Debian Bug report logs - #711811
ITP: ruby-foreman -- manage Procfile-based applications

Package: wnpp; Maintainer for wnpp is wnpp@debian.org;

Reported by: Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:48:02 UTC

Owned by: Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>

Severity: wishlist

Tags: pending

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Bug#711811; Package wnpp. (Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:48:06 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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From: Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: ITP: foreman -- manage Procfile-based applications
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 02:46:22 +0200
Subject: ITP: foreman -- manage Procfile-based applications
Package: wnpp
Owner: Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>
Severity: wishlist

* Package name    : foreman
  Version         : 0.63.0
  Upstream Author : David Dollar <david@dollar.io>
* URL             : http://github.com/ddollar/foreman
* License         : MIT
  Programming Lang: Ruby
  Description     : manage Procfile-based applications

 Foreman is a manager for Procfile-based applications. Its aim is to abstract
 away the details of the Procfile format, and allow you to either run your
 application directly or export it to some other process management format.



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Bug#711811; Package wnpp. (Mon, 10 Jun 2013 01:51:04 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Faidon Liambotis <paravoid@debian.org>:
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Message #10 received at 711811@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Faidon Liambotis <paravoid@debian.org>
To: Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>
Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, 711811@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: ITP: foreman -- manage Procfile-based applications
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 04:48:57 +0300
On 06/10/13 03:46, Per Andersson wrote:
> * Package name    : foreman
>    Version         : 0.63.0
>    Upstream Author : David Dollar <david@dollar.io>
> * URL             : http://github.com/ddollar/foreman
> * License         : MIT
>    Programming Lang: Ruby
>    Description     : manage Procfile-based applications
>
>   Foreman is a manager for Procfile-based applications. Its aim is to abstract
>   away the details of the Procfile format, and allow you to either run your
>   application directly or export it to some other process management format.

There's a more popular/more complicated piece of software called 
Foreman[1], for which there's an RFP already[2], as well as a component 
of that, foremancli, already in Debian. Upstream provides a package too, 
although you could argue it isn't our problem if there's a naming conflict.

Nevertheless, I think it'd be best to avoid a package naming conflict 
between the two apparently completely unrelated applications.

Oh, and BTW, you should probably explain what a Procfile is on the long 
description of your package as it's not immediately obvious.

Regards,
Faidon

1: http://www.theforeman.org/
2: http://bugs.debian.org/663101



Added tag(s) pending. Request was from Anibal Monsalve Salazar <anibal@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:06:06 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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Bug#711811; Package wnpp. (Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:21:04 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>:
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Message #17 received at 711811@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>
To: Faidon Liambotis <paravoid@debian.org>
Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, 711811@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: ITP: foreman -- manage Procfile-based applications
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:16:16 +0200
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:48 AM, Faidon Liambotis <paravoid@debian.org> wrote:
> On 06/10/13 03:46, Per Andersson wrote:
>>
>> * Package name    : foreman
>>    Version         : 0.63.0
>>    Upstream Author : David Dollar <david@dollar.io>
>> * URL             : http://github.com/ddollar/foreman
>> * License         : MIT
>>    Programming Lang: Ruby
>>    Description     : manage Procfile-based applications
>>
>>   Foreman is a manager for Procfile-based applications. Its aim is to
>> abstract
>>   away the details of the Procfile format, and allow you to either run
>> your
>>   application directly or export it to some other process management
>> format.
>
>
> There's a more popular/more complicated piece of software called Foreman[1],
> for which there's an RFP already[2], as well as a component of that,
> foremancli, already in Debian. Upstream provides a package too, although you
> could argue it isn't our problem if there's a naming conflict.

I saw this but decided to ignore it for now since there hasn't been any activity
with Foreman in over a year. If the name conflict arise in Debian it is a pretty
small matter to change it then I think. I.e. Foreman[1] renaming to
theforeman as
the upstream web page or this foreman renaming to ruby-foreman or some such,
it is not a big thing IMHO.


> Nevertheless, I think it'd be best to avoid a package naming conflict
> between the two apparently completely unrelated applications.

I agree.


> Oh, and BTW, you should probably explain what a Procfile is on the long
> description of your package as it's not immediately obvious.

I will add this.


Thanks for taking the time to make Debian better!


Best,
Per

> Regards,
> Faidon
>
> 1: http://www.theforeman.org/
> 2: http://bugs.debian.org/663101



Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, wnpp@debian.org, Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>:
Bug#711811; Package wnpp. (Sat, 22 Jun 2013 02:24:04 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org>:
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Message #22 received at 711811@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org>
To: Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>
Cc: Faidon Liambotis <paravoid@debian.org>, debian-devel@lists.debian.org, 711811@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: ITP: foreman -- manage Procfile-based applications
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 04:11:02 +0200
On 13249 March 1977, Per Andersson wrote:

>> There's a more popular/more complicated piece of software called Foreman[1],
>> for which there's an RFP already[2], as well as a component of that,
>> foremancli, already in Debian. Upstream provides a package too, although you
>> could argue it isn't our problem if there's a naming conflict.
> I saw this but decided to ignore it for now since there hasn't been any activity
> with Foreman in over a year. If the name conflict arise in Debian it is a pretty
> small matter to change it then I think. I.e. Foreman[1] renaming to
> theforeman as
> the upstream web page or this foreman renaming to ruby-foreman or some such,
> it is not a big thing IMHO.

In Debian its actually a pretty big matter. The more so the longer the
wrongly named package exists in Debian. So it is *much* preferred to not
have it at all, if the conflict is known from the beginning.

-- 
bye, Joerg



Changed Bug title to 'ITP: ruby-foreman -- manage Procfile-based applications' from 'ITP: foreman -- manage Procfile-based applications' Request was from Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:27:07 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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Bug#711811; Package wnpp. (Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:54:07 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>:
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Message #29 received at 711811@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>
To: Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org>, 711811@bugs.debian.org, Per Andersson <avtobiff@gmail.com>, Faidon Liambotis <paravoid@debian.org>, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#711811: ITP: foreman -- manage Procfile-based applications
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:52:14 +0200
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> wrote:
> On 13249 March 1977, Per Andersson wrote:
>
>>> There's a more popular/more complicated piece of software called Foreman[1],
>>> for which there's an RFP already[2], as well as a component of that,
>>> foremancli, already in Debian. Upstream provides a package too, although you
>>> could argue it isn't our problem if there's a naming conflict.
>> I saw this but decided to ignore it for now since there hasn't been any activity
>> with Foreman in over a year. If the name conflict arise in Debian it is a pretty
>> small matter to change it then I think. I.e. Foreman[1] renaming to
>> theforeman as
>> the upstream web page or this foreman renaming to ruby-foreman or some such,
>> it is not a big thing IMHO.
>
> In Debian its actually a pretty big matter. The more so the longer the
> wrongly named package exists in Debian. So it is *much* preferred to not
> have it at all, if the conflict is known from the beginning.

I came to the same conclusion myself.

I asked ftpmasters to reject the uploaded foreman from NEW, which they did.

Package is since renamed to ruby-foreman (as can be seen in the bug title),
although not uploaded yet.


Best,
Per



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