12.338572494 +0200
@@ -16,7 +16,7 @@
 Provides: dovecot-common
 Replaces: dovecot-common (<< 1:2.0.14-2~), mailavenger (<< 0.8.1-4)
 Breaks: dovecot-common (<< 1:2.0.14-2~), mailavenger (<< 0.8.1-4)
-Description: secure mail server that supports mbox, maildir, dbox and mdbox mailboxes
+Description: secure mail server with mbox/maildir/dbox/mdbox - core files
  Dovecot is a mail server whose major goals are security and extreme
  reliability. It tries very hard to handle all error conditions and verify that
  all data is valid, making it nearly impossible to crash. It should also be

I just changed the synopsis everywhere to use a common part and a
variable part (recommended practice).

I'm balanced about keeping the "with mbox/maildir/dbox/mdbox". It
makes the synopsis fairly long. How abou tjust "secure mail server"
(which is not completly true as Dovecot is not a full server from the
end user POV, not including an SMTP server)

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Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Michael Gilbert <mgilbert@debian.org>:
Bug#725615; Package apt-listdifferences. (Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:57:04 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Justin B Rye <justin.byam.rye@gmail.com>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Michael Gilbert <mgilbert@debian.org>. (Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:57:05 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #25 received at 725615@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Justin B Rye <justin.byam.rye@gmail.com>
To: debian-l10n-english@lists.debian.org
Cc: 725615@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: [RFR] templates://dovecot/{dovecot-core.templates}
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 22:55:17 +0100
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Christian PERRIER wrote:
>  Template: dovecot-core/ssl-cert-exists

>  Template: dovecot-core/create-ssl-cert

This all makes sense to me.

>  Template: dovecot-core/ssl-cert-name
>  _Description: Host name:
>   Please enter the host name to use in the SSL certificate.
>   .
> + It will become the "commonName" field of the generated SSL certificate.

Arguably "hostname", but here I think it doesn't matter.

> 
> --- dovecot.old/debian/control	2013-10-06 08:22:06.491851895 +0200
> +++ dovecot/debian/control	2013-10-15 08:10:12.338572494 +0200
> @@ -16,7 +16,7 @@
>  Provides: dovecot-common
>  Replaces: dovecot-common (<< 1:2.0.14-2~), mailavenger (<< 0.8.1-4)
>  Breaks: dovecot-common (<< 1:2.0.14-2~), mailavenger (<< 0.8.1-4)
> -Description: secure mail server that supports mbox, maildir, dbox and mdbox mailboxes
                                                                    ^
That at least needs an extra comma for consistency with the last line
of the boilerplate!

> +Description: secure mail server with mbox/maildir/dbox/mdbox - core files

That would need to be "with mbox/maildir/dbox/mdbox support" or "for
mbox/maildir/dbox/mdbox" or something.  And isn't it capital-M
Maildir?

>   Dovecot is a mail server whose major goals are security and extreme
>   reliability. It tries very hard to handle all error conditions and verify that
>   all data is valid, making it nearly impossible to crash. It should also be
>   pretty fast, extensible, and portable.
>   .
>   This package contains the dovecot main server and its command line utility.
>
> I just changed the synopsis everywhere to use a common part and a
> variable part (recommended practice).
> 
> I'm balanced about keeping the "with mbox/maildir/dbox/mdbox". It
> makes the synopsis fairly long. How abou tjust "secure mail server"
> (which is not completly true as Dovecot is not a full server from the
> end user POV, not including an SMTP server)

Indeed, "mail server" would suggest to me that it was an SMTP rather
than IMAP/POP3 server - these descriptions don't really say anything
to set me straight if I thought that was the "main server" I'd get by
running "aptitude install dovecot-core".  Maybe calling it a "mail
system" would be enough?  It makes me wish people used the term
"mailbox server"...

And the support for "mbox, maildir, dbox and mdbox" really seems more
like material for the long description, since mbox/Maildir support is
routine and (m)dbox is Dovecot-specific.

So how about:

   Description: secure mail system - core files
    Dovecot is a mail server whose major goals are security and extreme
    reliability. It tries very hard to handle all error conditions and verify
    that all data is valid, making it nearly impossible to crash. It supports
    mbox/Maildir and its own dbox/mdbox formats, and should also be pretty
    fast, extensible, and portable.

-- 
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	sysadmin, and probably no clue about this particular package
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Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Michael Gilbert <mgilbert@debian.org>:
Bug#725615; Package apt-listdifferences. (Wed, 16 Oct 2013 05:15:09 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>:
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Message #30 received at 725615@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>
To: 725615@bugs.debian.org, debian-l10n-english@lists.debian.org, 725466@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Mixup of apt-listdifferences and dovecot English reviews
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 07:02:46 +0200
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Hello apt-listdifferences and dovecot package maintainers, as well as
dle contributors....

I mixed up reviews of English texts for these packages in bug
#725615. Reviews for dovecot went to this bug report, which is about
apt-listdifferences.

Sorry for this.

I just bounced to #725466 everything that's relevant for dovecot.

Please followup there when it comes at dovecot....with apologies to
apt-listdifferences maintainer who was probably a bit staring at these
mails...:-)

#725615 still contains the review for apt-listdifferences, also (for
this package we're currently at "call for translations" step)

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From: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>
To: debian-l10n-english@lists.debian.org, 725615@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#725615: [RFR]
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 06:55:38 +0200
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Quoting Justin B Rye (justin.byam.rye@gmail.com):

> So how about:
> 
>    Description: secure mail system - core files

I think this is the core of this review: finding a good synopsis for
Dovecot.:-)

For me, Dovecot is a mail "distribution" server. This is indeed how we
call it, in my workplace (where the incoming/outbound SMTP server is
separated fromthe "end-user" mail server.

However, that term of "distribution" is a bit ambiguous for sysadmins.

My problem with "mail system" is that Dovecot does not offer all mail
funtionalities, not being able to send/receive mail to/from other
systems, so calling it "mail system" might be misleading.


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Bug#725615; Package apt-listdifferences. (Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:09:09 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Justin B Rye <justin.byam.rye@gmail.com>:
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Message #40 received at 725615@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Justin B Rye <justin.byam.rye@gmail.com>
To: debian-l10n-english@lists.debian.org
Cc: 725615@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#725615: [RFR]
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:05:23 +0100
Christian PERRIER wrote:
> For me, Dovecot is a mail "distribution" server. This is indeed how we
> call it, in my workplace (where the incoming/outbound SMTP server is
> separated fromthe "end-user" mail server.
> 
> However, that term of "distribution" is a bit ambiguous for sysadmins.
> 
> My problem with "mail system" is that Dovecot does not offer all mail
> funtionalities, not being able to send/receive mail to/from other
> systems, so calling it "mail system" might be misleading.

And "distribution" to me mainly implies "dispatching" (as in a
snailmail "distribution centre").  Wracking my brains...

 * "mailbox server";
 * "inbound mail server" (an inbound server?);
 * "mail access server" (sounds like IMAP-only);
 * "mail retrieval server" (sounds like POP3-only);
 * "mail delivery server" (sounds like LMTP-only);
 * just "IMAP/POP3(/LMTP) server"...

I can't decide which is least bad.  Maybe "access"?
-- 
JBR	with qualifications in linguistics, experience as a Debian
	sysadmin, and probably no clue about this particular package



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Bug#725615; Package apt-listdifferences. (Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:15:04 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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Message #45 received at 725615@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org>
To: debian-l10n-english@lists.debian.org, 725615@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#725615: [RFR]
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:44:20 +0200
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Quoting Justin B Rye (justin.byam.rye@gmail.com):

>  * "mailbox server";
>  * "inbound mail server" (an inbound server?);
>  * "mail access server" (sounds like IMAP-only);
>  * "mail retrieval server" (sounds like POP3-only);
>  * "mail delivery server" (sounds like LMTP-only);
>  * just "IMAP/POP3(/LMTP) server"...
> 
> I can't decide which is least bad.  Maybe "access"?

I'd say the latter. IMHO, the vast majority of Dovecot uses is for
POP3/IMAP services....

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