Debian Bug report logs - #700287
[neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:44:03 -0500

Package: neverball
Version: 1.5.4-5
Severity: minor
Tags: l10n upstream
X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-l10n-french@lists.debian.org
X-Debbugs-Cc: mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com

After a ball is lost or a level completed, the player can save a replay 
or continue to the next level. The first button is labelled "Save 
Replay" in English, or "Sauver un film" in French. I think the 
translation will be understood by most, but it's not great.
"Sauver un film" is related to the translations "Film" (Replay), "Films" 
(Replay) and many others: https://s.snth.net/svn/neverball/trunk/po/fr.po
I do not consider "Film" as a great translation of "Replay". "Film" 
generally doesn't mean replay, and I do not remember seeing "film" used 
in that sense except in Neverball. "Reprise" may be a better 
translation, but "film" is found in many strings.

However, I think "sauver" is more problematic. "Save" can be translated 
to "sauver" in certain cases as in "Save someone from a certain death", 
but it isn't always a proper translation. In this case, it is considered 
as an anglicism. "Enregistrer" is preferred: 
http://gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=26508220#eng
"Enregister le film" would be an improvement.

Forwarding this report upstream would be most welcome, I simply couldn't 
manage to open a ticket there (I can't see how to create a Trac account).

Message #10 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Mehdi Yousfi-Monod <mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>, 700287@bugs.debian.org

Cc: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:00:25 +0100

Hi,

I'm mym, I did most Neverball French translations.
I do agree on the meaning of words "sauver" and "enregistrer". The
latter fits better. The reason I preferred "sauver" and "film" over
other words is because they are short which better fits with the GUI.

Now I'm not sure that point really matters. I would now prefer a better meaning.
However the word "reprise" sounds weird to me. The word "replay" can
also be used in French and I haven't found any satisfying translation.

mym

2013/2/11 Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>:
> Package: neverball
> Version: 1.5.4-5
> Severity: minor
> Tags: l10n upstream
> X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-l10n-french@lists.debian.org
> X-Debbugs-Cc: mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com
>
> After a ball is lost or a level completed, the player can save a replay or
> continue to the next level. The first button is labelled "Save Replay" in
> English, or "Sauver un film" in French. I think the translation will be
> understood by most, but it's not great.
> "Sauver un film" is related to the translations "Film" (Replay), "Films"
> (Replay) and many others: https://s.snth.net/svn/neverball/trunk/po/fr.po
> I do not consider "Film" as a great translation of "Replay". "Film"
> generally doesn't mean replay, and I do not remember seeing "film" used in
> that sense except in Neverball. "Reprise" may be a better translation, but
> "film" is found in many strings.
>
> However, I think "sauver" is more problematic. "Save" can be translated to
> "sauver" in certain cases as in "Save someone from a certain death", but it
> isn't always a proper translation. In this case, it is considered as an
> anglicism. "Enregistrer" is preferred:
> http://gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=26508220#eng
> "Enregister le film" would be an improvement.
>
> Forwarding this report upstream would be most welcome, I simply couldn't
> manage to open a ticket there (I can't see how to create a Trac account).



-- 
Mehdi Yousfi-Monod

Message #20 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: Mehdi Yousfi-Monod <mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com>, 700287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:49:53 -0500

Hi Mehdi :-)

On 2013-02-12 09:00, Mehdi Yousfi-Monod wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm mym, I did most Neverball French translations.
> I do agree on the meaning of words "sauver" and "enregistrer". The
> latter fits better. The reason I preferred "sauver" and "film" over
> other words is because they are short which better fits with the GUI.

I suspected that. Regarding "sauver", both "enregistrer" and 
"sauvegarder" are 5 characters longer. However, the screen where the 
label appears has plenty of room so I don't see a technical problem, 
although a longer label may be unaesthetic. There's also the possibility 
of labelling it simply "Enregistrer" or "Conserver", but I doubt new 
users would understand the meaning.
"Conserver" is only 3 characters longer than "sauver".


>
> Now I'm not sure that point really matters. I would now prefer a better meaning.
> However the word "reprise" sounds weird to me. The word "replay" can
> also be used in French and I haven't found any satisfying translation.

"Reprise [vidéo]" is common in Quebec, but it may not be in France. It 
may not be a great term neither - it also has several other senses. This 
use would be in the sense "Action de représenter, de diffuser à nouveau 
un spectacle, un film, une émission ": 
http://www.larousse.com/en/dictionnaires/francais/reprise/68500
A literal translation of "Replay" would be "Relecture", but this is 
somewhat misleading - if the replay is a "relecture", what was the 
(initial) "lecture"? The first view (the one live) is not read, it's 
just computed.

As for using "replay" is French, although I'm sure most would 
understand, I'd rather keep "film" than to go with a pure English word.

If "reprise" is uncommon outside Quebec, requesting advice from other 
communities might be warranted (traduc.org?).
>
> mym
>
> 2013/2/11 Filipus Klutiero<chealer@gmail.com>:
>> Package: neverball
>> Version: 1.5.4-5
>> Severity: minor
>> Tags: l10n upstream
>> X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-l10n-french@lists.debian.org
>> X-Debbugs-Cc: mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com
>>
>> After a ball is lost or a level completed, the player can save a replay or
>> continue to the next level. The first button is labelled "Save Replay" in
>> English, or "Sauver un film" in French. I think the translation will be
>> understood by most, but it's not great.
>> "Sauver un film" is related to the translations "Film" (Replay), "Films"
>> (Replay) and many others: https://s.snth.net/svn/neverball/trunk/po/fr.po
>> I do not consider "Film" as a great translation of "Replay". "Film"
>> generally doesn't mean replay, and I do not remember seeing "film" used in
>> that sense except in Neverball. "Reprise" may be a better translation, but
>> "film" is found in many strings.
>>
>> However, I think "sauver" is more problematic. "Save" can be translated to
>> "sauver" in certain cases as in "Save someone from a certain death", but it
>> isn't always a proper translation. In this case, it is considered as an
>> anglicism. "Enregistrer" is preferred:
>> http://gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=26508220#eng
>> "Enregister le film" would be an improvement.
>>
>> Forwarding this report upstream would be most welcome, I simply couldn't
>> manage to open a ticket there (I can't see how to create a Trac account).
>
>

Message #25 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Mehdi Yousfi-Monod <mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Cc: 700287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:58:40 +0100

> I suspected that. Regarding "sauver", both "enregistrer" and "sauvegarder"
> are 5 characters longer. However, the screen where the label appears has
> plenty of room so I don't see a technical problem, although a longer label
> may be unaesthetic.

Agreed.
"Enregistrer" sounds better for me.

> There's also the possibility of labelling it simply
> "Enregistrer" or "Conserver", but I doubt new users would understand the
> meaning.

Agreed.

> "Reprise [vidéo]" is common in Quebec, but it may not be in France.

Oh, that's why your English is far better than mine :)
I confirm. I don't remember hearing this word in that sense.

> It may
> not be a great term neither - it also has several other senses. This use
> would be in the sense "Action de représenter, de diffuser à nouveau un
> spectacle, un film, une émission ":
> http://www.larousse.com/en/dictionnaires/francais/reprise/68500
> A literal translation of "Replay" would be "Relecture", but this is somewhat
> misleading - if the replay is a "relecture", what was the (initial)
> "lecture"? The first view (the one live) is not read, it's just computed.

True :)
Regarding "relecture", it makes me think of the act of reading a text again :-/

> As for using "replay" is French, although I'm sure most would understand,
> I'd rather keep "film" than to go with a pure English word.

Shino (the other early FR translator) and I had the same opinion.

> If "reprise" is uncommon outside Quebec, requesting advice from other
> communities might be warranted (traduc.org?).

Good idea!

BTW, are you an official translator of Neverball or will I have to do
the translation by myself? :)

mym

Message #30 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: Mehdi Yousfi-Monod <mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com>, 700287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:44:03 -0500

On 2013-02-14 10:58, Mehdi Yousfi-Monod wrote:
> [...]
>> It may
>> not be a great term neither - it also has several other senses. This use
>> would be in the sense "Action de représenter, de diffuser à nouveau un
>> spectacle, un film, une émission ":
>> http://www.larousse.com/en/dictionnaires/francais/reprise/68500
>> A literal translation of "Replay" would be "Relecture", but this is somewhat
>> misleading - if the replay is a "relecture", what was the (initial)
>> "lecture"? The first view (the one live) is not read, it's just computed.
> True :)
> Regarding "relecture", it makes me think of the act of reading a text again :-/

Oh, right, or correcting a text. "Revisionnement" may be more accurate, 
but in any case these words wouldn't refer to the data that allows 
replaying, they would refer to the act of replaying.
>> As for using "replay" is French, although I'm sure most would understand,
>> I'd rather keep "film" than to go with a pure English word.
> Shino (the other early FR translator) and I had the same opinion.
>
>> If "reprise" is uncommon outside Quebec, requesting advice from other
>> communities might be warranted (traduc.org?).
> Good idea!
>
> BTW, are you an official translator of Neverball or will I have to do
> the translation by myself? :)
>
>

I'm just an official user of Neverball, and a reporter of the very few 
bugs I managed to find in it :-)

P.S. Congratulations for your levels. Completing your set was a huge 
challenge, and I haven't managed to renew it with the new levels sets.

Message #35 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Mehdi Yousfi-Monod <mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Cc: 700287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:54:32 +0100

>> Regarding "relecture", it makes me think of the act of reading a text
>> again :-/
>
> Oh, right, or correcting a text. "Revisionnement" may be more accurate, but
> in any case these words wouldn't refer to the data that allows replaying,
> they would refer to the act of replaying.

True. Though I cannot find any better alternative right now :-/
Maybe we could have a look at French translations in games with a
similar replay concept?
In X-Moto they use "replays"...

> I'm just an official user of Neverball, and a reporter of the very few bugs
> I managed to find in it :-)

Yeah, the dev team and particularly parasti are very good at tracking
and removing bugs.

> P.S. Congratulations for your levels. Completing your set was a huge
> challenge, and I haven't managed to renew it with the new levels sets.

Thank you. I really enjoyed designing levels. Also it's a pleasure to
have such feedback :)

mym

Message #40 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: traduc@traduc.org, 700287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Traduction de "replay"

Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:38:20 -0500

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Bonjour, le jeu 3D Neverball permet d'enregistrer un "replay" des essais 
du joueur. Présentement, ces "replays" sont appelés "films". Ce n'est 
pas une traduction outrageuse, mais il me semble que ça laisse à 
désirer. Après une discussion avec Mehdi Yousfi-Monod, principal 
traducteur francophone de Neverball, nous n'avons pas pu trouver une 
alternative convaincante. Mehdi a regardé du côté de X-Moto pour 
inspiration, mais n'y a trouvé que... "replay" :-/ Je m'en remets donc à 
traduc.org.

Comme indiqué dans le billet où notre discussion a été initiée ( 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=700287 ) plusieurs 
alternatives ont été considérées :

 * Reprise. Semble rare dans ce sens en France. Plusieurs autres sens
 * Relecture. Problème sémantique (pas de "lecture" première). A
   d'autres sens


Devrait-on choisir un autre terme? Garder "film"?

Prière de m'adresser vos réponses
Merci

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Message #45 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: Mehdi Yousfi-Monod <mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com>, 700287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:17:27 -0500

On 2013-02-19 09:54, Mehdi Yousfi-Monod wrote:
>>> Regarding "relecture", it makes me think of the act of reading a text
>>> again :-/
>> Oh, right, or correcting a text. "Revisionnement" may be more accurate, but
>> in any case these words wouldn't refer to the data that allows replaying,
>> they would refer to the act of replaying.
> True. Though I cannot find any better alternative right now :-/
> Maybe we could have a look at French translations in games with a
> similar replay concept?
> In X-Moto they use "replays"...

Ah, good idea - less interesting result :-/

So I asked traduc.org: 
http://listes.traduc.org/pipermail/traduc/2013-February/007934.html
I'm afraid there are no great propositions so far. I don't like 
"Ralenti" nor "rediffusion" since the initial play is not a broadcast. 
"Enregistrement" is the proposition I like best.

I suggest we just fix the "sauver" for now.
>> I'm just an official user of Neverball, and a reporter of the very few bugs
>> I managed to find in it :-)
> Yeah, the dev team and particularly parasti are very good at tracking
> and removing bugs.

They must be :-)

[...]

Message #50 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Mehdi Yousfi-Monod <mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Cc: 700287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:39:28 +0100

>> In X-Moto they use "replays"...
> Ah, good idea - less interesting result :-/

"Replay" has the advantages of being short, unambiguous and well
understood by French speakers. I tend to favor the ease of
communication over the 100% French based words. Recurrent debate here,
I know ;)

> So I asked traduc.org:
> http://listes.traduc.org/pipermail/traduc/2013-February/007934.html
> I'm afraid there are no great propositions so far. I don't like "Ralenti"
> nor "rediffusion" since the initial play is not a broadcast.

Agreed. And it is not slowed down.

> "Enregistrement" is the proposition I like best.

Among French words I agree. But "enregistrement" is a general term
including many types of recordings like audio,text or any king of
signal, while replay seems univocal to me.

mym

Message #55 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stephen Kitt <steve@sk2.org>

To: Mehdi Yousfi-Monod <mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com>, 700287@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:04:39 +0100

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Hi,

On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:39:28 +0100, Mehdi Yousfi-Monod
<mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> In X-Moto they use "replays"...
> > Ah, good idea - less interesting result :-/
> 
> "Replay" has the advantages of being short, unambiguous and well
> understood by French speakers. I tend to favor the ease of
> communication over the 100% French based words. Recurrent debate here,
> I know ;)
> 
> > So I asked traduc.org:
> > http://listes.traduc.org/pipermail/traduc/2013-February/007934.html
> > I'm afraid there are no great propositions so far. I don't like "Ralenti"
> > nor "rediffusion" since the initial play is not a broadcast.
> 
> Agreed. And it is not slowed down.

Why not ask debian-l10n-french?

Regards,

Stephen

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Message #60 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: Stephen Kitt <steve@sk2.org>

Cc: 700287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:38:00 -0500

On 2013-02-24 13:04, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:39:28 +0100, Mehdi Yousfi-Monod
> <mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> In X-Moto they use "replays"...
>>> Ah, good idea - less interesting result :-/
>> "Replay" has the advantages of being short, unambiguous and well
>> understood by French speakers. I tend to favor the ease of
>> communication over the 100% French based words. Recurrent debate here,
>> I know ;)
>>
>>> So I asked traduc.org:
>>> http://listes.traduc.org/pipermail/traduc/2013-February/007934.html
>>> I'm afraid there are no great propositions so far. I don't like "Ralenti"
>>> nor "rediffusion" since the initial play is not a broadcast.
>> Agreed. And it is not slowed down.
> Why not ask debian-l10n-french?
>
>
Unfortunately, this seems offtopic there:

> Discussion forum for the translators of Debian-specific packages and 
> documentation to the French language.
(I am not even a translator)

Message #63 received at 700287-submitter@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de>

To: 700287-submitter@bugs.debian.org

Cc: mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com

Subject: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 19:11:54 +0200

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tags 700287 moreinfo
thanks

Hello and thanks for your bug report.

After reading the whole bug report, it seems to me, you both have not
reached a conclusion yet. I'm inclined to work on this bug as long as we
can reach a consensus about the correct translation of "Save Replay" in
French.

I would like to suggest that Filipus simply opens a thread at the
official forum and then asks the developers to improve the translation.

http://forum.nevercorner.net/

I believe it's not a good idea to change the translation only in Debian,
this is something upstream should take care of.

Perhaps Mehdi can help you to get in contact with the right people
upstream, so changing the translation will be quick and easy.

Regards,

Markus

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Message #70 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: 700287@bugs.debian.org, control@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de>, mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 22:53:18 -0400

tags 700287 - moreinfo
thanks

Hi Markus,

On 2013-05-23 13:11, Markus Koschany wrote:
> tags 700287 moreinfo
> thanks
>
> Hello and thanks for your bug report.
>
> After reading the whole bug report, it seems to me, you both have not
> reached a conclusion yet. I'm inclined to work on this bug as long as we
> can reach a consensus about the correct translation of "Save Replay" in
> French.

This ticket certainly shouldn't stay open forever. At this point we can conclude that a good translation is difficult to find. Which is why I proposed to just fix the "Sauver" for now. Although we didn't find a perfect translation even for "Sauver", I'm proposing to go with "Enregistrer". To be clear, I am proposing to translate "Save Replay" to "Enregistrer un film" until we get better ideas. This may not be a pure improvement over the current translation - I would prefer something clearer and shorter - but I believe Mehdi and I both consider that as an overall improvement.

I will consider this ticket as resolved if the translation is changed to "Enregistrer un film" and will consider opening a new ticket about "film" when this one is closed.
>
> I would like to suggest that Filipus simply opens a thread at the
> official forum and then asks the developers to improve the translation.
>
> http://forum.nevercorner.net/

You're welcome to do that, but as I already opened a thread on traduc.org which helped little, I doubt opening a thread in a small community for which French is just one language among a myriad would help much.
If anyone wants to do that, please simply refer to the traduc.org thread, as the "Replay" issue is far from Neverball-specific.

>
> I believe it's not a good idea to change the translation only in Debian,
> this is something upstream should take care of.

Absolutely, the only reason I opened the ticket against Debian is that I failed open one upstream. Quoting myself:

> Forwarding this report upstream would be most welcome, I simply couldn't
> manage to open a ticket there (I can't see how to create a Trac account).

Message #75 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Mehdi Yousfi-Monod <mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Cc: 700287@bugs.debian.org, control@bugs.debian.org, Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de>

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:10:28 +0200

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Thanks for the bump and the feedback.
It's been some years since I last logged on the Neverball forum so I would
suggest you to give a try with a simple post.
Shino, the administrator, is French, he should be able to give you his
opinion and update the French translation.
As for the translation itself, I'm fine with "enregistrer" as it's more
accurate than "sauver". Regarding "replay", I'd rather not replace it with
"film" but you should ask the French people of Neverball's community.

mym

2013/5/24 Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>
>
> tags 700287 - moreinfo
> thanks
>
> Hi Markus,
>
>
> On 2013-05-23 13:11, Markus Koschany wrote:
>>
>> tags 700287 moreinfo
>> thanks
>>
>> Hello and thanks for your bug report.
>>
>> After reading the whole bug report, it seems to me, you both have not
>> reached a conclusion yet. I'm inclined to work on this bug as long as we
>> can reach a consensus about the correct translation of "Save Replay" in
>> French.
>
>
> This ticket certainly shouldn't stay open forever. At this point we can
conclude that a good translation is difficult to find. Which is why I
proposed to just fix the "Sauver" for now. Although we didn't find a
perfect translation even for "Sauver", I'm proposing to go with
"Enregistrer". To be clear, I am proposing to translate "Save Replay" to
"Enregistrer un film" until we get better ideas. This may not be a pure
improvement over the current translation - I would prefer something clearer
and shorter - but I believe Mehdi and I both consider that as an overall
improvement.
>
> I will consider this ticket as resolved if the translation is changed to
"Enregistrer un film" and will consider opening a new ticket about "film"
when this one is closed.
>
>>
>> I would like to suggest that Filipus simply opens a thread at the
>> official forum and then asks the developers to improve the translation.
>>
>> http://forum.nevercorner.net/
>
>
> You're welcome to do that, but as I already opened a thread on traduc.orgwhich helped little, I doubt opening a thread in a small community for
which French is just one language among a myriad would help much.
> If anyone wants to do that, please simply refer to the traduc.org thread,
as the "Replay" issue is far from Neverball-specific.
>
>
>>
>> I believe it's not a good idea to change the translation only in Debian,
>> this is something upstream should take care of.
>
>
> Absolutely, the only reason I opened the ticket against Debian is that I
failed open one upstream. Quoting myself:
>
>> Forwarding this report upstream would be most welcome, I simply couldn't
>> manage to open a ticket there (I can't see how to create a Trac account).




--
Mehdi Yousfi-Monod

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Message #80 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: Mehdi Yousfi-Monod <mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com>, 700287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 21:56:33 -0400

Hi Mehdi,

On 2013-05-24 09:10, Mehdi Yousfi-Monod wrote:
> Thanks for the bump and the feedback.
> It's been some years since I last logged on the Neverball forum so I would
> suggest you to give a try with a simple post.
> Shino, the administrator, is French, he should be able to give you his
> opinion and update the French translation.
I opened a topic: http://forum.nevercorner.net/viewtopic.php?pid=28840

> As for the translation itself, I'm fine with "enregistrer" as it's more
> accurate than "sauver".

Thanks
>   Regarding "replay", I'd rather not replace it with
> "film" but you should ask the French people of Neverball's community.
>

"film" is the current translation. I am not against changing it, but if we change it, other strings will have to change too. I believe we should wait for more input at this point.

-- 
Filipus Klutiero
http://www.philippecloutier.com

Message #85 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Mehdi Yousfi-Monod <mehdi.yousfi@gmail.com>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Cc: 700287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#700287: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 09:45:35 +0200

>>   Regarding "replay", I'd rather not replace it with
>> "film" but you should ask the French people of Neverball's community.
>
> "film" is the current translation. I am not against changing it, but if we change it, other strings will have to change too. I believe we should wait for more input at this point.

Oops. Indeed I do prefer "replay". Typing replay+fr on google.fr shows
that that word is broadly used by French speakers. I'm ok with waiting
for more input.
Cheers

Message #90 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Cc: 700287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:02:39 +0200

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Hello,

the developers of neverball are willing to accept an updated .po file in
French. This only requires a consensus about the correct translation of
"Save replay" in French.

http://forum.nevercorner.net/viewtopic.php?id=2680

Please propose a final translation and i will prepare a patch for the
.po file.

Markus

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Message #95 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de>, 700287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:04:07 -0400

Hi Markus,

On 2013-05-31 07:02, Markus Koschany wrote:
> Hello,
>
> the developers of neverball are willing to accept an updated .po file in
> French. This only requires a consensus about the correct translation of
> "Save replay" in French.
>
> http://forum.nevercorner.net/viewtopic.php?id=2680
>
> Please propose a final translation and i will prepare a patch for the
> .po file.

Thanks. I wouldn't qualify my translation as "final", but until we get more feedback on "film"/replay, I'm recommending again "Enregistrer un film", which I'll consider as a solution to this ticket.

-- 
Filipus Klutiero
http://www.philippecloutier.com

Message #100 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Cc: 700287@bugs.debian.org, control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 13:08:23 +0200

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tags 700287 - moreinfo
thanks

Hello Filipus,

i have changed "sauver" to enregistrer" and forwarded the patch upstream.

http://forum.nevercorner.net/viewtopic.php?id=2680

The updated string should be visible in the next Debian release 1.5.4-6.

Regards,

Markus

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Message #107 received at 700287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: 700287@bugs.debian.org, control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [neverball] French: "Save Replay" translated to "Sauver un film"

Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 14:22:19 -0400

tags 700287 + pending
thanks

On 2013-06-02 07:08, Markus Koschany wrote:
> tags 700287 - moreinfo
> thanks
>
> Hello Filipus,
>
> i have changed "sauver" to enregistrer" and forwarded the patch upstream.
>
> http://forum.nevercorner.net/viewtopic.php?id=2680
>
> The updated string should be visible in the next Debian release 1.5.4-6.

Thank you Markus (extra gratitude for catching the other occurences of "Save").

-- 
Filipus Klutiero
http://www.philippecloutier.com

Message #112 received at 700287-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de>

To: 700287-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#700287: fixed in neverball 1.5.4-6

Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 05:18:53 +0000

Source: neverball
Source-Version: 1.5.4-6

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
neverball, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive.

A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 700287@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de> (supplier of updated neverball package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
administrators by mailing ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org)


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Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 12:41:18 +0200
Source: neverball
Binary: neverball neverball-data neverball-common neverputt neverputt-data neverball-dbg
Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 1.5.4-6
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Games Team <pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Markus Koschany <apo@gambaru.de>
Description: 
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 neverball-common - data files for Neverball and Neverputt
 neverball-data - data files for Neverball
 neverball-dbg - debugging information for Neverball and Neverputt
 neverputt  - 3D miniature golf game
 neverputt-data - data files for Neverputt
Closes: 651180 662445 677409 700287
Changes: 
 neverball (1.5.4-6) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   [ Juhani Numminen ]
   * Team upload
   * libpng15 transition: Build-depend on libpng-dev instead of
     libpng12-dev. (Closes: #662445)
   * Fix neverball not launching if previously used video mode is
     not available by adding reset-video-mode.patch. (Closes: #677409)
     Thanks to Fabian Greffrath for the patch.
   * Fix non-working Vcs-Browser field in control (400 Bad Request)
     with a working one.
   * Implement hardening by using dpkg-buildflags in debian/rules to export all
     necessary build flags.
 .
   [ Markus Koschany ]
   * Bump compat level to 9 and require debhelper >= 9.
   * Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.4, no changes needed.
   * Switch to source format 3.0 (quilt).
   * Update debian/copyright to copyright format 1.0.
   * Update the watch file and make the extension regex more flexible.
   * Add longtitle to menu files.
   * Drop build-dependency on quilt because source format 3.0 uses quilt by
     default and remove README.source.
   * debian/control:
     - Drop old Conflicts relationships. Older packages of neverball and
       neverputt (Lenny and earlier) are no longer supported.
     - Use fonts-dejavu-core instead of the deprecated ttf-dejavu-core package.
     - data-packages: Suggest neverball and neverputt.
   * Rewrite and simplify debian/rules by using dh sequencer.
   * Build with --parallel.
   * Drop NEWS file. Users who upgrade from Squeeze or Wheezy are not affected.
     Upgrading directly from Lenny to Jessie is not supported.
   * Add DEP-3 headers to all patches and forward them upstream.
   * Install all debugging symbols correctly and make neverball-dbg useful again.
     (Closes: #651180)
   * Update French .po file. Change the occurrences of "sauver" to
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