Debian Bug report logs - #643012
Pentium M: Not possible to install PAE kernel

Package: installation-reports; Maintainer for installation-reports is Debian Install Team <debian-boot@lists.debian.org>;

Reported by: Bernhard <bewoern1@yahoo.de>

Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:00:01 UTC

Severity: normal

Done: Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org>

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From: Bernhard <bewoern1@yahoo.de>
To: submit@bugs.debian.org
Subject: PAE Kernel doesn't work with Pentium M
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:55:47 +0200
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Package: installation-reports

Boot method: CD
Image version: Self-made Boot-CD with actual Installer from SID
Date: 2011-09-25

Machine: ASUS Notebook Z7750
Processor: Pentium M @ 1,6GHz
Memory: 512MB
Partitions:

> Dateisystem    Typ   1K-Blöcke  Benutzt Verfügbar Verw% Eingehängt auf
> /dev/sda1      ext4    9611492  4256900   4866352   47% /
> tmpfs          tmpfs      5120        0      5120    0% /lib/init/rw
> tmpfs          tmpfs     51364      312     51052    1% /run
> tmpfs          tmpfs      5120        0      5120    0% /run/lock
> tmpfs          tmpfs    102728        8    102720    1% /tmp
> udev           tmpfs    251400        0    251400    0% /dev
> tmpfs          tmpfs    102728        0    102728    0% /run/shm
> /dev/sda6      ext4   47109496 35558016   9158444   80% /home

Output of lspci -knn:

> 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to I/O Controller [8086:3340] (rev 21)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:186a]
> 	Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
> 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to AGP Controller [8086:3341] (rev 21)
> 00:1d.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 [8086:24c2] (rev 03)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1869]
> 	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
> 00:1d.1 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 [8086:24c4] (rev 03)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1869]
> 	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
> 00:1d.2 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 [8086:24c7] (rev 03)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1869]
> 	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
> 00:1d.7 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller [8086:24cd] (rev 03)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1868]
> 	Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd
> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge [8086:2448] (rev 83)
> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge [8086:24cc] (rev 03)
> 00:1f.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller [8086:24ca] (rev 03)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1869]
> 	Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
> 00:1f.3 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller [8086:24c3] (rev 03)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1869]
> 	Kernel driver in use: i801_smbus
> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:24c5] (rev 03)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. M6800N [1043:1713]
> 	Kernel driver in use: Intel ICH
> 00:1f.6 Modem [0703]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller [8086:24c6] (rev 03)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. M6800N [1043:1826]
> 	Kernel driver in use: Intel ICH Modem
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] [1002:4e50]
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1772]
> 	Kernel driver in use: radeon
> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5788 Gigabit Ethernet [14e4:169c] (rev 03)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1735]
> 	Kernel driver in use: tg3
> 02:01.0 CardBus bridge [0607]: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II [1180:0476] (rev ac)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1864]
> 	Kernel driver in use: yenta_cardbus
> 02:01.1 CardBus bridge [0607]: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II [1180:0476] (rev ac)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1864]
> 	Kernel driver in use: yenta_cardbus
> 02:01.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C552 IEEE 1394 Controller [1180:0552] (rev 04)
> 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1867]
> 	Kernel driver in use: firewire_ohci
> 02:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection [8086:4220] (rev 05)
> 	Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device [8086:2701]
> 	Kernel driver in use: ipw2200

Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:           [O]
Detect network card:    [O]
Configure network:      [O]
Detect CD:              [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives:     [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Install base system:    [E]
Clock/timezone setup:   [O]
User/password setup:    [O]
Install tasks:          [O]
Install boot loader:    [O]
Overall install:        [O]

Comments/Problems:

Installation was successfully.

One small issue:
The PAE Kernel can't be selected during Base installation.
If i choose linux-image-686 in installer, the installer says, the system
doesn't support PAE.
If i install the PAE Kernel after installation with apt-get, the system
works fine.

I'm not sure, if this is a bug in the installer.

Attached, there is the output of /proc/cpuinfo with the manual installed
PAE Kernel:

> processor	: 0
> vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
> cpu family	: 6
> model		: 13
> model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz
> stepping	: 6
> cpu MHz		: 600.000
> cache size	: 2048 KB
> fdiv_bug	: no
> hlt_bug		: no
> f00f_bug	: no
> coma_bug	: no
> fpu		: yes
> fpu_exception	: yes
> cpuid level	: 2
> wp		: yes
> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe up bts est tm2
> bogomips	: 1199.95
> clflush size	: 64
> cache_alignment	: 64
> address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
> power management:

If you need further informations, please let me know.

Best regards
Bernhard
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From: lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen)
To: Bernhard <bewoern1@yahoo.de>, 643012@bugs.debian.org
Cc: submit@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#643012: PAE Kernel doesn't work with Pentium M
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:16:39 -0400
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 04:55:47PM +0200, Bernhard wrote:
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> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Package: installation-reports
> 
> Boot method: CD
> Image version: Self-made Boot-CD with actual Installer from SID
> Date: 2011-09-25
> 
> Machine: ASUS Notebook Z7750
> Processor: Pentium M @ 1,6GHz
> Memory: 512MB
> Partitions:
> 
> > Dateisystem    Typ   1K-Blöcke  Benutzt Verfügbar Verw% Eingehängt auf
> > /dev/sda1      ext4    9611492  4256900   4866352   47% /
> > tmpfs          tmpfs      5120        0      5120    0% /lib/init/rw
> > tmpfs          tmpfs     51364      312     51052    1% /run
> > tmpfs          tmpfs      5120        0      5120    0% /run/lock
> > tmpfs          tmpfs    102728        8    102720    1% /tmp
> > udev           tmpfs    251400        0    251400    0% /dev
> > tmpfs          tmpfs    102728        0    102728    0% /run/shm
> > /dev/sda6      ext4   47109496 35558016   9158444   80% /home
> 
> Output of lspci -knn:
> 
> > 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to I/O Controller [8086:3340] (rev 21)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:186a]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
> > 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to AGP Controller [8086:3341] (rev 21)
> > 00:1d.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 [8086:24c2] (rev 03)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1869]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
> > 00:1d.1 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 [8086:24c4] (rev 03)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1869]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
> > 00:1d.2 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 [8086:24c7] (rev 03)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1869]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
> > 00:1d.7 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller [8086:24cd] (rev 03)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1868]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd
> > 00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge [8086:2448] (rev 83)
> > 00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge [8086:24cc] (rev 03)
> > 00:1f.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller [8086:24ca] (rev 03)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1869]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
> > 00:1f.3 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller [8086:24c3] (rev 03)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1869]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: i801_smbus
> > 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:24c5] (rev 03)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. M6800N [1043:1713]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: Intel ICH
> > 00:1f.6 Modem [0703]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller [8086:24c6] (rev 03)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. M6800N [1043:1826]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: Intel ICH Modem
> > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] [1002:4e50]
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1772]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: radeon
> > 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5788 Gigabit Ethernet [14e4:169c] (rev 03)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1735]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: tg3
> > 02:01.0 CardBus bridge [0607]: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II [1180:0476] (rev ac)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1864]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: yenta_cardbus
> > 02:01.1 CardBus bridge [0607]: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II [1180:0476] (rev ac)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1864]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: yenta_cardbus
> > 02:01.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C552 IEEE 1394 Controller [1180:0552] (rev 04)
> > 	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1867]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: firewire_ohci
> > 02:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection [8086:4220] (rev 05)
> > 	Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device [8086:2701]
> > 	Kernel driver in use: ipw2200
> 
> Base System Installation Checklist:
> [O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it
> 
> Initial boot:           [O]
> Detect network card:    [O]
> Configure network:      [O]
> Detect CD:              [O]
> Load installer modules: [O]
> Detect hard drives:     [O]
> Partition hard drives:  [O]
> Install base system:    [E]
> Clock/timezone setup:   [O]
> User/password setup:    [O]
> Install tasks:          [O]
> Install boot loader:    [O]
> Overall install:        [O]
> 
> Comments/Problems:
> 
> Installation was successfully.
> 
> One small issue:
> The PAE Kernel can't be selected during Base installation.
> If i choose linux-image-686 in installer, the installer says, the system
> doesn't support PAE.
> If i install the PAE Kernel after installation with apt-get, the system
> works fine.
> 
> I'm not sure, if this is a bug in the installer.
> 
> Attached, there is the output of /proc/cpuinfo with the manual installed
> PAE Kernel:
> 
> > processor	: 0
> > vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
> > cpu family	: 6
> > model		: 13
> > model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz
> > stepping	: 6
> > cpu MHz		: 600.000
> > cache size	: 2048 KB
> > fdiv_bug	: no
> > hlt_bug		: no
> > f00f_bug	: no
> > coma_bug	: no
> > fpu		: yes
> > fpu_exception	: yes
> > cpuid level	: 2
> > wp		: yes
> > flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe up bts est tm2
> > bogomips	: 1199.95
> > clflush size	: 64
> > cache_alignment	: 64
> > address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
> > power management:
> 
> If you need further informations, please let me know.

Well /proc/cpuinfo should have the 'pae' flag if the CPU supports it.
So it would appear that it does not.  At least not from the kernel's
point of view.

Of course the strange bit is that it says it has 36bit physical address
with 32bit virtual address, which would require a PAE capable CPU.

I wonder if intel left out the pae flag since there is no way a pentium M
machine could have enough ram to need it, and using a PAE kernel (whether
on windows or linux) has a slight overhead, so it is better not to use it.
The fact the core has one that supports 36bit physical addresses and
the pae instructions doesn't mean intel has to make it tell software
that it has it.

Apparently some Pentium-M or the D series (which would be model 13 as you
have) do have execute disable (and hence pae since it is required by XD
(aka NX)).  Earlier D series had it disabled, although that probably
doesn't mean the CPU doesn't still have the hardware for it.

So my guess is you have an early 0x6D series Pentium M from before
intel decided to allow no execute support and hence have pae disabled
(but still present).  So as a result the pae kernel should still run,
although perhaps a bit less efficiently than a no-pae kernel would.

-- 
Len Sorensen




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Subject: retitle: Pentium M: Not possible to install PAE kernel
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:30:43 +0200
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:38:27 +0200
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From: Ian Campbell <ijc@hellion.org.uk>
To: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, 643012@bugs.debian.org
Cc: Bernhard <bewoern1@yahoo.de>
Subject: Re: Bug#643012: PAE Kernel doesn't work with Pentium M
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:12:23 +0100
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On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 12:16 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> Of course the strange bit is that it says it has 36bit physical
> address with 32bit virtual address, which would require a PAE capable
> CPU. 

36bit physical addressing here probably refers to PSE36[0], which was a
different, pre-PAE, mechanism for using large physical addresses. I
believe that there were indeed processors which had PSE but not PAE.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSE-36

Ian.
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From: lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen)
To: Ian Campbell <ijc@hellion.org.uk>, 643012@bugs.debian.org
Cc: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, Bernhard <bewoern1@yahoo.de>
Subject: Re: Bug#643012: PAE Kernel doesn't work with Pentium M
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:34:36 -0400
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 08:12:23PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 12:16 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> > Of course the strange bit is that it says it has 36bit physical
> > address with 32bit virtual address, which would require a PAE capable
> > CPU. 
> 
> 36bit physical addressing here probably refers to PSE36[0], which was a
> different, pre-PAE, mechanism for using large physical addresses. I
> believe that there were indeed processors which had PSE but not PAE.
> 
> [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSE-36

Ehm, how can PSE introduced by the Pentium III be pre-PAE (which was
introduced by the Pentium Pro)?

PSE may be simpler but it's still newer than PAE.

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From: lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen)
To: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Cc: Ian Campbell <ijc@hellion.org.uk>, 643012@bugs.debian.org, Bernhard <bewoern1@yahoo.de>
Subject: Re: Bug#643012: PAE Kernel doesn't work with Pentium M
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:38:17 -0400
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 03:34:36PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> Ehm, how can PSE introduced by the Pentium III be pre-PAE (which was
> introduced by the Pentium Pro)?
> 
> PSE may be simpler but it's still newer than PAE.

Well actually PSE (support for larger than 4k pages) predates PAE, but
PSE-36 (support for larger than 4k pages with 36bit physical address
range support) comes after PAE.

PSE came in the pentium, PAE in the Pentium Pro, and PSE-36 in the
Pentium III.

-- 
Len Sorensen




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From: Ian Campbell <ijc@hellion.org.uk>
To: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>, 643012@bugs.debian.org
Cc: Bernhard <bewoern1@yahoo.de>
Subject: Re: Bug#643012: PAE Kernel doesn't work with Pentium M
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:15:18 +0100
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On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 15:38 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 03:34:36PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> > Ehm, how can PSE introduced by the Pentium III be pre-PAE (which was
> > introduced by the Pentium Pro)?
> > 
> > PSE may be simpler but it's still newer than PAE.
> 
> Well actually PSE (support for larger than 4k pages) predates PAE, but
> PSE-36 (support for larger than 4k pages with 36bit physical address
> range support) comes after PAE.

My mistake, I thought PSE-36 also pre-dated PAE but obviously I was
wrong.

One thing which is interesting is that "pse36" normally appears separate
from "pse" in /proc/cpuinfo but doesn't appear here, just like "pae" is
missing

I don't see anywhere in the kernel which masks off X86_FEATURE_PAE or
X86_FEATURE_PSE36 though.

I guess running x86info would give the real underlying features
untouched by the kernel if Bernhard wants to confirm.

Ian.


> 
> PSE came in the pentium, PAE in the Pentium Pro, and PSE-36 in the
> Pentium III.
> 
> -- 
> Len Sorensen
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Ian Campbell


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From: Bernhard <bewoern1@yahoo.de>
To: 643012@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Pentium M doesn't have the PAE flag
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:27:03 +0200
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I have executed x86info on my Notebook (x86info --all):

> x86info v1.25.  Dave Jones 2001-2009
> Feedback to <davej@redhat.com>.
> 
> Need to be root to use specified options.
> Found 1 CPU
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> EFamily: 0 EModel: 0 Family: 6 Model: 13 Stepping: 6
> CPU Model: Pentium M (Dothan) [B-1]
> Processor name string: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz
> Type: 0 (Original OEM)	Brand: 6 (Mobile Intel® Pentium® III processor)
> Number of cores per physical package=1
> Number of logical processors per socket=1
> Number of logical processors per core=1
> APIC ID: 0x0	Package: 0  Core: 0   SMT ID 0
> eax in: 0x00000000, eax = 00000002 ebx = 756e6547 ecx = 6c65746e edx = 49656e69
> eax in: 0x00000001, eax = 000006d6 ebx = 00000816 ecx = 00000180 edx = afe9fbbf
> eax in: 0x00000002, eax = 02b3b001 ebx = 000000f0 ecx = 00000000 edx = 2c04307d
> 
> eax in: 0x80000000, eax = 80000004 ebx = 00000000 ecx = 00000000 edx = 00000000
> eax in: 0x80000001, eax = 00000000 ebx = 00000000 ecx = 00000000 edx = 00000000
> eax in: 0x80000002, eax = 20202020 ebx = 20202020 ecx = 65746e49 edx = 2952286c
> eax in: 0x80000003, eax = 6e655020 ebx = 6d756974 ecx = 20295228 edx = 7270204d
> eax in: 0x80000004, eax = 7365636f ebx = 20726f73 ecx = 30362e31 edx = 007a4847
> 
> Cache info
>  L1 Instruction cache: 32KB, 8-way associative. 64 byte line size.
>  L1 Data cache: 32KB, 8-way associative. 64 byte line size.
>  L2 cache: 2MB, 8-way associative. 64 byte line size.
> TLB info
>  Instruction TLB: 4K pages, 4-way associative, 128 entries.
>  Instruction TLB: 4MB pages, fully associative, 2 entries
>  Data TLB: 4K pages, 4-way associative, 128 entries.
>  Data TLB: 4MB pages, 4-way associative, 8 entries
>  64 byte prefetching.
> Feature flags:
>  fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflsh ds acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe
> Extended feature flags:
>  est tm2
> 
> Connector type: Micro-FCBGA
> 
> 1.60GHz processor (estimate).

Best regards
Bernhard
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From: Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org>
To: 658059-done@bugs.debian.org, 655436-done@bugs.debian.org, 654956-done@bugs.debian.org, 654837-done@bugs.debian.org, 656696-done@bugs.debian.org, 651563-done@bugs.debian.org, 643012-done@bugs.debian.org, 642389-done@bugs.debian.org, 639958-done@bugs.debian.org, 638990-done@bugs.debian.org, 637873-done@bugs.debian.org, 630013-done@bugs.debian.org, 629842-done@bugs.debian.org, 626793-done@bugs.debian.org, 619739-done@bugs.debian.org, 611839-done@bugs.debian.org, 611766-done@bugs.debian.org, 605907-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: dealing with old installation-reports
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:57:31 +0200
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Hi,

thank you for submitting installation reports, much appreciated.

I read through all the bugs mentioned here (and I'm sure they were read by 
several people at the time they were submitted) and am closing them now as/if
- they (finally) indicated success and/or
- I know from first hand experience that the functionality is working in 
Wheezy and/or
- they only contained very little information and/or
- they contained user errors and/or
- they were caused by broken hardware and/or
- they have been from a development phase where things were not stable and/or
- they are quite old (and thus likely fixed today).

If I've closed a bug incorrectly please do reply (it's easy to reopen and I'll 
do if requested) or just file a new one - thats often better, as the bug log 
will be clearer and shorter and not contain cruft.


cheers,
        Holger
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