Debian Bug report logs - #605605
apt: uninteresting NEWS.Debian

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Package: apt; Maintainer for apt is APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>; Source for apt is src:apt.

Reported by: Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org>

Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 18:30:02 UTC

Severity: minor

Found in version apt/0.8.8

Done: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>

Bug is archived. No further changes may be made.

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Report forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, jwilk@debian.org, APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#605605; Package apt. (Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:30:04 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org>:
New Bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to jwilk@debian.org, APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>. (Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:30:05 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: apt: uninteresting NEWS.Debian
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:26:31 +0100
Package: apt
Version: 0.8.8
Severity: minor

NEWS.Debian includes these:

| * Already included in the last version but now with better documentation
|   is the possibility to add/prefer different compression types while
|   downloading archive information, which can decrease the time needed for
|   update on slow machines. See apt.conf (5) manpage for details.
| * APT manages his manpage translations now with po4a, thanks to Nicolas
|   François and Kurasawa Nozomu, who also provide the ja translation.
|   Thanks to Christian Perrier we have already a fr translation and
|   a few more are hopefully added in the near future.
| * This version also introduces some _experimental_ configuration options
|   to make more aggressive use of dpkg's triggers. If you want to help
|   testing these _experimental_ options see apt.conf (5) manpage.

None of them look newsworthy to me. Could they be removed from 
NEWS.Debian? Thanks for considering.

-- 
Jakub Wilk




Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#605605; Package apt. (Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:09:10 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to David Kalnischkies <kalnischkies+debian@gmail.com>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>. (Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:09:10 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #10 received at 605605@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: David Kalnischkies <kalnischkies+debian@gmail.com>
To: 605605@bugs.debian.org
Cc: Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#605605: apt: uninteresting NEWS.Debian
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 20:06:13 +0100
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 19:26, Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org> wrote:
> | * Already included in the last version but now with better documentation
> |   is the possibility to add/prefer different compression types while
> |   downloading archive information, which can decrease the time needed for
> |   update on slow machines. See apt.conf (5) manpage for details.

I was told on d-devel that this is a great feature for e.g. s390 machines
and of general usefulness, thats why it was enhanced and got this entry
in the first place…

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00955.html


> | * APT manages his manpage translations now with po4a, thanks to Nicolas
> |   François and Kurasawa Nozomu, who also provide the ja translation.
> |   Thanks to Christian Perrier we have already a fr translation and
> |   a few more are hopefully added in the near future.

Having a translation of a manpage looks for me like a great feature.
People get pinning for example always wrong, now they can read in their
native tongue what is wrong. ;) Not to mention the various config options…
And last but not least it encourages maybe more translations… :)
We have btw currently complete documentation in de, es, fr and pt - ja only
manpages and pl only some manpages…

After all, that are currently 1048 paragraphs(!) to translate…
In my humble opinion, thats a pretty big achievement.


> | * This version also introduces some _experimental_ configuration options
> |   to make more aggressive use of dpkg's triggers. If you want to help
> |   testing these _experimental_ options see apt.conf (5) manpage.

Again something people asked for (e.g. for possible use in d-i).
The major obstacle against defaulting to them left is the progress reporting…
Something which isn't shown in APT at all but its front-ends…

It avoids some pretty hard bugs caused by the need to split too long
dpkg calls, which happens sometimes at the wrong position  - and is
even a small speed improvement - maybe even bigger if #526774 would
show progress…

But yes, this one could possible be removed.
Properly we could/should add others…

It very much depends on which angle you look at APT and as it used in many
ways you can have many angles… (best example is the first point)

Given that this news-entry is more than a year old,
it can't be useless for everyone after all.


Best regards

David Kalnischkies




Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#605605; Package apt. (Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:15:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>. (Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:15:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #15 received at 605605@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>
To: David Kalnischkies <kalnischkies+debian@gmail.com>
Cc: 605605@bugs.debian.org, Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#605605: apt: uninteresting NEWS.Debian
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 09:13:39 +0100
David Kalnischkies <kalnischkies+debian@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 19:26, Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org> wrote:
>> | * Already included in the last version but now with better documentation
>> |   is the possibility to add/prefer different compression types while
>> |   downloading archive information, which can decrease the time needed for
>> |   update on slow machines. See apt.conf (5) manpage for details.
>
> I was told on d-devel that this is a great feature for e.g. s390 machines
> and of general usefulness, thats why it was enhanced and got this entry
> in the first place…
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00955.html

It is a great feature and something users should be made aware of. They
do need to modify their config to benefit from it. This should be
mentioned in NEW once. Only remove this if the last version already had
an entry for it please.

>> | * APT manages his manpage translations now with po4a, thanks to Nicolas
>> |   François and Kurasawa Nozomu, who also provide the ja translation.
>> |   Thanks to Christian Perrier we have already a fr translation and
>> |   a few more are hopefully added in the near future.
>
> Having a translation of a manpage looks for me like a great feature.
> People get pinning for example always wrong, now they can read in their
> native tongue what is wrong. ;) Not to mention the various config options…
> And last but not least it encourages maybe more translations… :)
> We have btw currently complete documentation in de, es, fr and pt - ja only
> manpages and pl only some manpages…
>
> After all, that are currently 1048 paragraphs(!) to translate…
> In my humble opinion, thats a pretty big achievement.

Obviously manpages are a good thing. But no reason for a NEWS entry. It
really does not matter to the user how the manpages for apt where
generated. Just that they are there.

>> | * This version also introduces some _experimental_ configuration options
>> |   to make more aggressive use of dpkg's triggers. If you want to help
>> |   testing these _experimental_ options see apt.conf (5) manpage.
>
> Again something people asked for (e.g. for possible use in d-i).
> The major obstacle against defaulting to them left is the progress reporting…
> Something which isn't shown in APT at all but its front-ends…
>
> It avoids some pretty hard bugs caused by the need to split too long
> dpkg calls, which happens sometimes at the wrong position  - and is
> even a small speed improvement - maybe even bigger if #526774 would
> show progress…
>
> But yes, this one could possible be removed.
> Properly we could/should add others…
>
> It very much depends on which angle you look at APT and as it used in many
> ways you can have many angles… (best example is the first point)
>
> Given that this news-entry is more than a year old,
> it can't be useless for everyone after all.

I think this should stay for unstable/experimental. But it has no place
in stable/testing. The feature is experimental, it says so itself, and
stable/testing users should not be invited to play with such dangerous
things.

Just my 2c,
        Goswin




Bug Marked as found in versions 8.1+dfsg-7.1. Request was from "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:39:10 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Added tag(s) squeeze-ignore. Request was from "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:39:11 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Bug No longer marked as found in versions 8.1+dfsg-7.1. Request was from "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:51:07 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Removed tag(s) squeeze-ignore. Request was from "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:51:08 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#605605; Package apt. (Tue, 22 May 2012 14:33:09 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>. (Tue, 22 May 2012 14:33:09 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #28 received at 605605@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
To: Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org>
Cc: 605605@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: apt: uninteresting NEWS.Debian
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:29:36 -0500
Hi Jakub,

Jakub Wilk wrote:

> NEWS.Debian includes these:
>
> | * Already included in the last version but now with better documentation
> |   is the possibility to add/prefer different compression types while
> |   downloading archive information, which can decrease the time needed for
> |   update on slow machines. See apt.conf (5) manpage for details.
> | * APT manages his manpage translations now with po4a, thanks to Nicolas
> |   François and Kurasawa Nozomu, who also provide the ja translation.
> |   Thanks to Christian Perrier we have already a fr translation and
> |   a few more are hopefully added in the near future.
> | * This version also introduces some _experimental_ configuration options
> |   to make more aggressive use of dpkg's triggers. If you want to help
> |   testing these _experimental_ options see apt.conf (5) manpage.
>
> None of them look newsworthy to me. Could they be removed from
> NEWS.Debian? Thanks for considering.

I agree with the thought, but it seems like water under the bridge now
since squeeze has been released.  Do you mind if I close this?
Alternatively, if you would like apt's NEWS.Debian to set a good
example (which sounds like a nice thing to do), can you suggest a
patch?

Thanks and hope that helps,
Jonathan




Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#605605; Package apt. (Tue, 22 May 2012 16:27:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #31 received at 605605@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org>
To: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>, 605605@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: apt: uninteresting NEWS.Debian
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 18:23:50 +0200
* Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>, 2012-05-22, 09:29:
>Do you mind if I close this?

Meh, feel free.

-- 
Jakub Wilk




Reply sent to Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>:
You have taken responsibility. (Tue, 22 May 2012 16:42:06 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Notification sent to Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org>:
Bug acknowledged by developer. (Tue, 22 May 2012 16:42:06 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #36 received at 605605-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
To: 605605-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: apt: uninteresting NEWS.Debian
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:39:26 -0500
Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>, 2012-05-22, 09:29:

>> Do you mind if I close this?
>
> Meh, feel free.

Thanks.  Doing so.




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