Debian Bug report logs - #696137
ITA: libtie-cache-perl -- perl Tie::Cache - LRU Cache in Memory

Package: wnpp; Maintainer for wnpp is wnpp@debian.org;

Reported by: Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org>

Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:51:01 UTC

Owned by: Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org>

Severity: normal

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From: Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org>
To: submit@bugs.debian.org
Subject: ITA: libtie-cache-perl -- perl Tie::Cache - LRU Cache in Memory
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:47:37 +0000
Package: wnpp

I intend to adopt this package.  The maintainer gave me permission for that,
see bug 673377.



Owner recorded as Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org>. Request was from Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Tue, 18 Dec 2012 07:06:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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From: Salvatore Bonaccorso <carnil@debian.org>
To: Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org>, 696137@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#696137: ITA: libtie-cache-perl -- perl Tie::Cache - LRU Cache in Memory
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:15:16 +0100
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Hi Bart

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 05:47:37AM +0000, Bart Martens wrote:
> I intend to adopt this package.  The maintainer gave me permission for that,
> see bug 673377.

In case you are interested: There is the Debian Perl Group, so if you
are interested to maintain it under it's umbrella, see [1].

 [1]: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup/Welcome

Regards,
Salvatore
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From: Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org>
To: 696137@bugs.debian.org
Cc: control@bugs.debian.org
Subject: libtie-cache-perl: changing back from ITA to O
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:58:44 +0200
retitle 696137 O: libtie-cache-perl -- perl Tie::Cache - LRU Cache in Memory
noowner 696137
tag 696137 - pending
thanks

Hi,

A long time ago, you expressed interest in adopting libtie-cache-perl. Unfortunately,
it seems that it did not happen. In Debian, we try not to keep ITA bugs open
for a too long time, as it might cause other prospective maintainers to
refrain from adopting the package.

This is an automatic email to change the status of libtie-cache-perl back from ITA
(Intent to Adopt) to O (Orphaned), as this bug hasn't seen any activity
during the last 6 months.

If you are still interested in adopting libtie-cache-perl, please send a mail to
<control@bugs.debian.org> with:

 retitle 696137 ITA: libtie-cache-perl -- perl Tie::Cache - LRU Cache in Memory
 owner 696137 !
 thanks

It is also a good idea to document your progress on this ITA from time to
time, by mailing <696137@bugs.debian.org>. If you need guidance on how to
adopt this package, please reply to this email, and/or contact the
debian-mentors@lists.debian.org mailing list.

Thank you for your interest in Debian,
-- 
Lucas, for the QA team <debian-qa@lists.debian.org>



Changed Bug title to 'O: libtie-cache-perl -- perl Tie::Cache - LRU Cache in Memory' from 'ITA: libtie-cache-perl -- perl Tie::Cache - LRU Cache in Memory' Request was from Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:11:12 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Removed annotation that Bug was owned by Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org>. Request was from Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:11:13 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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Message #26 received at 696137@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org>
To: lucas@debian.org
Cc: 696137@bugs.debian.org, debian-qa@lists.debian.org
Subject: Wrong handling of pure ITP and pure ITA bug reports by your automatic WNPP script
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:05:17 +0200
Control: retitle -1 ITA: libtie-cache-perl -- perl Tie::Cache - LRU Cache in Memory
Control: owner -1 Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org>

Hi Lucas,

Your script which automatically changes ITPs into RFPs and ITAs into
O bugs has an annoying bug:

It even changes bugs which where an ITP initially into RFP, which IMHO
is quite wrong, and -- as I saw today and even worse -- it changes
initial ITAs into O without the package ever being orphaned:
http://bugs.debian.org/696137

At least for me, those mails are definitely way more annoying than
helpful, at least in these cases. (IIRC I also already saw initial
RFAs which ended up as O despite they never were O before, but I'm not
sure in this case.)

So please change that script and refrain from changing initial ITAs
and ITPs into anything else.

If your really think these should be handled automatically (I don't
FTR), then close them, or better, just do a ping asking for a progress
report.

But please don't change these bug reports to something they never
were, especially not with phrases like "changing back from ITA to O"
which is just untrue and confusing.

TIA.

		Regards, Axel
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Changed Bug title to 'ITA: libtie-cache-perl -- perl Tie::Cache - LRU Cache in Memory' from 'O: libtie-cache-perl -- perl Tie::Cache - LRU Cache in Memory' Request was from Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org> to 696137-submit@bugs.debian.org. (Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:06:13 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Owner recorded as Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org>. Request was from Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org> to 696137-submit@bugs.debian.org. (Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:06:14 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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Message #35 received at 696137@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net>
To: 696137@bugs.debian.org, debian-qa@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Wrong handling of pure ITP and pure ITA bug reports by your automatic WNPP script
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:42:04 +0200
On 25/08/13 at 11:05 +0200, Axel Beckert wrote:
> Control: retitle -1 ITA: libtie-cache-perl -- perl Tie::Cache - LRU Cache in Memory
> Control: owner -1 Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org>
> 
> Hi Lucas,
> 
> Your script which automatically changes ITPs into RFPs and ITAs into
> O bugs has an annoying bug:
> 
> It even changes bugs which where an ITP initially into RFP, which IMHO
> is quite wrong, and -- as I saw today and even worse -- it changes
> initial ITAs into O without the package ever being orphaned:
> http://bugs.debian.org/696137

Hi,

In that specific case, Deepak wrote:
> Bart,
> How are you ?
> 
> Yes I am quite busy with my official work, I will not have time till first
> week of Feb 2013. If you wanted to take over the package please take it.
> 
> Else I will orphan the package.

Then Bart ITAed the package, but the package wasn't adopted.

Since Deepak wrote "Else I will orphan the package.", I think that orphaning
the package since the ITA was unsuccessful was the correct decision to make.

Generally, I agree that in the RFA -> ITA for a long time without action, what
to do with those bugs is unclear. I think that generally, we need either:
- a clearly identified maintainer that is supposed to care for the package
- an indication that nobody apparently cares about a particular package

By turning all ITA to O, we tend to underestimate the caring that a package
receives.
By turning previously RFAed packages, that have been ITAed for a long time,
back to RFA, we tend to overestimate the caring that a package receives.

I think that generally, it's better to be on the safe side from the "quality of
Debian" POV, rather than be a on the safe side from the "strict ownership of
packages" POV.

But then that process is slightly flawed, since ITP and ITA should really be
transient states, not states in which packages can end up for 6 months or more.
 
Lucas



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