Debian Bug report logs - #639286
[php5] please provide user interface for configuration

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: [php5] please provide user interface for configuration

Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:22:06 -0400

Package: php5
Version: 5.3.8-1
Severity: wishlist

I would like to be able to configure PHP (that is, presumably, modify 
php.ini) in a convenient way. I use Apache, if the control panel could 
also integrate with the web server.

I prefer Qt, but I would use anything.

--- System information. ---
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux 3.0.0-1-686-pae

Debian Release: wheezy/sid
990 testing security.debian.org
990 testing ftp.ca.debian.org
500 unstable ftp.ca.debian.org
1 experimental ftp.ca.debian.org

--- Package information. ---
Depends (Version) | Installed
===========================================-+-==============
libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.3.8-1) | 5.3.8-1
OR libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.3.8-1) |
OR php5-cgi (>= 5.3.8-1) |
OR php5-fpm (>= 5.3.8-1) |
php5-common (>= 5.3.8-1) | 5.3.8-1


Package's Recommends field is empty.

Package's Suggests field is empty.

Message #10 received at 639286-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>, 639286-done@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#639286: [php5] please provide user interface for configuration

Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:48:23 +0200

Version: 5.3.8-1

Hi Filipus,

this is definitely not a bug in PHP.

You may want to take a look at webmin: http://www.webmin.com/standard.html

Ondrej

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 18:22, Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com> wrote:
> Package: php5
> Version: 5.3.8-1
> Severity: wishlist
>
> I would like to be able to configure PHP (that is, presumably, modify
> php.ini) in a convenient way. I use Apache, if the control panel could also
> integrate with the web server.
>
> I prefer Qt, but I would use anything.
>
> --- System information. ---
> Architecture: i386
> Kernel: Linux 3.0.0-1-686-pae
>
> Debian Release: wheezy/sid
> 990 testing security.debian.org
> 990 testing ftp.ca.debian.org
> 500 unstable ftp.ca.debian.org
> 1 experimental ftp.ca.debian.org
>
> --- Package information. ---
> Depends (Version) | Installed
> ===========================================-+-==============
> libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.3.8-1) | 5.3.8-1
> OR libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.3.8-1) |
> OR php5-cgi (>= 5.3.8-1) |
> OR php5-fpm (>= 5.3.8-1) |
> php5-common (>= 5.3.8-1) | 5.3.8-1
>
>
> Package's Recommends field is empty.
>
> Package's Suggests field is empty.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pkg-php-maint mailing list
> pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-maint
>



-- 
Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org>
http://blog.rfc1925.org/

Message #15 received at 639286@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: control@bugs.debian.org, 639286@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#639286: [php5] please provide user interface for configuration

Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:09:42 -0400

reopen 639286
thanks

Hi Ondrej,

Le 2011-08-25 12:48, Ondřej Surý a écrit :
> Version: 5.3.8-1
>
> Hi Filipus,
>
> this is definitely not a bug in PHP.
Indeed, this is a request for enhancement.
> You may want to take a look at webmin: http://www.webmin.com/standard.html
I wasn't aware that Webmin allowed configuring PHP, thank you. If you 
think a Perl application is good to manage PHP, then please package it :-)
> Ondrej
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 18:22, Filipus Klutiero<chealer@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Package: php5
>> Version: 5.3.8-1
>> Severity: wishlist
>>
>> I would like to be able to configure PHP (that is, presumably, modify
>> php.ini) in a convenient way. I use Apache, if the control panel could also
>> integrate with the web server.
>>
>> I prefer Qt, but I would use anything.
>>
>> --- System information. ---
>> Architecture: i386
>> Kernel: Linux 3.0.0-1-686-pae
>>
>> Debian Release: wheezy/sid
>> 990 testing security.debian.org
>> 990 testing ftp.ca.debian.org
>> 500 unstable ftp.ca.debian.org
>> 1 experimental ftp.ca.debian.org
>>
>> --- Package information. ---
>> Depends (Version) | Installed
>> ===========================================-+-==============
>> libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.3.8-1) | 5.3.8-1
>> OR libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.3.8-1) |
>> OR php5-cgi (>= 5.3.8-1) |
>> OR php5-fpm (>= 5.3.8-1) |
>> php5-common (>= 5.3.8-1) | 5.3.8-1
>>
>>
>> Package's Recommends field is empty.
>>
>> Package's Suggests field is empty.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> pkg-php-maint mailing list
>> pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org
>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-maint
>>
>
>

Message #20 received at 639286@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>, "639286@bugs.debian.org" <639286@bugs.debian.org>

Cc: 639286-done@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#639286: Bug#639286: [php5] please provide user interface for configuration

Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:04:05 +0200

Ondřej Surý

On 25.8.2011, at 20:09, Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com> wrote:

> reopen 639286
> thanks
> 
> Hi Ondrej,
> 
> Le 2011-08-25 12:48, Ondřej Surý a écrit :
>> Version: 5.3.8-1
>> 
>> Hi Filipus,
>> 
>> this is definitely not a bug in PHP.
> Indeed, this is a request for enhancement.
>> You may want to take a look at webmin: http://www.webmin.com/standard.html
> I wasn't aware that Webmin allowed configuring PHP, thank you. If you think a Perl application is good to manage PHP, then please package it :-)
>> Ondrej
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 18:22, Filipus Klutiero<chealer@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Package: php5
>>> Version: 5.3.8-1
>>> Severity: wishlist
>>> 
>>> I would like to be able to configure PHP (that is, presumably, modify
>>> php.ini) in a convenient way. I use Apache, if the control panel could also
>>> integrate with the web server.
>>> 
>>> I prefer Qt, but I would use anything.
>>> 
>>> --- System information. ---
>>> Architecture: i386
>>> Kernel: Linux 3.0.0-1-686-pae
>>> 
>>> Debian Release: wheezy/sid
>>> 990 testing security.debian.org
>>> 990 testing ftp.ca.debian.org
>>> 500 unstable ftp.ca.debian.org
>>> 1 experimental ftp.ca.debian.org
>>> 
>>> --- Package information. ---
>>> Depends (Version) | Installed
>>> ===========================================-+-==============
>>> libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.3.8-1) | 5.3.8-1
>>> OR libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.3.8-1) |
>>> OR php5-cgi (>= 5.3.8-1) |
>>> OR php5-fpm (>= 5.3.8-1) |
>>> php5-common (>= 5.3.8-1) | 5.3.8-1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Package's Recommends field is empty.
>>> 
>>> Package's Suggests field is empty.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> pkg-php-maint mailing list
>>> pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org
>>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-maint
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pkg-php-maint mailing list
> pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-maint

Message #26 received at 639286@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>, "639286@bugs.debian.org" <639286@bugs.debian.org>

Cc: "639286-done@bugs.debian.org" <639286-done@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#639286: Bug#639286: [php5] please provide user interface for configuration

Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:11:13 +0200

Please don't play BTS ping pong.

It's neither the bug in the PHP nor it is PHP responsibility to provide user friendly configuration GUI.

Unfortunatelly the webmin was removed from Debian, because nobody was interested in maintaining it. However you can still install the webmin from the source and/or fill an RFP bug: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/

Ondřej Surý

On 25.8.2011, at 20:09, Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com> wrote:

> reopen 639286
> thanks
> 
> Hi Ondrej,
> 
> Le 2011-08-25 12:48, Ondřej Surý a écrit :
>> Version: 5.3.8-1
>> 
>> Hi Filipus,
>> 
>> this is definitely not a bug in PHP.
> Indeed, this is a request for enhancement.
>> You may want to take a look at webmin: http://www.webmin.com/standard.html
> I wasn't aware that Webmin allowed configuring PHP, thank you. If you think a Perl application is good to manage PHP, then please package it :-)
>> Ondrej
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 18:22, Filipus Klutiero<chealer@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Package: php5
>>> Version: 5.3.8-1
>>> Severity: wishlist
>>> 
>>> I would like to be able to configure PHP (that is, presumably, modify
>>> php.ini) in a convenient way. I use Apache, if the control panel could also
>>> integrate with the web server.
>>> 
>>> I prefer Qt, but I would use anything.
>>> 
>>> --- System information. ---
>>> Architecture: i386
>>> Kernel: Linux 3.0.0-1-686-pae
>>> 
>>> Debian Release: wheezy/sid
>>> 990 testing security.debian.org
>>> 990 testing ftp.ca.debian.org
>>> 500 unstable ftp.ca.debian.org
>>> 1 experimental ftp.ca.debian.org
>>> 
>>> --- Package information. ---
>>> Depends (Version) | Installed
>>> ===========================================-+-==============
>>> libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.3.8-1) | 5.3.8-1
>>> OR libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.3.8-1) |
>>> OR php5-cgi (>= 5.3.8-1) |
>>> OR php5-fpm (>= 5.3.8-1) |
>>> php5-common (>= 5.3.8-1) | 5.3.8-1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Package's Recommends field is empty.
>>> 
>>> Package's Suggests field is empty.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> pkg-php-maint mailing list
>>> pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org
>>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-maint
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> pkg-php-maint mailing list
> pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-maint

Message #32 received at 639286@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: sean finney <seanius@debian.org>

To: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org>, 639286@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#639286: Bug#639286: Bug#639286: [php5] please provide user interface for configuration

Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:39:39 +0200

Hi,

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 10:11:13AM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> Please don't play BTS ping pong.
> 
> It's neither the bug in the PHP nor it is PHP responsibility to provide user friendly configuration GUI.

FWIW i agree with ondřej here... neither mysql nor apache2 provide guis for
their configuration in their official releases either.  i imagine that if you
took the request upstream they wouldn't be so fond of the idea either.

this is not to argue against whether or not it's a good idea, just that you're
asking the wrong people in the wrong place.  a very quick googling found:

	http://pear.php.net/pepr/pepr-proposal-show.php?id=346

i suggest you go talk to those guys and see if there's any bitrot that needs to
be dusted off.


	sean

Message #37 received at 639286@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: "639286@bugs.debian.org" <639286@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#639286: Bug#639286: [php5] please provide user interface for configuration

Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:19:25 -0400

Le 2011-08-27 04:11, Ondřej Surý a écrit :
> Please don't play BTS ping pong.
What?
> It's neither the bug in the PHP nor it is PHP responsibility to provide user friendly configuration GUI.
As I wrote, this is not a bug report, but a request for enhancement.
> Unfortunatelly the webmin was removed from Debian, because nobody was interested in maintaining it. However you can still install the webmin from the source and/or fill an RFP bug: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
I don't need a GUI badly enough to install Webmin manually, the
point is to make our life easier... but thanks.
If you think Webmin is the right choice for this, then please feel free to
file an RFP, perhaps blocking this report with the WNPP report (I
personally didn't use it since its removal).
> Ondřej Surý
>
> On 25.8.2011, at 20:09, Filipus Klutiero<chealer@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> reopen 639286
>> thanks
>>
>> Hi Ondrej,
>>
>> Le 2011-08-25 12:48, Ondřej Surý a écrit :
>>> Version: 5.3.8-1
>>>
>>> Hi Filipus,
>>>
>>> this is definitely not a bug in PHP.
>> Indeed, this is a request for enhancement.
>>> You may want to take a look at webmin: http://www.webmin.com/standard.html
>> I wasn't aware that Webmin allowed configuring PHP, thank you. If you think a Perl application is good to manage PHP, then please package it :-)
>>> Ondrej
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 18:22, Filipus Klutiero<chealer@gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>> Package: php5
>>>> Version: 5.3.8-1
>>>> Severity: wishlist
>>>>
>>>> I would like to be able to configure PHP (that is, presumably, modify
>>>> php.ini) in a convenient way. I use Apache, if the control panel could also
>>>> integrate with the web server.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer Qt, but I would use anything.
>>>>
>>>> --- System information. ---
>>>> Architecture: i386
>>>> Kernel: Linux 3.0.0-1-686-pae
>>>>
>>>> Debian Release: wheezy/sid
>>>> 990 testing security.debian.org
>>>> 990 testing ftp.ca.debian.org
>>>> 500 unstable ftp.ca.debian.org
>>>> 1 experimental ftp.ca.debian.org
>>>>
>>>> --- Package information. ---
>>>> Depends (Version) | Installed
>>>> ===========================================-+-==============
>>>> libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.3.8-1) | 5.3.8-1
>>>> OR libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.3.8-1) |
>>>> OR php5-cgi (>= 5.3.8-1) |
>>>> OR php5-fpm (>= 5.3.8-1) |
>>>> php5-common (>= 5.3.8-1) | 5.3.8-1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Package's Recommends field is empty.
>>>>
>>>> Package's Suggests field is empty.

Message #42 received at 639286@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>, 639286@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#639286: [php-maint] Bug#639286: Bug#639286: [php5] please provide user interface for configuration

Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:57:53 -0600

Filipus Klutiero wrote:
> Ondřej Surý a écrit :
> >Please don't play BTS ping pong.
> What?

You opened a bug.  Ondřej closed it.  You opened it again.

> > It's neither the bug in the PHP nor it is PHP responsibility to
> > provide user friendly configuration GUI.

FWIW I agree with Ondřej.

> As I wrote, this is not a bug report, but a request for enhancement.

That is all well and good but the first problem is that php5, the
package for which you are filing this against, is not the right place
for this enhancement to go.  The second problem is that there isn't
any place for requests such as that to go.  This is not a useful
issue to track in this way.

> I don't need a GUI badly enough to install Webmin manually, the
> point is to make our life easier... but thanks.

So as I understand your statement you have been presented with a
reasonably easy way to manage your configuration file, by installing
the already existing webmin.  Webmin isn't availale as a package at
this moment but the source project exists and isn't that hard to
install.  You are rejecting this as being too difficult.  But on the
other hand you are asking Ondřej and the rest of the Debian package
management team to create from scratch a management interface for the
same, completely handle the security implications, package it, include
it in Debian, and maintain it forever.  That is what prompted me to
add this message to the discussion.

As to your original issue:
> I would like to be able to configure PHP (that is, presumably,
> modify php.ini) in a convenient way.

The most convenient way to configure the php.ini file is already
available.  It is a text file.  It may be conveniently edited with any
text editor.  If that is insufficient for you then I think it is
perfectly reasonable to expect that you would be be the one who would
need to be willing to do the work to provide alternatives.

Regards,
Bob

Message #47 received at 639286@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: 639286@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#639286: Bug#639286: Bug#639286: [php5] please provide user interface for configuration

Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:48:44 -0400

Hi Sean,
Le 2011-08-29 08:39, sean finney a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 10:11:13AM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
>> Please don't play BTS ping pong.
>>
>> It's neither the bug in the PHP nor it is PHP responsibility to provide user friendly configuration GUI.
> FWIW i agree with ondřej here... neither mysql nor apache2 provide guis for
> their configuration in their official releases either.  i imagine that if you
> took the request upstream they wouldn't be so fond of the idea either.
I think you're right. Please don't take the package assignment too 
seriously - this is simply assigned to php5 so the request can be found. 
Assuming the interface is packaged in its own binary package, it doesn't 
mean the php5 source package needs to build that package. The only 
change needed to the php5 source package may be to make php5 suggest the 
new binary package.
> this is not to argue against whether or not it's a good idea, just that you're
> asking the wrong people in the wrong place.  a very quick googling found:
>
> 	http://pear.php.net/pepr/pepr-proposal-show.php?id=346
>
> i suggest you go talk to those guys and see if there's any bitrot that needs to
> be dusted off.
Thank you, that's interesting. The current release is 1.0.0RC2, released 
on 2010-10-24. The previous release was RC 1, released in 2006. It may 
not come very fast, but it's worth tracking.
http://pear.php.net/package/Gtk2_PHPConfig/

Message #52 received at 639286@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com>, 639286@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#639286: [php-maint] Bug#639286: Bug#639286: [php5] please provide user interface for configuration

Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:07:21 -0400

Hi Bob,

Le 2011-08-29 15:57, Bob Proulx a écrit :
> Filipus Klutiero wrote:
>> Ondřej Surý a écrit :
>>> Please don't play BTS ping pong.
>> What?
> You opened a bug.  Ondřej closed it.  You opened it again.
Yes?
>> As I wrote, this is not a bug report, but a request for enhancement.
> That is all well and good but the first problem is that php5, the
> package for which you are filing this against, is not the right place
> for this enhancement to go.
You are free to think so.
>   The second problem is that there isn't
> any place for requests such as that to go.
There is always a place for requests to go. When no good place exists, 
reports can be filed against the "general" pseudo-package.
>    This is not a useful
> issue to track in this way.
I'm not sure what a useful issue to track in this way would be.
>> I don't need a GUI badly enough to install Webmin manually, the
>> point is to make our life easier... but thanks.
> So as I understand your statement you have been presented with a
> reasonably easy way to manage your configuration file, by installing
> the already existing webmin.  Webmin isn't availale as a package at
> this moment but the source project exists and isn't that hard to
> install.  You are rejecting this as being too difficult.
Please remember this is not about *my* configuration file. I'm asking 
this for all of us PHP administrators whose life could be simplified 
with a good configuration interface. I am myself just a PHP application 
developer who needs to change a PHP setting once every few months. I 
didn't mean to say that manually installing Webmin would not be worth it 
in all cases, but the Webmin way means administrators need to:
* know that Webmin can do this
* install it
* keep it up-to-date

I don't think this effort will be worth it for many.
>    But on the
> other hand you are asking Ondřej and the rest of the Debian package
> management team to create from scratch a management interface for the
> same, completely handle the security implications, package it, include
> it in Debian, and maintain it forever.
I am not asking anyone to create from scratch a management interface. 
Webmin may well be the solution. There may be another configuration 
interface already created. Or, my request may entail creating an 
interface from scratch.
I don't know, all I'm asking is to offer an interface.
> As to your original issue:
>> I would like to be able to configure PHP (that is, presumably,
>> modify php.ini) in a convenient way.
> The most convenient way to configure the php.ini file is already
> available.  It is a text file.  It may be conveniently edited with any
> text editor.  If that is insufficient for you then I think it is
> perfectly reasonable to expect that you would be be the one who would
> need to be willing to do the work to provide alternatives.
I'm not saying a configuration file is insufficient for me. All I'm 
saying is that we would provide a better product by offering users a 
better configuration interface.

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