Debian Bug report logs - #603174
Build php5-fpm SAPI

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Package: php5; Maintainer for php5 is Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>; Source for php5 is src:php5 (PTS, buildd, popcon).

Reported by: Carlos Pasqualini <pasqualinic@fcal.uner.edu.ar>

Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:03:01 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Found in version php5/5.3.3-2

Fixed in version php5/5.3.5-1

Done: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>

Bug is archived. No further changes may be made.

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Report forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>:
Bug#603174; Package php5. (Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:03:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Acknowledgement sent to Carlos Pasqualini <pasqualinic@fcal.uner.edu.ar>:
New Bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>. (Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:03:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Carlos Pasqualini <pasqualinic@fcal.uner.edu.ar>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: php5-fpm does not exist anymore
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:35:19 -0300
Package: php5
Version: 5.3.3-2
Severity: important

some time ago i installed php5-fpm from experimental, it works great with
NginX.
in a upgrade, i saw that the package doesn't exist anymore, it was not builded
in the version -2 of php5 5.3.3-2 but it did exist in 5.3.3-1

please build that package, at least in experimental. It is part of the new PHP
version, is not an added patch anymore

In http://www.php.net/archive/2010.php#id2010-07-22-2 you can see a line in the
section:

Key enhancements in PHP 5.3.3 include:
....
Added FastCGI Process Manager (FPM) SAPI.
....

thanks!



-- System Information:
Debian Release: squeeze/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.36-crp-1 (PREEMPT)
Locale: LANG=es_AR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=es_AR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash




Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>:
Bug#603174; Package php5. (Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:00:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Acknowledgement sent to Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>. (Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:00:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Message #10 received at 603174@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>
To: Carlos Pasqualini <pasqualinic@fcal.uner.edu.ar>, 603174@bugs.debian.org
Cc: control <control@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#603174: php5-fpm does not exist anymore
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:58:24 +0100
severity 603174 wishlist
retitle 603174 Build php5-fpm SAPI
thank you

How on the earth is this severity important? Experimental is just what
it is - the experimental. You should not rely on it for anything but
experiments.

Anyway... php5-fpm will be added to unstable after squeeze release
again, but right now it just didn't have enough testing to go to next
stable.

Ondrej.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 17:35, Carlos Pasqualini
<pasqualinic@fcal.uner.edu.ar> wrote:
> Package: php5
> Version: 5.3.3-2
> Severity: important
>
> some time ago i installed php5-fpm from experimental, it works great with
> NginX.
> in a upgrade, i saw that the package doesn't exist anymore, it was not builded
> in the version -2 of php5 5.3.3-2 but it did exist in 5.3.3-1
>
> please build that package, at least in experimental. It is part of the new PHP
> version, is not an added patch anymore
>
> In http://www.php.net/archive/2010.php#id2010-07-22-2 you can see a line in the
> section:
>
> Key enhancements in PHP 5.3.3 include:
> ....
> Added FastCGI Process Manager (FPM) SAPI.
> ....
>
> thanks!
>
>
>
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: squeeze/sid
>  APT prefers testing
>  APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental')
> Architecture: i386 (i686)
>
> Kernel: Linux 2.6.36-crp-1 (PREEMPT)
> Locale: LANG=es_AR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=es_AR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
> Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pkg-php-maint mailing list
> pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-maint
>



-- 
Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org>
http://blog.rfc1925.org/




Severity set to 'wishlist' from 'important' Request was from Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:00:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Changed Bug title to 'Build php5-fpm SAPI' from 'php5-fpm does not exist anymore' Request was from Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:00:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>:
Bug#603174; Package php5. (Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:51:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Acknowledgement sent to "Carlos R. Pasqualini" <pasqualinic@fcal.uner.edu.ar>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>. (Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:51:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Message #19 received at 603174@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Carlos R. Pasqualini" <pasqualinic@fcal.uner.edu.ar>
To: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>
Cc: 603174@bugs.debian.org, control <control@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#603174: php5-fpm does not exist anymore
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:18:54 -0300
El jue, 11-11-2010 a las 18:58 +0100, Ondřej Surý escribió:
> severity 603174 wishlist
> retitle 603174 Build php5-fpm SAPI
> thank you
> 
> How on the earth is this severity important? Experimental is just what
> it is - the experimental. You should not rely on it for anything but
> experiments.

sorry if i misunderstand the severity level, at least for me it was
important, and the other levels of severity doesn't seems to reflect the
importance which represents "for me" to have such a package in an
experimental / unstable state.

wishlist doesn't seems to be the right severity when i found such a
package doesn't exist anymore, as the package already existed before.
Now, according to your point of view, i agree that such level of
severity is according to the needs.

> Anyway... php5-fpm will be added to unstable after squeeze release
> again, but right now it just didn't have enough testing to go to next
> stable.

what i was asking was not to put php5-fpm into squeeze, of course it
will not have enough testing, but what i am asking is to have such
package in experimental/unstable, so the community can test it and
report bugs for inclusion on the next testing period of Debian.

> 
> Ondrej.

Thank you Ondrej and the Debian Community for your great Job!







Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>:
Bug#603174; Package php5. (Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:00:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Acknowledgement sent to hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@gmail.com>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>. (Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:00:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Message #24 received at 603174@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@gmail.com>
To: 603174@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Why do we get just *part* of 5.3.3?
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:56:46 +0100
Since 5.3.3. fpm is integrated into main php. So, if we have php 5.3.3
*without* fpm, it effectively means that php in debian is crippled?
What could be possible rationale for removing features from upstream?

Regards,

Hubert Lubaczewski




Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>:
Bug#603174; Package php5. (Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:21:07 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Acknowledgement sent to Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>. (Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:21:07 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Message #29 received at 603174@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>
To: hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@gmail.com>, 603174@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#603174: Why do we get just *part* of 5.3.3?
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:18:21 +0100
You had described the reason for not including php-fpm just in the
first sentence:
> Since 5.3.3. fpm is integrated into main php.

And as I said before (and it's logged under the #603174 bug):
> Anyway... php5-fpm will be added to unstable after squeeze release
> again, but right now it just didn't have enough testing to go to next
> stable.

> So, if we have php 5.3.3 *without* fpm, it effectively means that php in debian is crippled?

That's a nonsense, and you knew it when you wrote the email. The way
of exaggerating anything isn't a really good way how to achieve
anything. Please don't do that. It just add unnecessary stress on the
PHP maintainers.

> What could be possible rationale for removing features from upstream?

Sorry, but this is just pure demagogy. There is a zillion of features
which we don't enable in upstream php. Again please don't do that.

O.
-- 
Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org>
http://blog.rfc1925.org/




Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>:
Bug#603174; Package php5. (Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:51:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Acknowledgement sent to Thomas Goirand <thomas@goirand.fr>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>. (Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:51:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Message #34 received at 603174@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thomas Goirand <thomas@goirand.fr>
To: hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@gmail.com>, 603174@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#603174: Why do we get just *part* of 5.3.3?
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 01:50:43 +0800
On 12/13/2010 10:56 PM, hubert depesz lubaczewski wrote:
> Since 5.3.3. fpm is integrated into main php. So, if we have php 5.3.3
> *without* fpm, it effectively means that php in debian is crippled?
> What could be possible rationale for removing features from upstream?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hubert Lubaczewski

This was a request from the release team that didn't want too much
change between php 5.3.2 and the new 5.3.3.

BTW, waking-up so late on this issue, and so close from the release of
Squeeze, and without reading what has been already said about it, seems
a bit ... hum ... inappropriate at least! :)

If you are searching for a solution on how to do safe executions of PHP,
by the way, I would suggest you to use SBOX. It does safe chroot,
setlimits and setuid before executing (of course, you need a working
environment in your chroot...). I'm currently working on a new version
that makes it possible for sbox to find the PHP interpreter without
having to play with binfmt_misc, and it's been already working
experimentally. If you care, you can clone:

http://git.gplhost.com/sbox.git

I've just finished adding the support for Apache SetEnv directive, so
that any variables in /etc/sbox.conf can be overwritten on a per-vhost
basis. Oh, and it's also working for python and perl cgi scripts! :)

I think the above is a way more safe than using fcgid, even though it
might not perform as well (this would have to be benched, I'm really not
sure).

Thomas




Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>:
Bug#603174; Package php5. (Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:03:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Acknowledgement sent to hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@gmail.com>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>. (Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:03:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Message #39 received at 603174@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@gmail.com>
To: Thomas Goirand <thomas@goirand.fr>, 603174@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#603174: [php-maint] Bug#603174: Why do we get just *part* of 5.3.3?
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:01:32 +0100
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Thomas Goirand <thomas@goirand.fr> wrote:
> This was a request from the release team that didn't want too much
> change between php 5.3.2 and the new 5.3.3.
>
> BTW, waking-up so late on this issue, and so close from the release of
> Squeeze, and without reading what has been already said about it, seems
> a bit ... hum ... inappropriate at least! :)

I did some googling - "php fpm debian", but didn't find any reasonable
links. Perhaps, someone knowing could/should provide link in this bug?

> If you are searching for a solution on how to do safe executions of PHP,
> by the way, I would suggest you to use SBOX. It does safe chroot,
> setlimits and setuid before executing (of course, you need a working
> environment in your chroot...). I'm currently working on a new version
> that makes it possible for sbox to find the PHP interpreter without
> having to play with binfmt_misc, and it's been already working
> experimentally. If you care, you can clone:
> I've just finished adding the support for Apache SetEnv directive, so
> that any variables in /etc/sbox.conf can be overwritten on a per-vhost
> basis. Oh, and it's also working for python and perl cgi scripts! :)
> I think the above is a way more safe than using fcgid, even though it
> might not perform as well (this would have to be benched, I'm really not
> sure).

thanks will check.

regards,

depesz

-- 
http://www.depesz.com/ - nowy, lepszy depesz




Added tag(s) pending. Request was from Anibal Monsalve Salazar <anibal@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Wed, 16 Feb 2011 19:09:22 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Reply sent to Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>:
You have taken responsibility. (Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:51:26 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Notification sent to Carlos Pasqualini <pasqualinic@fcal.uner.edu.ar>:
Bug acknowledged by developer. (Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:51:26 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).


Message #46 received at 603174-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>
To: 603174-close@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Bug#603174: fixed in php5 5.3.5-1
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:49:57 +0000
Source: php5
Source-Version: 5.3.5-1

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
php5, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

libapache2-mod-php5_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/libapache2-mod-php5_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
libapache2-mod-php5filter_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/libapache2-mod-php5filter_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php-pear_5.3.5-1_all.deb
  to main/p/php5/php-pear_5.3.5-1_all.deb
php5-cgi_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-cgi_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-cli_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-cli_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-common_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-common_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-curl_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-curl_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-dbg_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-dbg_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-dev_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-dev_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-enchant_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-enchant_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-fpm_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-fpm_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-gd_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-gd_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-gmp_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-gmp_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-imap_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-imap_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-interbase_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-interbase_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-intl_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-intl_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-ldap_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-ldap_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-mcrypt_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-mcrypt_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-mysql_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-mysql_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-odbc_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-odbc_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-pgsql_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-pgsql_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-pspell_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-pspell_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-recode_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-recode_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-snmp_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-snmp_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-sqlite_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-sqlite_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-sybase_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-sybase_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-tidy_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-tidy_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-xmlrpc_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-xmlrpc_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5-xsl_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5-xsl_5.3.5-1_amd64.deb
php5_5.3.5-1.diff.gz
  to main/p/php5/php5_5.3.5-1.diff.gz
php5_5.3.5-1.dsc
  to main/p/php5/php5_5.3.5-1.dsc
php5_5.3.5-1_all.deb
  to main/p/php5/php5_5.3.5-1_all.deb
php5_5.3.5.orig.tar.gz
  to main/p/php5/php5_5.3.5.orig.tar.gz



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 603174@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org> (supplier of updated php5 package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
administrators by mailing ftpmaster@debian.org)


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Format: 1.8
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:17:32 +0100
Source: php5
Binary: php5 php5-common libapache2-mod-php5 libapache2-mod-php5filter php5-cgi php5-cli php5-fpm php5-dev php5-dbg php-pear php5-curl php5-enchant php5-gd php5-gmp php5-imap php5-interbase php5-intl php5-ldap php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php5-odbc php5-pgsql php5-pspell php5-recode php5-snmp php5-sqlite php5-sybase php5-tidy php5-xmlrpc php5-xsl
Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 5.3.5-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>
Description: 
 libapache2-mod-php5 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (Apache 2 module)
 libapache2-mod-php5filter - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2 filter mo
 php-pear   - PEAR - PHP Extension and Application Repository
 php5       - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (metapackage)
 php5-cgi   - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (CGI binary)
 php5-cli   - command-line interpreter for the php5 scripting language
 php5-common - Common files for packages built from the php5 source
 php5-curl  - CURL module for php5
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 php5-dev   - Files for PHP5 module development
 php5-enchant - Enchant module for php5
 php5-fpm   - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (FPM-CGI binary)
 php5-gd    - GD module for php5
 php5-gmp   - GMP module for php5
 php5-imap  - IMAP module for php5
 php5-interbase - interbase/firebird module for php5
 php5-intl  - internationalisation module for php5
 php5-ldap  - LDAP module for php5
 php5-mcrypt - MCrypt module for php5
 php5-mysql - MySQL module for php5
 php5-odbc  - ODBC module for php5
 php5-pgsql - PostgreSQL module for php5
 php5-pspell - pspell module for php5
 php5-recode - recode module for php5
 php5-snmp  - SNMP module for php5
 php5-sqlite - SQLite module for php5
 php5-sybase - Sybase / MS SQL Server module for php5
 php5-tidy  - tidy module for php5
 php5-xmlrpc - XML-RPC module for php5
 php5-xsl   - XSL module for php5
Closes: 603174 610935
Changes: 
 php5 (5.3.5-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Imported Upstream version 5.3.5
   * Updated suhosin patch to 0.9.10
   * Add Conflict: with php5-idn to php5-intl (Closes: #610935)
   * Build the FPM SAPI (Closes: #603174)
   * Adapted (and removed upstream-applied) patches to php 5.3.5
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