Debian Bug report logs - #650062
im-switch: Retiring im-switch for post wheezy

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: im-switch: Retiring im-switch for post wheezy

Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:16:50 +0900

Package: im-switch
Version: 1.20
Severity: normal

(I am CCing all maintainers which make some dependency to the im-switch
packages.)

TODO:
Agree and document post wheezy situation for im-switch, so people on
wheezy will not be surprised when upgrading to wheezy+1.

PROPOSAL: In README.Debian, state 
 * im-switch is deprecated and 
 * recommend people to move to im-config.

FACTS:

 * im-switch and im-config provide equivalent services.

 * im-config is simple and works better.
   Move to im-config after wheezy+1 should be the next step 
   (This is merely my opinion)

 * im-switch is complicated and its configuration mechanism is 
   hard to understand and maintain. (I have been making efforts for
   both.)

 * im-switch suffers few technical issues 
  - multi-arch (Ubuntu patch proposed)
  - handling of GTK2/GTK3 mixed system
  - these can not be solved by im-switch only due to complicated hook
    script structure.

 * im-config 0.5 solves all these issues. (Minor glitches, I am willing
   to fix)

 * 2 overlapping Debian releases are enough for transition.

 * Unknown: Impact to Ubuntu which seems to depend on im-switch
  (If anyone is interested on this, please tell us.  I am ignorant on
   this)

 * fcitx, libuim-data, scim, scim-pinyin
   Packages with Recommends: im-config | im-switch
   Safe for im-switch removal and no impact with default installation
   (scim-pinyin does not need to do this since scim pulls this in.  
    But no bad effect.)

 * gcin
   Packages with Recommends: im-switch | im-config
   Safe for im-switch removal and little impact with default installation

 * gtk-im-libthai, gtk3-im-libthai
   Packages with Recommends: im-switch
   Possible to do im-switch removal
   No support by im-config at this moment (Need to discuss)

 * imhangul-common, kinput2-common
   Packages with Depends: im-switch
   I should file wish list bug for Recommends: im-config | im-switch
   I should also offer support to imhangul-common.  That is TODO on me
   with help by imhangul-common folks.
   kinput2-common seems to be a dead weight package now.
   (Debian has no gargage collection mehanism of unused and unmaintained
    packages except for FTBFS.  They can become security risk, though.)

Since this affects many packages, I would like to discuss in public
here and make appropriate preparation in wheezy by documenting next
step.

If you are CCed and have objection to remove this after wheezy+1, please
make your objection clear and present your alternative plan.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Regards,

Osamu

PS:
I did not CC task-chinese-s/t-desktop since it is owned by Debian
Install System Team <debian-boot@lists.debian.org>.  But they recommend
fcitx and im-switch.  Removing im-switch still pull in im-config via
fcitx. 

Osamu

-- System Information:
Debian Release: wheezy/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 3.1.0-1-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Message #10 received at 650062@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Theppitak Karoonboonyanan <thep@debian.org>

To: Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org>, 650062@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#650062: im-switch: Retiring im-switch for post wheezy

Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:49:14 +0700

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org> wrote:

>  * gtk-im-libthai, gtk3-im-libthai
>   Packages with Recommends: im-switch
>   Possible to do im-switch removal
>   No support by im-config at this moment (Need to discuss)

I'm about to try to switch to im-config, too. But it seems more complicated
than im-switch to begin with. Is there document I should read?

Thanks,
-- 
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
http://linux.thai.net/~thep/

Message #15 received at 650062@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Theppitak Karoonboonyanan <thep@debian.org>

To: Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org>, 650062@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#650062: im-switch: Retiring im-switch for post wheezy

Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:47:43 +0700

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
<thep@debian.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org> wrote:
>
>>  * gtk-im-libthai, gtk3-im-libthai
>>   Packages with Recommends: im-switch
>>   Possible to do im-switch removal
>>   No support by im-config at this moment (Need to discuss)
>
> I'm about to try to switch to im-config, too. But it seems more complicated
> than im-switch to begin with. Is there document I should read?

Having read im-config's README.Debian and having checked file
provisions of packages, it looks like all the control is centralized in
im-config package, rather than distributed as in im-switch.
Does this mean im-config should be patched to support my IM
packages, and I can then just Recommends: im-config without
other change in my packages?

Supporting GTK_IM_MODULE only when both gtk2 and gtk3 immodules
are available is interesting. It currently misses the case in which either
version is absent.

Regards,
-- 
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
http://linux.thai.net/~thep/

Message #20 received at 650062@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: d+deb@vdr.jp

To: 650062@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#650062: im-switch: Retiring im-switch for post wheezy

Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:56:53 +0900

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

Hi,

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:16:50PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
>  * fcitx, libuim-data, scim, scim-pinyin
>    Packages with Recommends: im-config | im-switch
>    Safe for im-switch removal and no impact with default installation
>    (scim-pinyin does not need to do this since scim pulls this in.  
>     But no bad effect.)

uim packaging team is already planning to transit
from im-switch to im-config.  We will drop im-switch
post wheezy.

uim: transition from im-switch to im-config
http://bugs.debian.org/629490
-- 
Regards,
	dai

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Message #25 received at 650062@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Theppitak Karoonboonyanan <thep@debian.org>

To: Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org>, 650062@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#650062: im-switch: Retiring im-switch for post wheezy

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:21:20 +0700

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
<thep@debian.org> wrote:

> Having read im-config's README.Debian and having checked file
> provisions of packages, it looks like all the control is centralized in
> im-config package, rather than distributed as in im-switch.
> Does this mean im-config should be patched to support my IM
> packages, and I can then just Recommends: im-config without
> other change in my packages?

Bug #650244 filed for im-config change.

-- 
Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
http://linux.thai.net/~thep/

Message #30 received at 650062-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org>

To: 650062-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#650062: fixed in im-switch 1.21

Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 15:34:03 +0000

Source: im-switch
Source-Version: 1.21

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
im-switch, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

im-switch_1.21.dsc
  to main/i/im-switch/im-switch_1.21.dsc
im-switch_1.21.tar.gz
  to main/i/im-switch/im-switch_1.21.tar.gz
im-switch_1.21_all.deb
  to main/i/im-switch/im-switch_1.21_all.deb



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 650062@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org> (supplier of updated im-switch package)

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Format: 1.8
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 23:57:36 +0900
Source: im-switch
Binary: im-switch
Architecture: source all
Version: 1.21
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org>
Changed-By: Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org>
Description: 
 im-switch  - Input method switch framework
Closes: 649188 650062
Changes: 
 im-switch (1.21) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Updated README.Debian for Wheezy to indicate this is deprecated and
     recommended to use im-config instead. Closes: #650062, 649188
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