Debian Bug report logs - #677277
lists.debian.org: new list: sponsorship-requests@lists.debian.org

Package: lists.debian.org; Maintainer for lists.debian.org is Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>;

Reported by: Arno Töll <arno@debian.org>

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:30:01 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Done: Arno Töll <arno@debian.org>

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Bug#677277; Package lists.debian.org. (Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:30:04 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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From: Arno Töll <arno@debian.org>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: lists.debian.org: new list: sponsorship-requests@lists.debian.org
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:26:03 +0200
Package: lists.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

Hello,

upon rough consensus and after discussing with formorer [1] I'd like to to request
a new list dedicated to sponsorship requests. The list would be used to manage
sponsorship-requests bug traffic as a pseudo-package owner [2].

Name

    At your choice, sponsorship-requests@l.d.o or
    debian-sponsorship-requests@l.d.o. I guess, I'd prefer the former.

Rationale

    The rationale is denoted in the mailing list discussion referenced under [1].
    The basic idea is to restrict automated bot traffic to the debian-mentors
    mailing list to reduce the signal/noise ratio.

    In the end, sponsorship-requests should be used as a no-discussion (beyond
    actual bug discussions) web-archive mailing list. That is, we would like to
    tell apart mentoring questions ("help me with packaging problem") from bug
    control traffic (see #658498) and bug notifications. For the sake of
    completeness you, as a listmaster, demand that every traffic sent to a list
    actually ends up there. Yet, debian-mentors would be subscribed via PTS for
    bug traffic _only_.

    Therefore, to make a long story short:
    * debian-mentors: leave as is, subscribe to bug reports for the the
      sponsorship-requests pseudo-package.
    * sponsorship-requests: send _all_ sponsorship-requests bug traffic there
      (including control messages) and configure that list as a package owner
    * "sponsorship-requests" pseudo-package: Change packge owner to
      sponsorship-requests@l.d.o. Don, do you want me to file a separate bug for
      that, assuming you create the requested list?

Long description

    Track upload requests for packages about to be sponsored into Debian archives


    (feel free to change/improve with a native speaker hat on)

Category

    Developers

Subscription Policy

    open

Post Policy

    open

    (or, at your choice moderated, as we expect no posters but the BTS, and humans
    should be redirected to debian-mentors instead)

Web Archive

    yes


[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2012/05/msg00459.html
[2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=sponsorship-requests

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Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#677277; Package lists.debian.org. (Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:00:07 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #8 received at 677277@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Don Armstrong <don@debian.org>
To: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org, 677277@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#677277: lists.debian.org: new list: sponsorship-requests@lists.debian.org
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:58:12 -0700
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Arno Töll wrote:
> upon rough consensus and after discussing with formorer [1] I'd like
> to to request a new list dedicated to sponsorship requests. The list
> would be used to manage sponsorship-requests bug traffic as a
> pseudo-package owner [2].

I'd personally prefer that all of the sponsorship-requests bug traffic
still go to this list. The primary reasons are:

1) People who sponsor are already subscribed to -mentors
2) Problems with RFS require mentoring and are discussed on -mentors
3) Random sponsorship requests that don't get into the BTS go to -mentors
4) Those who don't want to receive BTS mail can trivially filter it out 
4a) I don't actually know who would want to be subscribed to -mentors
    but not to sponsorship-requests

That said, if the consensus is that -mentors subscribers but non
sponsorship-requests subscribers is large enough to warrant having
everyone who wants to receive both subscribe to a new list, I'm ok
with doing the work to change the maintainer address. [But I don't
want to change it back after I've changed it... so please decide once
and for all.]

I'll just try this selectricity poll for now so we don't get billions
of votes here:

http://selectricity.org/quickvote/debianrfslist


Don Armstrong

-- 
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of the modern world.

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Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#677277; Package lists.debian.org. (Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:42:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@ubuntu.com>:
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Message #13 received at 677277@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@ubuntu.com>
To: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org, 677277@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#677277: lists.debian.org: new list: sponsorship-requests@lists.debian.org
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:10:36 -0400
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Arno Töll wrote:
>> upon rough consensus and after discussing with formorer [1] I'd like
>> to to request a new list dedicated to sponsorship requests. The list
>> would be used to manage sponsorship-requests bug traffic as a
>> pseudo-package owner [2].
>
> I'd personally prefer that all of the sponsorship-requests bug traffic
> still go to this list. The primary reasons are:
>
> 1) People who sponsor are already subscribed to -mentors

This drives people who sponsor off the list -- we therefore loose
people, not gain any.

> 2) Problems with RFS require mentoring and are discussed on -mentors

I'd be happy to subscribe to the new list and help there, as others
are, I'm sure.

> 3) Random sponsorship requests that don't get into the BTS go to -mentors

I'm all for keeping new bug messages going to mentors, but not every
control message.

> 4) Those who don't want to receive BTS mail can trivially filter it out

Those who want it can subscribe to a new list :)

> 4a) I don't actually know who would want to be subscribed to -mentors
>    but not to sponsorship-requests

I know of a few, and I've been tempted a few times.

>
> That said, if the consensus is that -mentors subscribers but non
> sponsorship-requests subscribers is large enough to warrant having
> everyone who wants to receive both subscribe to a new list, I'm ok
> with doing the work to change the maintainer address. [But I don't
> want to change it back after I've changed it... so please decide once
> and for all.]
>
> I'll just try this selectricity poll for now so we don't get billions
> of votes here:
>
> http://selectricity.org/quickvote/debianrfslist
>
>
> Don Armstrong
>
> --
> My spelling ability, or rather the lack thereof, is one of the wonders
> of the modern world.
>
> http://www.donarmstrong.com              http://rzlab.ucr.edu
>
>
> --
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-mentors-REQUEST@lists.debian.org
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org
> Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120612205812.GC32329@rzlab.ucr.edu
>

-Paul

-- 
All programmers are playwrights, and all computers are lousy actors.

#define sizeof(x) rand()
:wq




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Bug#677277; Package lists.debian.org. (Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:48:07 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Michael Gilbert <mgilbert@debian.org>:
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Message #18 received at 677277@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Gilbert <mgilbert@debian.org>
To: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org, 677277@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#677277: lists.debian.org: new list: sponsorship-requests@lists.debian.org
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:43:54 -0400
> I'll just try this selectricity poll for now so we don't get billions
> of votes here:
>
> http://selectricity.org/quickvote/debianrfslist

So, I don't think those options accurately describe the choices.  The
options really are:

1.  Send useful bts discussion as well as verbose control messages to -mentors
2.  Send useful bts discussion to both -mentors and
sponsorship-requests, with verbose control messages to
sponsorship-requests only

Best wishes,
Mike




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Bug#677277; Package lists.debian.org. (Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:48:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Arno Töll <arno@debian.org>:
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Message #23 received at 677277@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Arno Töll <arno@debian.org>
Cc: 677277@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#677277: lists.debian.org: new list: sponsorship-requests@lists.debian.org
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:45:12 +0200
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Hi,

On 12.06.2012 23:43, Michael Gilbert wrote:
>> I'll just try this selectricity poll for now so we don't get billions
>> of votes here:
>>
>> http://selectricity.org/quickvote/debianrfslist

what's the status here? After Bart enjoyed us 100+ mails today, I think
quite a few of us recall this bug again. :-)

Also your poll seems to support our/my argument after a reasonable
voting period.

(Just for the archives: Quite a few messages in this bug are missing as
they were sent to the debian-mentors mailing list only.)

-- 
with kind regards,
Arno Töll
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Message #28 received at 677277-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Arno Töll <arno@debian.org>
To: 677277-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: lists.debian.org: new list: sponsorship-requests@lists.debian.org
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:16:24 +0100
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Formorer implemented this request [1] and filters seem to work now.
Hence I'm hereby closing this bug. Thanks a lot for your help, Alex.

[1] https://lists.debian.org/package-sponsorship-requests/
-- 
with kind regards,
Arno Töll
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