Debian Bug report logs - #580192
Please introduce 'delayed moderation' for -devel-announce

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Reported by: Alexander Reichle-Schmehl <alexander@schmehl.info>

Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:51:01 UTC

Severity: wishlist

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From: Alexander Reichle-Schmehl <alexander@schmehl.info>
To: debian-publicity@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: -publicity instruction for Debian Developers
Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 09:49:23 +0200
Package: lists.debian.org

Hi!


On 03.05.2010 19:56, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:

[ Mails send to debian-devel-announce, which are more general and could 
be turned into general announcements on -news or -announce ]

> Does this make any sense or should rather be dropped and never be seen
> again? As a random DD, the above information would be useful to me,
> maybe it would be for other too ...

In general it's a good idea and long outstanding point on my over long 
todo list ;)

However, during the publicity BoF at DC9, there was also the proposal 
(IIRC by sledge), to introduce a kind of "delayed moderation" to 
debian-devel-announce.  It seems we never opened a bug report for that, 
so I do so now:

The idea was the following:

If a DD sends a mail to debian-devel-announce@lists.debian.org, it is at 
first held back for a certain time.  The press team is notified, and may 
ask the author of that mail, to drop it and instead coordinate with the 
press team a proper release (mail to -announce or -news from the press 
people; his mail to -devel-announce).

Of couse such a mail can be thawn by the press team, so it is send at 
once to the -devel-announce mailing list.  The mail is also send there 
automatically, if the press team doesn't react within a specific timeframe.


Back than, we already talked to Don, who saw no real obstacles; it just 
needs someone to do it.  He also proposed to allow the sender of such a 
mail to override the "freeze" of his mail, in case it is of urgent 
importance (e.g. the DSAs telling us that something is broken).  Press 
team didn't had any problems with that proposal.


I think that's all that was discussed back then, and (as we didn't 
tracked the problem till now) the current state, but at least now it's 
documented :)


Dear listmasters, could explain what's needed to introduce such a 
change?  Anything we can help?


Best regards,
  Alexander




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From: Alexander Reichle-Schmehl <alexander@schmehl.info>
To: debian-publicity@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: -publicity instruction for Debian Developers
Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 10:18:43 +0200
retitle 580192 Please introduce 'delayed moderation' for -devel-announce
thanks

Hi!

> I think that's all that was discussed back then, and (as we didn't
> tracked the problem till now) the current state, but at least now it's
> documented :)

Based on some questions I got via irc, I just looked through the archive.

8 messages where send to d-d-a in January.  Of these I guess I would 
have asked to delay the ones with the following subjects:
* Panamá MiniDebConf 2010 - March
* Thailand MiniDebCamp 2010 in March
* Invitation to the BSP in Tokyo/Japan,23 January 2010

13 messages where send to d-d-a in February.  Of these I guess I would 
have asked to delay the ones with the following subject:
* Spanish DebConf 9-11 Abril, Coruña and Debian Work Session
* Lenny based Debian Edu 5.0.4+edu0 available (aka Skolelinux)
* Bits from the release team: Release schedule; the RT needs YOU
* Registration now open for DebConf10

For the 13 messages in March we have the following:
* DebConf10: register by April 15 for sponsorship consideration
* Debconf 10: Call for Contributions!

For April (19 messages in total) we have:
* Welcome to our 2010 Debian Google Summer of Code students!
* DebConf10: Final Call for Contributions!
* Mini DebConf in Berlin, Germany, June 10th/11th
* Debian Project Leader Election 2010 Results
* Bits from the Release Team: Scheduling, transitions, how to help


So in total we had 53 messages, of which I think I would have asked 14 
times that the mail be delayed, while 39 would have (in theory) passed 
without much delay.

(Yes, this statistic is kind of biased, as a) I just looked at the 
subject to create this list; I guess some of them might turn out to be 
less interesting if I would also look into the body (but I'm lazy ;) and 
b) we in deed send announcements in parallel for some of them).  But I 
guess it's good enough to see what we are talking about.


> Dear listmasters, could explain what's needed to introduce such a
> change? Anything we can help?

Also got a "someone needs to program it" for Alexander Wirt ;)


Best regards,
  Alexander




Changed Bug title to 'Please introduce 'delayed moderation' for -devel-announce' from '-publicity instruction for Debian Developers' Request was from Alexander Reichle-Schmehl <alexander@schmehl.info> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Tue, 04 May 2010 08:21:10 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Severity set to 'wishlist' from 'normal' Request was from Cord Beermann <cord@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:09:11 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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