Debian Bug report logs - #655226
Requesting removal of bzflag

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Scott W <blast@bzexcess.com>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Requesting removal of bzflag

Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 08:19:57 -0600

Package: bzflag
Version: 2.0.16.20100405+nmu1

I am requesting the removal of the bzflag package (and it's associated
-data, -client, and -server packages) due to the game no longer being
maintained or developed upstream. In addition, version 2.0.16 is not
compatible with the current stable release (2.4.0) of the game, so I
think it should also be removed to avoid confusion.

Message #12 received at 655226-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Arno Töll <debian@toell.net>

To: control@bugs.debian.org, 649144@bugs.debian.org, mia@qa.debian.org, debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org, 655226-done@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Requesting removal of bzflag

Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 16:48:11 +0100

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tags 655226 wontfix
thanks

I'm closing bug #655226 for now. The package is in bad shape, but there
is a newer upstream version available solving the issue. So, instead of
removing bzflag from Debian, I'd suggest to package a new upstream
version instead, as outlined in #649144 which would come around the
issue noted by the reporter.

Unfortunately it seems the maintainer is unresponsive for a while, so
maybe the MIA team might look for him, and the games team might consider
taking over the package. Otherwise I'd suggest to orphan it at least.

Note, #649144 is not release critical only because there is a dedicated
server package in Debian as much outdated as the client package making
it possible to use the package within a Debian ecosystem.

- -- 
with kind regards,
Arno Töll
IRC: daemonkeeper on Freenode/OFTC
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Message #17 received at 655226@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org>

To: Arno Töll <debian@toell.net>

Cc: 655226@bugs.debian.org, mia@qa.debian.org, debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org, Tim Riker <timr@debian.org>, Scott W <blast@bzexcess.com>

Subject: Re: Requesting removal of bzflag

Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:18:27 +0800

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Arno Töll wrote:

> I'm closing bug #655226 for now. The package is in bad shape, but there
> is a newer upstream version available solving the issue. So, instead of
> removing bzflag from Debian, I'd suggest to package a new upstream
> version instead, as outlined in #649144 which would come around the
> issue noted by the reporter.

Scott, are you interested in joining the Debian games team to take
over the Debian bzflag package from Tim Riker since he seems to be
MIA?

We had a short discussion with upstream (#bzflag on freenode), see below.

<pabs3> TimRiker: ping! the Debian package of bzflag misses you and
needs updating!
<JeffM> pabs3, yes we know, it is unmaintained and is being removed from debian
<JeffM> if we get a stable maintainer we'll have it re-added
<pabs3> we (the Debian games team) are hoping the removal will not happen
<JeffM> we may just run our own apt repository
<JeffM> then you need to take over maintainership of it
<pabs3> so is TimRiker missing in action around here also?
<JeffM> blast007 has done some work on getting the thing to build
<JeffM> he is less active and has said he has not time to make a package
<JeffM> his current responce is "anyone can make a package"
<JeffM> so yes he's efectivly MIA
<pabs3> in this bug, it was claimed that bzflag development has
stopped, is that the case? http://bugs.debian.org/655226
<JeffM> it ain't going really fast
<JeffM> and yes blast requested that
<JeffM> I do not know when or if we will ever have another release
<JeffM> we have serious project management/motivation issues
<pabs3> :(
<JeffM> there has been a lot of talk of just making a new project to
replace bzflag
<JeffM> using more modern tech
<JeffM> I'm trying to push us in that direction
<pabs3> would that be in the same sf.net project or a new one?
<pabs3> do you think blast007 would be interested in joining the games
team and taking over the Debian bzflag package?
<JeffM> I would like to make it a new one
<JeffM> it would be simpler to just have a new name
<JeffM> he may
<JeffM> he was working tward that goal but he may have become
frustrated with the dificulty of it
<JeffM> and the fact that apt isn't the best way for us to distribute a game
<JeffM> we don't realy have "security" releases
<JeffM> so it's very important to us that everyone be on the same version
<JeffM> because that's the version the servers are runing
<pabs3> that doesn't mean old versions aren't useful, for playing
against friends for example
<JeffM> possibly
<JeffM> it does mean the use is very limited
<JeffM> unlike say something like a text editor
<deansu> it would still be in testing and unstable, ubuntu pulls its
packages from both, and it may also be possible to have backports for
stable
<deansu> it also doesn't sound like, at least with bzflag, that you
have a very fast release cycle either
<JeffM> oh god no
<pabs3> JeffM: thanks for the info about TimRiker, do you mind if I
quote this conversation on the Debian games list and to the Debian MIA
team?
<JeffM> that's why we asked for it to be pulled, we arn't updating
<JeffM> pabs3, have at it
<JeffM> 2.4 was released only after we saw that 3.0 had stalled
<JeffM> and it was a few small changes to the existing codebase
<JeffM> and nearly daily proding of people to get it done
<JeffM> after that the interest droped right back to where it was, gone
<JeffM> personaly I'd like the game to self update like minecraft with
dev flags to have it pull from a repository instead

-- 
bye,
pabs

http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Message #22 received at 655226@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Tim Riker <timr@debian.org>

To: Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org>, 655226@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Arno Töll <debian@toell.net>, mia@qa.debian.org, debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org, Scott W <blast@bzexcess.com>

Subject: Re: Bug#655226: Requesting removal of bzflag

Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 17:23:58 -0700

I'm not missing, but life has me very busy.

The debian files are in the bzflag svn repository. I'm happy to see them
moved to the Games team repository and have someone else make releases.

I'm happy to have someone else do NMU or even take over the project.

Life has me busy, and I've just not gotten to it.

I talked to pabs3 on freenode and joined the games team. Feel free to
msg TimRiker on FreeNode anytime.

Message #27 received at 655226@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Scott Wichser <blast007-guest@users.alioth.debian.org>

To: Tim Riker <timr@debian.org>

Cc: Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org>, 655226@bugs.debian.org, Arno Töll <debian@toell.net>, mia@qa.debian.org, debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#655226: Requesting removal of bzflag

Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 18:59:17 -0600

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I'm one of the developers and project admins of BZFlag and would like to
assist with getting an updated version into the Debian repositories.  I've
joined the games team now as well.  I have been working on fixing some
issues with the upstream code as detected by lintian as well as sorting out
the debian build files.  I can be found on Freenode and OFTC as blast007.

Also, our SVN trunk no longer contains any Debian specific files.  I have
moved them to their own VCS here:
https://code.launchpad.net/~blast007/+junk/bzflag-debian-directory


On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Tim Riker <timr@debian.org> wrote:

> I'm not missing, but life has me very busy.
>
> The debian files are in the bzflag svn repository. I'm happy to see them
> moved to the Games team repository and have someone else make releases.
>
> I'm happy to have someone else do NMU or even take over the project.
>
> Life has me busy, and I've just not gotten to it.
>
> I talked to pabs3 on freenode and joined the games team. Feel free to
> msg TimRiker on FreeNode anytime.
>

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