Debian Bug report logs - #582495
debian-policy: extend UID range of user accounts

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: debian-policy: extend UID range of user accounts

Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:05:34 +0200 (CEST)

Package: debian-policy
Version: 3.8.4.0
Severity: wishlist

On Thu, 20 May 2010, Roger Leigh wrote:

> On 20/05/2010 20:43, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > I don't think it's practical to ever get rid of the legacy UID range
> > fragmentation in the 16-bit space.  Better would be to plan a transition to
> > where we start numbering new user accounts from 65536 by default, instead of
> > from 1000.
> 
> Something probably best left until after Squeeze!  I think the
> simple check we have now will be robust enough until after then.

Alternatively, we could try to improve the current status a little bit
for squeeze.

(A system admin with about 45000 users in his system asked me about
the new /etc/profile and the apparently arbitrary limit of 29999).


The block 30000-59999 is reserved *by us*, so we can free it for user
accounts easily:

--- a/policy.sgml
+++ b/policy.sgml
@@ -5849,7 +5849,7 @@
 		</p>
 	      </item>
 
-	      <tag>1000-29999:</tag>
+	      <tag>1000-59999:</tag>
 	      <item>
 		<p>
 		  Dynamically allocated user accounts.  By default
@@ -5860,11 +5860,6 @@
 		</p>
 	      </item>
 
-	      <tag>30000-59999:</tag>
-	      <item>
-		<p>Reserved.</p>
-	      </item>
-
 	      <tag>60000-64999:</tag>
 	      <item>
 		<p>


Known affected packages: adduser, base-files
Fix: Trivial: s/29999/59999/

I'm looking for seconds for this proposal.

Message #10 received at 582495@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>

To: 582495@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#582495: debian-policy: extend UID range of user accounts

Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:15:04 +0200 (CEST)

Hmm, I see this is already reported as Bug#161912.

However, this report includes a patch :-)

Feel free to merge them anyway.

Message #15 received at 582495@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>

To: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>

Cc: 582495@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#582495: debian-policy: extend UID range of user accounts

Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:17:48 -0700

Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es> writes:

> Alternatively, we could try to improve the current status a little bit
> for squeeze.

> (A system admin with about 45000 users in his system asked me about
> the new /etc/profile and the apparently arbitrary limit of 29999).

> The block 30000-59999 is reserved *by us*, so we can free it for user
> accounts easily:

> --- a/policy.sgml
> +++ b/policy.sgml
> @@ -5849,7 +5849,7 @@
>  		</p>
>  	      </item>
>  
> -	      <tag>1000-29999:</tag>
> +	      <tag>1000-59999:</tag>
>  	      <item>
>  		<p>
>  		  Dynamically allocated user accounts.  By default
> @@ -5860,11 +5860,6 @@
>  		</p>
>  	      </item>
>  
> -	      <tag>30000-59999:</tag>
> -	      <item>
> -		<p>Reserved.</p>
> -	      </item>
> -
>  	      <tag>60000-64999:</tag>
>  	      <item>
>  		<p>

> Known affected packages: adduser, base-files
> Fix: Trivial: s/29999/59999/

> I'm looking for seconds for this proposal.

Seconded.  I agree with just releasing this UID space.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)               <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Message #20 received at 582495@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>

To: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>, 582495@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#582495: debian-policy: extend UID range of user accounts

Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:26:46 +0200

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On Fri, 21 May 2010, Santiago Vila wrote:
> Known affected packages: adduser, base-files
> Fix: Trivial: s/29999/59999/
> 
> I'm looking for seconds for this proposal.

Seconded.

Cheers,
-- 
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Message #25 received at 582495@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bill Allombert <Bill.Allombert@math.u-bordeaux1.fr>

To: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>, 582495@bugs.debian.org

Cc: control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#582495: debian-policy: extend UID range of user accounts

Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:51:38 +0200

merge 161912 582495
quit
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:15:04PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> Hmm, I see this is already reported as Bug#161912.
> 
> However, this report includes a patch :-)
> 
> Feel free to merge them anyway.

Done.

Cheers,
-- 
Bill. <ballombe@debian.org>

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Message #32 received at 582495@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>

To: Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>, 582495@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>

Subject: Re: Bug#582495: debian-policy: extend UID range of user accounts

Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:27:38 -0700

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 08:26:46PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Fri, 21 May 2010, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > Known affected packages: adduser, base-files
> > Fix: Trivial: s/29999/59999/

> > I'm looking for seconds for this proposal.

> Seconded.

Seconded.

Does anyone think there's a need for another reserved ID range somewhere
above 16 bits to replace this one?

-- 
Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org

Message #37 received at 582495@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>

To: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>

Cc: 582495@bugs.debian.org, Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>, Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>

Subject: Re: Bug#582495: debian-policy: extend UID range of user accounts

Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:52:54 -0700

Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> writes:
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 08:26:46PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 May 2010, Santiago Vila wrote:

>>> Known affected packages: adduser, base-files
>>> Fix: Trivial: s/29999/59999/

>>> I'm looking for seconds for this proposal.

>> Seconded.

> Seconded.

> Does anyone think there's a need for another reserved ID range somewhere
> above 16 bits to replace this one?

I was always confused about what we were reserving that space for anyway,
so I don't see any obvious need.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)               <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Message #42 received at 582495@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Luk Claes <luk@debian.org>

To: 582495@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>

Subject: Re: Bug#582495: debian-policy: extend UID range of user accounts

Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 23:01:00 +0200

On 05/21/2010 08:17 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es> writes:
> 
>> Alternatively, we could try to improve the current status a little bit
>> for squeeze.
> 
>> (A system admin with about 45000 users in his system asked me about
>> the new /etc/profile and the apparently arbitrary limit of 29999).
> 
>> The block 30000-59999 is reserved *by us*, so we can free it for user
>> accounts easily:
> 
>> --- a/policy.sgml
>> +++ b/policy.sgml
>> @@ -5849,7 +5849,7 @@
>>  		</p>
>>  	      </item>
>>  
>> -	      <tag>1000-29999:</tag>
>> +	      <tag>1000-59999:</tag>
>>  	      <item>
>>  		<p>
>>  		  Dynamically allocated user accounts.  By default
>> @@ -5860,11 +5860,6 @@
>>  		</p>
>>  	      </item>
>>  
>> -	      <tag>30000-59999:</tag>
>> -	      <item>
>> -		<p>Reserved.</p>
>> -	      </item>
>> -
>>  	      <tag>60000-64999:</tag>
>>  	      <item>
>>  		<p>
> 
>> Known affected packages: adduser, base-files
>> Fix: Trivial: s/29999/59999/
> 
>> I'm looking for seconds for this proposal.
> 
> Seconded.  I agree with just releasing this UID space.

Seconded.

Cheers

Luk

Message #47 received at 582495@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bill Allombert <Bill.Allombert@math.u-bordeaux1.fr>

To: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>, 582495@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>, Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>

Subject: Re: Bug#582495: debian-policy: extend UID range of user accounts

Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:19:48 +0200

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 01:27:38PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 08:26:46PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 May 2010, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > > Known affected packages: adduser, base-files
> > > Fix: Trivial: s/29999/59999/
> 
> > > I'm looking for seconds for this proposal.
> 
> > Seconded.
> 
> Seconded.

This make four seconds so far, so the proposal is accepted.

    Proposed by Santiago Vila
    Seconded:  Russ Allbery    <rra@debian.org>
    Seconded:  Luk Claes       <luk@debian.org>
    Seconded:  Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>
    Seconded:  Steve Langasek  <vorlon@debian.org>

I have created a branch bug582495-ballombe for this issue.

adduser and base-files should be updated.

> Does anyone think there's a need for another reserved ID range somewhere
> above 16 bits to replace this one?

This discussion probably belong to another bug or to the list now.

Cheers,
-- 
Bill. <ballombe@debian.org>

Imagine a large red swirl here. 

Message #52 received at 582495@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>

To: Bill Allombert <Bill.Allombert@math.u-bordeaux1.fr>

Cc: 582495@bugs.debian.org, Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>, Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>, Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>

Subject: Re: Bug#582495: debian-policy: extend UID range of user accounts

Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:03:06 -0700

Bill Allombert <Bill.Allombert@math.u-bordeaux1.fr> writes:

> This make four seconds so far, so the proposal is accepted.

>     Proposed by Santiago Vila
>     Seconded:  Russ Allbery    <rra@debian.org>
>     Seconded:  Luk Claes       <luk@debian.org>
>     Seconded:  Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>
>     Seconded:  Steve Langasek  <vorlon@debian.org>

> I have created a branch bug582495-ballombe for this issue.

Looks good to me; please merge (and for this we should have an
upgrading-checklist entry and bump the version number for the next version
of Policy, since this is a normative change).

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)               <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Message #57 received at 582495@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bill Allombert <Bill.Allombert@math.u-bordeaux1.fr>

To: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>

Cc: 582495@bugs.debian.org, Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>, Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>, Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>

Subject: Re: Bug#582495: debian-policy: extend UID range of user accounts

Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:53:17 +0200

On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 01:03:06PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Bill Allombert <Bill.Allombert@math.u-bordeaux1.fr> writes:
> 
> > This make four seconds so far, so the proposal is accepted.
> 
> >     Proposed by Santiago Vila
> >     Seconded:  Russ Allbery    <rra@debian.org>
> >     Seconded:  Luk Claes       <luk@debian.org>
> >     Seconded:  Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>
> >     Seconded:  Steve Langasek  <vorlon@debian.org>
> 
> > I have created a branch bug582495-ballombe for this issue.
> 
> Looks good to me; please merge (and for this we should have an
> upgrading-checklist entry and bump the version number for the next version
> of Policy, since this is a normative change).

Done, thanks.

Cheers,
-- 
Bill. <ballombe@debian.org>

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Message #64 received at 582495-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>

To: 582495-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#582495: fixed in debian-policy 3.9.0.0

Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 05:17:09 +0000

Source: debian-policy
Source-Version: 3.9.0.0

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
debian-policy, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

debian-policy_3.9.0.0.dsc
  to main/d/debian-policy/debian-policy_3.9.0.0.dsc
debian-policy_3.9.0.0.tar.gz
  to main/d/debian-policy/debian-policy_3.9.0.0.tar.gz
debian-policy_3.9.0.0_all.deb
  to main/d/debian-policy/debian-policy_3.9.0.0_all.deb



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 582495@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> (supplier of updated debian-policy package)

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:40:52 -0700
Source: debian-policy
Binary: debian-policy
Architecture: source all
Version: 3.9.0.0
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Policy List <debian-policy@lists.debian.org>
Changed-By: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
Description: 
 debian-policy - Debian Policy Manual and related documents
Closes: 224509 284340 328951 347581 442134 470633 478295 530687 547272 555009 555978 558430 560411 560839 562506 563425 566220 567845 569174 572253 575639 576594 577666 578854 579457 579461 582495 584521 584796 586163
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 .
   [ Colin Watson ]
   * Fix path to changelog.Debian.gz in footnote on documentation symlinks.
 .
   [ Bill Allombert ]
   * Convert upgrading-checklist to debiandoc-sgml. This generates a better
     looking .txt file.
     Closes: #567845
   * Fix typo in package_upstream-version.orig.tar.gz.
     Thanks, Salvatore Bonaccorso. (Closes: #558430)
   * Replace 'copyright and distribution license' by 'copyright information
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     Proposed by Jonathan Nieder.
     Seconded:  Steve Langasek  <vorlon@debian.org>
     Seconded:  Thijs Kinkhorst <thijs@debian.org>
     Seconded:  Julien Cristau  <jcristau@debian.org>
     Seconded:  Gregor Herrmann <gregoa@debian.org>
     Closes: #566220
   * extend UID range of user accounts by removing the 30000-59999 reserved
     ranges.
     Proposed by Santiago Vila
     Seconded:  Russ Allbery    <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded:  Luk Claes       <luk@debian.org>
     Seconded:  Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>
     Seconded:  Steve Langasek  <vorlon@debian.org>
     Closes: #582495
 .
   [ Russ Allbery ]
   * Policy: Overhaul Breaks, Conflicts, Provides, and Replaces
     Wording: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>
     Seconded: Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>
     Closes: #578854
   * Policy: Support for architecture wildcards
     Wording: Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org>
     Wording: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>
     Seconded: Andrew McMillan <andrew@morphoss.com>
     Seconded: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>
     Closes: #530687
   * Policy: Except init.d scripts from the normal set -e requirement
     Wording: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded: Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>
     Seconded: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>
     Closes: #562506
   * Policy: Maintainer scripts might not have a controlling terminal
     Wording: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded: Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org>
     Seconded: Andrew McMillan <andrew@morphoss.com>
     Seconded: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>
     Closes: #224509
   * Policy: Fully specify the date format for changelog entries
     Wording: Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org>
     Seconded: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded: Andrew McMillan <andrew@morphoss.com>
     Seconded: Giacomo A. Catenazzi <cate@debian.org>
     Closes: #569174
   * Policy: Deprecate /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD
     Wording: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org>
     Seconded: Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org>
     Seconded: gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org>
     Closes: #284340
   * Policy: Document Checksums-Sha1 and Checksums-Sha256
     Wording: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
     Seconded: Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org>
     Seconded: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org>
     Closes: #478295
   * Policy: Prohibit duplicate field names in a control paragraph
     Wording: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded: Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org>
     Seconded: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>
     Seconded: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org>
     Closes: #555978
   * Policy: Relax requirement that library dev files be in one package
     Wording: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded: Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org>
     Seconded: Andrew McMillan <andrew@morphoss.com>
     Closes: #347581
   * Policy: Tighten requirements for maintainer-like fields
     Wording: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org>
     Seconded: Andrew McMillan <andrew@morphoss.com>
     Closes: #575639
   * Policy: Update Format control field documentation
     Wording: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Wording: Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org>
     Seconded: Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org>
     Seconded: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu27@gmail.com>
     Closes: #547272
   * Debconf: Add SETTITLE, like title but uses a template
     Wording: Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>
     Seconded: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded: Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu>
     Closes: #560411
   * Perl Policy: Change perlapi provides to use an ABI version
     Wording: Niko Tyni <ntyni@debian.org>
     Seconded: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded: Brendan O'Dea <bod@debian.org>
     Seconded: Damyan Ivanov <dmn@debian.org>
     Closes: #579457
   * Perl Policy: Recommend DESTDIR instead of PREFIX with Makefile.PL
     Wording: Niko Tyni <ntyni@debian.org>
     Seconded: Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
     Seconded: Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org>
     Closes: #579461
   * Standardize dpkg state wording and bring it in line with dpkg,
     renaming Failed-Config to Half-Configured and use uniform
     capitalization and punctuation.  (Closes: #442134)
   * Remove documentation of alternative changelog formats.  This feature
     is not allowed in the Debian archive and will be documented in the
     dpkg-dev documentation instead.  The documentation that was in Policy
     was also somewhat outdated.  (Closes: #555009, see #584141)
   * Remove obsolete footnote sentence saying that dpkg-statoverride is a
     new feature and not well-known.  (Closes: #563425)
   * Clarify in the Perl Policy that perl-base is essential, not perl, and
     don't imply packages need to depend on perl-base.  (Closes: #576594)
   * Document the special debian-installer section in the list of current
     sections and add a link to the list of sections in unstable, which
     contains longer descriptions.  (Closes: #577666)
   * Remove the footnote listing every architecture known to dpkg.  This
     list can be trivially produced by dpkg-architecture -L (already
     noted), is very long, and quickly becomes out-of-date.
   * Move silly version ordering example to a footnote.  (Closes: #560839)
   * Reletter the process steps to not skip State C and use more
     traditional foreground and background colors for Process.html and
     README.html.  (Closes: #584521)
   * Fix typo in footnote about help2man.  (Closes: #584796)
   * Add an example for Replaces when a package is split.  Thanks, Uwe
     Kleine-König.  (Closes: #572253)
   * Explicitly state that packages may remove unmodified, obsolete
     configuration files during  upgrade.  (Closes: #470633)
   * Clarify the wording around which build dependencies must be satisfied
     for different debian/rules targets and add a footnote to the
     description of the build-arch and build-indep targets explaining why
     this split does not currently work as desired.  (Closes: #328951)
   * Avoid "Debianised" or "Debianized" in favor of just "Debian" or
     "Debian package" as appropriate.  Patch from Ben Finney.
     (Closes: #586163)
   * Switch to source format 3.0 (native).
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