Debian Bug report logs - #627333
start-stop-daemon: Would like to be able to redirect IO of daemon process

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: start-stop-daemon: Would like to be able to redirect IO of daemon process

Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:05:33 +0100

Package: dpkg
Version: 1.16.0.2
Severity: wishlist

It would be nice to have --stderr, --stdout and --stdin options to control
the IO of the daemon process.
This seems to be a common requirement with badly behaved server processes.
Some background links:

http://serverfault.com/questions/162602/stdout-stderr-redirects-in-start-stop-daemon

http://bugs.gentoo.org/138409

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/writing-debian-init-script-for-process-that-has-no-syslog-integration-881500/

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Message #10 received at 627333@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Marc Haber <mh+debian-bugs@zugschlus.de>

To: Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk>, 627333@bugs.debian.org, 627333-submitter@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Marc Haber <mh+debian-packages@zugschlus.de>

Subject: Re: Bug#627333: start-stop-daemon: Would like to be able to redirect IO of daemon process

Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:48:04 +0200

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 05:05:33PM +0100, Nicholas Bamber wrote:
> It would be nice to have --stderr, --stdout and --stdin options to control
> the IO of the daemon process.

+1!

Greetings
Marc

Message #18 received at 627333@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>

To: Marc Haber <mh+debian-bugs@zugschlus.de>

Cc: Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk>, 627333@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: start-stop-daemon: Would like to be able to redirect IO of daemon process

Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:06:24 -0500

Marc Haber wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 05:05:33PM +0100, Nicholas Bamber wrote:

>> It would be nice to have --stderr, --stdout and --stdin options to control
>> the IO of the daemon process.
>
> +1!

Can you say a little more?  What daemon, what workaround are you using
instead, can you think of any possible downsides and how do you suggest
mitigating them, etc?

Thanks,
Jonathan

Message #23 received at 627333@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>

To: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>, 627333@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Marc Haber <mh+debian-bugs@zugschlus.de>, Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk>

Subject: Re: Bug#627333: start-stop-daemon: Would like to be able to redirect IO of daemon process

Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 04:50:40 +0200

merge 627333 646425
thanks

Hi!

On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 16:06:24 -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> Marc Haber wrote:
> > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 05:05:33PM +0100, Nicholas Bamber wrote:
> 
> >> It would be nice to have --stderr, --stdout and --stdin options to control
> >> the IO of the daemon process.
> >
> > +1!

> Can you say a little more?  What daemon, what workaround are you using
> instead, can you think of any possible downsides and how do you suggest
> mitigating them, etc?

This is related to improper “daemons” that need the s-s-d --background
option, which implicitly closes relevant file descriptors, as it's the
norm for daemonized programs.

I was looking into this recently and came to the conclusion that it
makes more sense to ask s-s-d to not close the file descriptors, which
would allow the caller to setup any (complex) redirections on their
own, and needs less options from s-s-d side. At the same time it would
also make sense to ask s-s-d to redirect its own error messages to
somewhere else.

For the first I have on my stash a new --no-close option, which I'll
be pushing, for the second I'll be adding something new.

thanks,
guillem

Message #32 received at 627333@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Marc Haber <mh+debian-bugs@zugschlus.de>

To: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>, Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>, 627333@bugs.debian.org, Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk>

Subject: Re: Bug#627333: start-stop-daemon: Would like to be able to redirect IO of daemon process

Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:32:01 +0200

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 04:50:40AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 16:06:24 -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> > Marc Haber wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 05:05:33PM +0100, Nicholas Bamber wrote:
> > 
> > >> It would be nice to have --stderr, --stdout and --stdin options to control
> > >> the IO of the daemon process.
> > >
> > > +1!
> 
> > Can you say a little more?  What daemon, what workaround are you using
> > instead, can you think of any possible downsides and how do you suggest
> > mitigating them, etc?
> 
> This is related to improper “daemons” that need the s-s-d --background
> option

Yes, exactly. Atop, in my case.

> I was looking into this recently and came to the conclusion that it
> makes more sense to ask s-s-d to not close the file descriptors, which
> would allow the caller to setup any (complex) redirections on their
> own, and needs less options from s-s-d side.

Would it be possible to simply write s-s-d --no-close --background
daemon -- $OPTS > /var/log/mydaemon.log with this option, or would I
get into quoting hell?

Greetings
Marc

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Message #37 received at 627333@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>

To: Marc Haber <mh+debian-bugs@zugschlus.de>

Cc: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>, 627333@bugs.debian.org, Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk>

Subject: Re: Bug#627333: start-stop-daemon: Would like to be able to redirect IO of daemon process

Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:40:27 +0200

On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 13:32:01 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 04:50:40AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> > I was looking into this recently and came to the conclusion that it
> > makes more sense to ask s-s-d to not close the file descriptors, which
> > would allow the caller to setup any (complex) redirections on their
> > own, and needs less options from s-s-d side.
> 
> Would it be possible to simply write s-s-d --no-close --background
> daemon -- $OPTS > /var/log/mydaemon.log with this option, or would I
> get into quoting hell?

Yeah that'd be the idea, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean with
"quoting hell".

thanks,
guillem

Message #42 received at 627333@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk>

To: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>, Marc Haber <mh+debian-bugs@zugschlus.de>, Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>, 627333@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#627333: start-stop-daemon: Would like to be able to redirect IO of daemon process

Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:05:18 +0100

I am sure that this comment will not be of interest to anyone, but when
I had this issue originally it happened that upstream had provided a
sort of daemon wrapper process called "duende". That is now available as
one way of solving this issue. Noone would be more suprised than me if
duende became the standard way of solving these sort of issues in Debian.

On 16/06/12 13:40, Guillem Jover wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 13:32:01 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 04:50:40AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
>>> I was looking into this recently and came to the conclusion that it
>>> makes more sense to ask s-s-d to not close the file descriptors, which
>>> would allow the caller to setup any (complex) redirections on their
>>> own, and needs less options from s-s-d side.
>>
>> Would it be possible to simply write s-s-d --no-close --background
>> daemon -- $OPTS > /var/log/mydaemon.log with this option, or would I
>> get into quoting hell?
> 
> Yeah that'd be the idea, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean with
> "quoting hell".
> 
> thanks,
> guillem

Message #47 received at 627333@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Marc Haber <mh+debian-bugs@zugschlus.de>

To: Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk>

Cc: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>, Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>, 627333@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#627333: start-stop-daemon: Would like to be able to redirect IO of daemon process

Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:40:31 +0200

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 06:05:18PM +0100, Nicholas Bamber wrote:
> I am sure that this comment will not be of interest to anyone, but when
> I had this issue originally it happened that upstream had provided a
> sort of daemon wrapper process called "duende". That is now available as
> one way of solving this issue. Noone would be more suprised than me if
> duende became the standard way of solving these sort of issues in Debian.

duende will unfortunately unconditionally redirect the daemon's output
to syslog, which is not what I need in my current case.

Greetings
Marc

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Message #52 received at 627333@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Marc Haber <mh+debian-bugs@zugschlus.de>

To: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>, Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>, 627333@bugs.debian.org, Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk>

Subject: Re: Bug#627333: start-stop-daemon: Would like to be able to redirect IO of daemon process

Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:42:06 +0200

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 02:40:27PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 13:32:01 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 04:50:40AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> > > I was looking into this recently and came to the conclusion that it
> > > makes more sense to ask s-s-d to not close the file descriptors, which
> > > would allow the caller to setup any (complex) redirections on their
> > > own, and needs less options from s-s-d side.
> > 
> > Would it be possible to simply write s-s-d --no-close --background
> > daemon -- $OPTS > /var/log/mydaemon.log with this option, or would I
> > get into quoting hell?
> 
> Yeah that'd be the idea, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean with
> "quoting hell".

Quoting hell is what happens when a command is passed though multiple
instances of shells and shell expansions and you thus never know how
many \'s and "'s you need to have your metachars interpreted by the
correct shell.

Greetings
Marc

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Message #57 received at 627333@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>

To: Marc Haber <mh+debian-bugs@zugschlus.de>, 627333@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>, Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk>

Subject: Re: Bug#627333: start-stop-daemon: Would like to be able to redirect IO of daemon process

Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:06:25 +0200

On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 19:42:06 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 02:40:27PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> > On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 13:32:01 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> > > Would it be possible to simply write s-s-d --no-close --background
> > > daemon -- $OPTS > /var/log/mydaemon.log with this option, or would I
> > > get into quoting hell?
> > 
> > Yeah that'd be the idea, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean with
> > "quoting hell".
> 
> Quoting hell is what happens when a command is passed though multiple
> instances of shells and shell expansions and you thus never know how
> many \'s and "'s you need to have your metachars interpreted by the
> correct shell.

Sure and sorry, I see my comment was not very clear, should have read,
“I'm not exactly sure what you mean with "quoting hell" applied to this
particular scenario”.

thanks,
guillem

Message #62 received at 627333@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Marc Haber <mh+debian-bugs@zugschlus.de>

To: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>

Cc: Nicholas Bamber <nicholas@periapt.co.uk>, 627333@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: start-stop-daemon: Would like to be able to redirect IO of daemon process

Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:47:37 +0200

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 04:06:24PM -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> Marc Haber wrote:
> > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 05:05:33PM +0100, Nicholas Bamber wrote:
> 
> >> It would be nice to have --stderr, --stdout and --stdin options to control
> >> the IO of the daemon process.
> >
> > +1!
> 
> Can you say a little more?  What daemon, what workaround are you using
> instead, can you think of any possible downsides and how do you suggest
> mitigating them, etc?

The "daemon" in my case is atop, which writes its error messages to
stderr, and upstream wants to have those in a log. I have worked
around the s-s-d limitation by having s-s-d call a wrapper around atop
which does the redirection and then execs atop - much ugly, and
introducing a nice new class of errors since the process changes names.

Greetings
Marc

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Message #67 received at 627333-submitter@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>

To: 627333-submitter@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#627333 marked as pending

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 04:53:52 +0000

tag 627333 pending
thanks

Hello,

Bug #627333 reported by you has been fixed in the Git repository. You can
see the changelog below, and you can check the diff of the fix at:

    http://git.debian.org/?p=dpkg/dpkg.git;a=commitdiff;h=3de1552

---
commit 3de1552982f9ff60f59826d1811b2f8c0add8325
Author: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>
Date:   Sun Jun 17 06:54:40 2012 +0200

    s-s-d: Add new --no-close option to disable closing fds on --background
    
    This enabled the caller to see process messages for debugging purposes,
    or to be able to redirect file descriptors to log files, syslog or
    similar.
    
    Closes: #627333, #646425

diff --git a/debian/changelog b/debian/changelog
index 56de889..9260480 100644
--- a/debian/changelog
+++ b/debian/changelog
@@ -27,6 +27,8 @@ dpkg (1.16.5) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
     Thanks to Niels Thykier <niels@thykier.net>. Closes: #677631
   * Document in more detail in deb(5) the supported ar archive format.
   * Document in deb-src-control(5) the “Private-” field prefix.
+  * Add new start-stop-daemon --no-close option to disable closing file
+    descriptors on --background. Closes: #627333, #64642
 
   [ Updated dpkg translations ]
   * Swedish (Peter Krefting).

Message #72 received at 627333-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>

To: 627333-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#627333: fixed in dpkg 1.16.5

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:17:51 +0000

Source: dpkg
Source-Version: 1.16.5

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
dpkg, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

dpkg-dev_1.16.5_all.deb
  to main/d/dpkg/dpkg-dev_1.16.5_all.deb
dpkg_1.16.5.dsc
  to main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.16.5.dsc
dpkg_1.16.5.tar.xz
  to main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.16.5.tar.xz
dpkg_1.16.5_amd64.deb
  to main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.16.5_amd64.deb
dselect_1.16.5_amd64.deb
  to main/d/dpkg/dselect_1.16.5_amd64.deb
libdpkg-dev_1.16.5_amd64.deb
  to main/d/dpkg/libdpkg-dev_1.16.5_amd64.deb
libdpkg-perl_1.16.5_all.deb
  to main/d/dpkg/libdpkg-perl_1.16.5_all.deb



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 627333@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> (supplier of updated dpkg package)

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   [ Updated dpkg translations ]
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