Debian Bug report logs - #687016
Upstart support

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian Kampka <chris@emerge-life.de>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Upstart support

Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 14:37:01 +0200

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Package: src:zabbix
Version: 1:2.0.2+dfsg-5

Ubuntu uses Upstart instead of SysVInit to run the init process.
Attached debdiff includes upstart scripts that will allow Upstart to
start/stop all zabbix daemon components. Installation of the scripts
will happen automatically using Ubuntus Upstart debhelper scripts,
Debian will simply ignore them.

I am aware that Debian will benefit little from these, especially since
its Upstart version is quite old. Nevertheless, I believe it's
reasonable to get the patch to enter Ubuntus repositories through
upstream Debian.

Cheers,
Christian

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Message #12 received at 687016@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@member.fsf.org>

To: 687016@bugs.debian.org, control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#687016: Upstart support

Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:57:46 +1000

tags 687016 wontfix

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I welcome improvements for Debian and derivatives.

However if there is no benefit for Debian I can't justify the maintenance time 
needed for this.

Thanks for sharing but for now let's keep non-Debian customisation out of 
Debian.

Regards,
Dmitry.

Message #19 received at 687016@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dmitrijs Ledkovs <xnox@debian.org>

To: 687016@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#687016: Upstart support

Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:17:55 +0000

Dear zabbix maintainer,

Upstart is an init system that can be used on debian instead of sysvinit.
Many other packages already provide support for systemd and upstart in Debian.
Since upstart integration has improved in Debian recently, upstart
jobs in your package is a benefit on Debian. [1]
Can you please reconsider your position and remove wontfix tag?

[1] http://web.dodds.net/~vorlon/wiki/blog/Upstart_in_Debian/

Regards,

Dmitrijs.

Message #24 received at 687016@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@member.fsf.org>

To: Dmitrijs Ledkovs <xnox@debian.org>, 687016@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#687016: Upstart support

Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:15:43 +1100

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:17:55 Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
> Upstart is an init system that can be used on debian instead of sysvinit.
> Many other packages already provide support for systemd and upstart in
> Debian. Since upstart integration has improved in Debian recently, upstart
> jobs in your package is a benefit on Debian. [1]
> Can you please reconsider your position and remove wontfix tag?

Reconsideration requires motivation and time. At the moment I posses neither 
of them. I know little about upstart and I will not reconsider until I learn 
more, which is not a priority for now.


> [1] http://web.dodds.net/~vorlon/wiki/blog/Upstart_in_Debian/

This link reaffirmed my position to avoid integrating upstart for now.

The article mention a little decrease in boot time which is nice
however by itself probably is not enough to justify the work needed to 
introduce upstrat support.

More important the same essay says that OpenSUSE switched from upstart to 
systemd which I interpret as evidence that upstart may not be suitable because 
of some problems with it. (Otherwise why would they stop using it?)

Finally Ubuntu's decision to use upstart could be politically motivated and 
therefore we have to think twice about the pros and cons for Debian.

So far I've seen upstart advocacy only from people affiliated with Ubuntu.

Is there are any independent reviews made by people (preferably by DDs) 
without obvious connections to Ubuntu?

Regards,
Dmitry.

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