Debian Bug report logs - #588668
new mailing list request: debian-mx

Package: lists.debian.org; Maintainer for lists.debian.org is Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>;

Reported by: Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org>

Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 00:51:02 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Done: Alexander Wirt <formorer@debian.org>

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Report forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, gwolf@debian.org, Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#588668; Package lists.debian.org. (Sun, 11 Jul 2010 00:51:05 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #3 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org>
To: submit@bugs.debian.org
Subject: new mailing list request: debian-mx
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:29:30 -0500
[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]
Package: lists.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

Hi,

Name: debian-mx

Rationale: some Debian users and developers in Mexico are trying to revive the 
Debian community in Mexico. Some years ago there used to be a list but at some 
point the server was shut down and the community as a whole disappeared.
This time the goal is to build the community around Debian, and using the 
existing lists.d.o infrastructure would be of great help (administration and 
global community-wise.)

Description: Discussion list for the Mexican Debian community

Category: Other (or misc)

Subscription policy: open

Web archive: yes

CC'ing gwolf as he probably knows who (or he himself) has access to the old 
archives so that they can be imported.

Cheers,
-- 
Raphael Geissert - Debian Developer
www.debian.org - get.debian.net
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Bug#588668; Package lists.debian.org. (Sun, 11 Jul 2010 01:00:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>:
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Message #8 received at 588668@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>
To: 588668@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: new mailing list request: debian-mx
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:57:22 -0500
+1

Thanks in advance!
-- 
Fernando C. Estrada





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Bug#588668; Package lists.debian.org. (Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:33:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@gwolf.org>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>. (Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:33:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #13 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@gwolf.org>
To: Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org>, 588668@bugs.debian.org
Cc: submit@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#588668: new mailing list request: debian-mx
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:31:26 -0500
Raphael Geissert dijo [Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 07:29:30PM -0500]:
> Rationale: some Debian users and developers in Mexico are trying to revive the 
> Debian community in Mexico. Some years ago there used to be a list but at some 
> point the server was shut down and the community as a whole disappeared.
> This time the goal is to build the community around Debian, and using the 
> existing lists.d.o infrastructure would be of great help (administration and 
> global community-wise.)
> 
> Description: Discussion list for the Mexican Debian community
> 
> Category: Other (or misc)
> 
> Subscription policy: open
> 
> Web archive: yes
> 
> CC'ing gwolf as he probably knows who (or he himself) has access to the old 
> archives so that they can be imported.

Greetings from a little hostel lost deep in Tucumán, Argentina ;-)

It can be an interesting idea. IIRC, the domain was owned by Jordi
Adame (Mexican developer, now runs a web programming shop, Astrata),
and the server was hosted by Alejandro Sánchez ("Lurkan", at
e-compugraf). I know you joined in quite a bit after that, but if you
want me to get you in touch with either of them, just ask.

FWIW, I doubt we have any archives... Old business :)






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Bug#588668; Package lists.debian.org. (Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:54:04 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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Message #23 received at 588668@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>
To: 588668@bugs.debian.org, damog@debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#588668: new mailing list request: debian-mx
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:51:02 -0500
Hi

I asked Alejandro Sánchez about a backup of the old mailing list but he
confirmed that he doesn't have any backup, but he suggested me to ask
David Moreno (damog) just in the case Alejandro sent him a backup in
that time, so I have included in copy of this message.

Regards!
-- 
Fernando C. Estrada





Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#588668; Package lists.debian.org. (Tue, 24 Aug 2010 01:03:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to listmaster@lists.debian.org:
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Message #28 received at 588668@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Don Armstrong <don@debian.org>
To: 592708@bugs.debian.org, 588668@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#592708:
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:58:40 -0700
user lists.debian.org@packages.debian.org
usertag 592708 newlist
usertag 588668 newlist
usertag 588812 newlist
usertag 586077 newlist
severity 592708 wishlist
thanks

The listmasters have thought about the request to create
debian-india@lists.debian.org. We have the following reservations, and
an alternative suggestion.

First, we are operating under the assumption that the primary language
of the mailing list will be english; if this is an incorrect
assumption, then -india is certainly the wrong suffix, and it should
really be -hindi (or whatever language will be used primarily).

1) We want to avoid balkanization. Technical discussions, mentoring,
and support should ideally be held on the appropriate english language
mailing list [-devel, -mentors, -users, etc.] where they will reach
a wider audience and be better integrated into the debian community as
a whole.
  - For a single mailing list, this is less of an issue, but you can
    imagine the problems if we had a -usa, -france, etc. Establishing
    precident here is problematic.

2) Localization is important, but localization is language specific,
and there are existing mailing lists (-l10n- and -i18n) which exist
(and should be expanded for localization into Hindi, Marathi, Nepali,
etc. as we have teams who work on l10n.)

3) Generally speaking, for events, we have used -events-* to handle
those sorts of thing; however, that doesn't seem to be the main goal
of the proposed list. [Probably we need to create an overal -events
mailing list to handle events for which there isn't yet a region
specific events list.]

Instead, to address your request, we suggest creating a new paradigm
for mailing lists in a particular geographic region which serve to
bind groups of debian users together. Thus,
debian-dug-india@lists.debian.org or debian-dug-india@teams.debian.net
would be created; this list would allow Debian User Groups in india to
communicate with eachother. It would not be specific to a particular
user group in india. [Any additional -dug- which are created would
also not be specific to a particular user group; this is to avoid
Debian appearing to designate a particular user group in a particular
area as the one "official" Debian User Group.]

We also suggest that a related request for debian-mx use this same
method, and a mailing list be setup called debian-dug-mx or
debian-dug-mexico.

These mailing lists would (ideally) be restricted to messages which
serve to coordinate local events, user groups, and elements of
particular concern to users in that area. Subscribers to these mailing
lists should be encouraged to subscribe to the main Debian mailing
lists and discuss issues there whereever appropriate.

We still haven't decided which of lists.debian.org or teams.debian.net
is more appropriate, either, so it's possible that we will suggest
that -dug- end up on teams.debian.net instead of lists.debian.org.
[I'm sending this message to the bug slightly prematurely so that you
all know what we're doing; once we come to a decision, we'll update
everyone again.]


Don Armstrong

-- 
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http://www.donarmstrong.com              http://rzlab.ucr.edu




Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#588668; Package lists.debian.org. (Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:30:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>. (Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:30:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #33 received at 588668@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>
To: 588668@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#592708:
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:27:54 -0500
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 17:58 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:

Hi Don

> We also suggest that a related request for debian-mx use this same
> method, and a mailing list be setup called debian-dug-mx or
> debian-dug-mexico.

Great!, debian-dug-mx sounds nice :-)

> These mailing lists would (ideally) be restricted to messages which
> serve to coordinate local events, user groups, and elements of
> particular concern to users in that area. Subscribers to these mailing
> lists should be encouraged to subscribe to the main Debian mailing
> lists and discuss issues there whereever appropriate.

Completely agree.

> We still haven't decided which of lists.debian.org or teams.debian.net
> is more appropriate, either, so it's possible that we will suggest
> that -dug- end up on teams.debian.net instead of lists.debian.org.
> [I'm sending this message to the bug slightly prematurely so that you
> all know what we're doing; once we come to a decision, we'll update
> everyone again.]

Thanks a lot!

> Don Armstrong

-- 
Fernando C. Estrada





Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#588668; Package lists.debian.org. (Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:03:09 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>:
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Message #38 received at 588668@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>
To: 588668@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: new mailing list request: debian-mx
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 03:58:41 -0500
Hi,

Just to supplement the original request.

Name: debian-mx was the original request but Don proposed debian-dug-mx

Short Description: Discussion list for the Mexican Debian Community
Spanish Translation: Lista de discusión de la comunidad de Debian en
México

Long Description: Discussion list for the Debian community in Mexico
without being tied to a particular group in order to link all groups and
individuals in the country and facilitate the coordination of local
events.
Spanish Translation: Lista de discusión de la comunidad de Debian en
México sin estar ligada a un grupo en particular, con la finalidad de
vincular a todos los grupos y personas en el país, así como facilitar la
coordinación de eventos locales.

Subscription Policy: open

Post Policy: open

Web Archive: yes

There is not a backup of the previous list but there is a temporal list
[1] right now using the Google Groups service while this list is
created, so at the moment to create the new list please advise me to
provide the previous messages.

Regards,

[1] http://groups.google.com/group/debian-mx
-- 
Fernando C. Estrada





Reply sent to Alexander Wirt <formorer@debian.org>:
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Bug acknowledged by developer. (Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:21:16 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #43 received at 588668-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Alexander Wirt <formorer@debian.org>
To: "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>, 588668-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#588668: new mailing list request: debian-mx
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:19:21 +0200
Fernando C. Estrada schrieb am Sunday, den 26. September 2010:

Hi, 

> Just to supplement the original request.
> 
> Name: debian-mx was the original request but Don proposed debian-dug-mx
*snip*
 
Good timing :). I'm currently processing new list requests and you fixes came
just in time. So I created the list. 

> There is not a backup of the previous list but there is a temporal list
> [1] right now using the Google Groups service while this list is
> created, so at the moment to create the new list please advise me to
> provide the previous messages.
If you could provide me the mails as an mbox I'll be able to import them. 

If you encounter any problems with the list please come back to me
Have fun with the new list
Alex - Debian Listmaster





Message #44 received at 588668-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>
To: Alexander Wirt <formorer@debian.org>
Cc: 588668-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#588668: new mailing list request: debian-mx
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 07:21:03 -0500
[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]
El dom, 26-09-2010 a las 11:19 +0200, Alexander Wirt escribió:
> Fernando C. Estrada schrieb am Sunday, den 26. September 2010:
> 
> Hi, 

Hi Alexander

> > Just to supplement the original request.
> > 
> > Name: debian-mx was the original request but Don proposed debian-dug-mx
> *snip*
>  
> Good timing :). I'm currently processing new list requests and you fixes came
> just in time. So I created the list. 

Thanks a lot! ;-), so what's the decision about the name (debian-mx or
debian-dug-mx) of the list and where will be? (l.d.o or
teams.debian.net)

> > There is not a backup of the previous list but there is a temporal list
> > [1] right now using the Google Groups service while this list is
> > created, so at the moment to create the new list please advise me to
> > provide the previous messages.
> If you could provide me the mails as an mbox I'll be able to import them. 

In the attached files are the mbox files for August and September.

In the case is possible there are in the csv attached file the current
subscribers, if not just advise me.

> If you encounter any problems with the list please come back to me
> Have fun with the new list
> Alex - Debian Listmaster
> 

Thanks for your help!
-- 
Fernando C. Estrada
[debian-mx201008.mbox (application/mbox, attachment)]
[debian-mx201009.mbox (application/mbox, attachment)]
[debian-mx.csv (text/csv, attachment)]

Message #45 received at 588668-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Alexander Wirt <formorer@formorer.de>
To: "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>
Cc: 588668-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#588668: new mailing list request: debian-mx
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:24:58 +0200
Fernando C. Estrada schrieb am Sunday, den 26. September 2010:

> El dom, 26-09-2010 a las 11:19 +0200, Alexander Wirt escribió:
> > Fernando C. Estrada schrieb am Sunday, den 26. September 2010:
> > 
> > Hi, 
> 
> Hi Alexander
> 
> > > Just to supplement the original request.
> > > 
> > > Name: debian-mx was the original request but Don proposed debian-dug-mx
> > *snip*
> >  
> > Good timing :). I'm currently processing new list requests and you fixes came
> > just in time. So I created the list. 
> 
> Thanks a lot! ;-), so what's the decision about the name (debian-mx or
> debian-dug-mx) of the list and where will be? (l.d.o or
> teams.debian.net)
http://lists.debian.org/debian-dug-mx/
> 
> > > There is not a backup of the previous list but there is a temporal list
> > > [1] right now using the Google Groups service while this list is
> > > created, so at the moment to create the new list please advise me to
> > > provide the previous messages.
> > If you could provide me the mails as an mbox I'll be able to import them. 
> 
> In the attached files are the mbox files for August and September.
> 
> In the case is possible there are in the csv attached file the current
> subscribers, if not just advise me.
I'll import the old messages and the old subscribers later that day. Should I
just import the old subscribers silently or should subcriber confirm the
subscription? 

Alex





Message #46 received at 588668-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>
To: Alexander Wirt <formorer@formorer.de>
Cc: 588668-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#588668: new mailing list request: debian-mx
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 07:32:09 -0500
El dom, 26-09-2010 a las 14:24 +0200, Alexander Wirt escribió:
> Fernando C. Estrada schrieb am Sunday, den 26. September 2010:
> > 
> > In the case is possible there are in the csv attached file the current
> > subscribers, if not just advise me.

> I'll import the old messages and the old subscribers later that day. Should I
> just import the old subscribers silently or should subcriber confirm the
> subscription? 

If it's possible silently do it silently to keep the list migration
without impact ;-) (Subscribers can unsubscribe from the list in a
future if they don't like to continue in the list).

> Alex

Thanks Alex!
-- 
Fernando C. Estrada





Message #47 received at 588668-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Alexander Wirt <formorer@formorer.de>
To: "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>
Cc: 588668-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#588668: new mailing list request: debian-mx
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:39:02 +0200
Fernando C. Estrada schrieb am Sunday, den 26. September 2010:

Hi, 

> > > In the case is possible there are in the csv attached file the current
> > > subscribers, if not just advise me.
> 
> > I'll import the old messages and the old subscribers later that day. Should I
> > just import the old subscribers silently or should subcriber confirm the
> > subscription? 
> 
> If it's possible silently do it silently to keep the list migration
> without impact ;-) (Subscribers can unsubscribe from the list in a
> future if they don't like to continue in the list).
Ok. 

Archives imported: http://lists.debian.org/debian-dug-mx/2010/09/threads.html
Users imported, you should announce the list and the automatic subscription
to all subscribers. 

> Thanks Alex!
You are welcome.

Alex - Debian Listmaster
 




Message #48 received at 588668-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Fernando C. Estrada" <fcestrada@fcestrada.com>
To: Alexander Wirt <formorer@formorer.de>
Cc: 588668-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#588668: new mailing list request: debian-mx
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:07:55 -0500
El dom, 26-09-2010 a las 14:39 +0200, Alexander Wirt escribió:
> Fernando C. Estrada schrieb am Sunday, den 26. September 2010:
> 
> Archives imported: http://lists.debian.org/debian-dug-mx/2010/09/threads.html
> Users imported, you should announce the list and the automatic subscription
> to all subscribers. 

Mission accomplished! the announcement message was sent [1]. I reviewed
and all is fine.

Thanks a lot for your hard work! (remind me to invite you a few beers at
the next DebConf) ;-)

Regards,

P.S. The short and long descriptions appears in English and not in
Spanish but maybe there is a reason for that like translation of the
page so I'll review it later.

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-dug-mx/2010/09/msg00034.html
-- 
Fernando C. Estrada





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