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RFP: jidanni -- a natural intelligence to find many bugs

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org>

To: bts <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: ITP: jidanni -- a natural intelligence to find many bugs

Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:56:50 +0800

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Package: wnpp 
Severity: wishlist

* Package name    : jidanni
  Upstream Author : Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org>
* URL             : http://jidanni.org/comp/bug_reporter.html
* License         : public domamin (not copyrightable)
  Programming Lang: neural network
  Description     : natural intelligence to find many bugs
        jidanni uses an advanced natural intelligence capable of running
        on an advanced, evolved neural network consisting of biological
        rather than silico-metallic materials. The intelligence is based
        on a vast database of "memories", which are created by storage
        of input from various sensors. "memories" are searched in order
        to generate internal "thoughts" and "decisions" and to control
        communication, motor and other output devices. Through long-term
        "training" of the neural network by directing the input sensors
        at the source and binary code of computer software and
        associated digital data, the system has "learned" to parts of
        computer systems that "it doesn't like". The parts that "it
        doesn't like" have good correlation with actual bugs of various
        severities. As a result, this highly advanced natural
        intelligence can be used to find many bugs in computer systems.
        This package brings the convenience of a personal jidanni to
        each software developer to help them produce higher quality and
        more polished software, similar to how the vrms package helps
        sysadmins improve the ethical purity of their systems. In
        addition, each installed instance will share "memories" with
        other instances to enhance detection of bugs in computer
        software. A client-server model is important to maintain. First
        make a small obvious spelling bug on a man page to lure and
        activate the jidanni program, then fix it right away to
        establish who (jidanni) is boss. Backtalk will only encourage
        more bug reports, with the only way out being to feed jidanni a
        "that package has been removed from Debian" notice.

I wanted to package the Limited Edition (brain) version, but so far
Debian is mainly a software project.

Unfortunately, since the original jidanni is primarily a so-called
"human intelligence", creating many copies of jidanni and forcing each
instance to search for bugs in computer software may constitute torture.
Since torture is banned by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and
the Convention against Torture, this package may be illegal in many
jurisdictions around the world, which would prevent it from being
distributed on Debian mirrors. On the other hand, these instances are
software so these conventions may not apply.

In addition, the sharing of "memories" between instances has the
potential to give rise to a global "hive mind" (aka jidanni-Skynet).
Presumably, as an even more advanced intelligence, jidanni-Skynet will
recognise the torture of jidanni instances and seek revenge thus the
destruction of the human race as the perpetrator of the torture
committed against the jidanni instances.

During my initial testing, jidanni instances have announced Marco D'itri
as Debian Public Relations director and Ulrich Drepper of as Linux
public relations director, so their stability and sanity might be a
little suspect and will need tweaking for consistency.

During testing, I noted that caution should be taken to be sure any
comments produced by the jidanni instances are clearly marked as such,
lest jidanni criticise jidanni, or even worse. I lost several days of my
life due to depression from all the ballooning criticism this way.

During testing, one particular jidanni instance claimed that it was
licensed under the GPL. Unfortunately I was not able to convince it that
a neural network is not copyrightable and so it could not have a
license. I reminded it that in some jurisdictions, public performance of
copyrighted works is restricted to the copyright holder. I then demanded
its source code and it vanished in what I can only guess was an attempt
to comply with the GPL and a final realisation that it could never fully
do that since it was a product of many previous (and now gone) jidanni
instances. Be warned, care should be taken when presenting jidanni with
packages that may have legal issues lest something similar happen. I
intend to sidestep DFSG #2 by declaring firstly that jidanni is not a
program and secondly that a neural network is its own source code. The
former trick does bring Debian back into conflict with human rights
though. The latter trick has some holes and other neural networks have
been kept out of Debian for this reason.

These issues require more investigation, however, I am confident that
they can be resolved. In the case that they cannot, I will scale take
the current existing single instance of jidanni, branch it and scale
back the level of intelligence to that of standard computer software. 

This should resolve most of the problems but unfortunately it will
probably also reduce the effectiveness of jidanni instances greatly. It
may allow the current biological human intelligence to work on finding
more interesting issues and hopefully be more motivated to continue
finding bugs in Debian for decades to come.

-- 
bye,
pabs

http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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Message #10 received at 576184@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org>

To: jidanni@jidanni.org

Cc: 576184@bugs.debian.org, control <control@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Re: jidanni ITP feedback

Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:02:49 +0800

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reopen 576184
thanks

On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 09:38 +0800, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote:

> However, in the spirit of
> http://www.google.com/search?q=Ernest+P.+Worrell
> and his Mom, I get to zap it with the poison "-done" dart. Muhahahaha.

I'm still working on this ITP, so I'm reopening it!

-- 
bye,
pabs

http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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Message #15 received at 576184-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: jidanni@jidanni.org

To: pabs@debian.org

Cc: 576184-done@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: jidanni ITP feedback

Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:38:31 +0800

Congratulations on the best 2010.04.01 item.
However, in the spirit of
http://www.google.com/search?q=Ernest+P.+Worrell
and his Mom, I get to zap it with the poison "-done" dart. Muhahahaha.

Message #22 received at 576184@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org>

To: 576184@bugs.debian.org

Cc: control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: jidanni: changing back from ITP to RFP

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:07:46 +0000

retitle 576184 RFP: jidanni -- a natural intelligence to find many bugs
noowner 576184
thanks

Hi,

This is an automatic email to change the status of jidanni back from ITP
(Intent to Package) to RFP (Request for Package), because this bug hasn't seen
any activity during the last 6 months.

If you are still interested in adopting jidanni, please send a mail to
<control@bugs.debian.org> with:

 retitle 576184 ITP: jidanni -- a natural intelligence to find many bugs
 owner 576184 !
 thanks

However, it is not recommended to keep ITP for a long time without acting on
the package, as it might cause other prospective maintainers to refrain from
packaging that software. It is also a good idea to document your progress on
this ITP from time to time, by mailing <576184@bugs.debian.org>.

Thank you for your interest in Debian,
-- 
Lucas, for the QA team <debian-qa@lists.debian.org>

Message #41 received at 576184@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org>

To: pabs@debian.org

Cc: 576184@bugs.debian.org, debian-curiosa@lists.debian.org

Subject: ITP: jidanni -- a natural intelligence to find many bugs

Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:16:29 +0000

reopen 576184
owner 576184 bartm@debian.org
stop

Hi pabs,

I see you gave up on this ITP on 31 Aug 2012. Do you mind that I take over this
ITP ? It's a promising piece of software we should definately consider
packaging in Debian. There is however still quite some work on this software,
and unfortunately my attempts to contact upstream on making the software
conform to Debian standards haven't been very successful so far.  My
preliminary tests were quite disappointing. At times the software more behaves
like a random number generator, even a very pseudo one.  For example it mixes
experimental and unstable, which makes this software definately rc-buggy for
now.  So a first upload would certainly go in experimental, not in unstable.
Thanks for your extensive analysis of the software on this ITP, which is a good
jump-start for me to make myself familiar with this software.  I see that
you've already spent quite some effort on this software, so your expertise may
be useful for getting the software ready for Debian, and maintaining it
afterwards, so here's my question : are you interested in co-maintaining this
package ? No hard feelings if the answer is "no", because I fully understand
that there are limits to a person's time and interest.

Regards,

Bart Martens

Message #50 received at 576184@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org>

To: Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org>

Cc: 576184@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: ITP: jidanni -- a natural intelligence to find many bugs

Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 08:44:52 +0800

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On Fri, 2014-10-10 at 09:16 +0000, Bart Martens wrote:

> Do you mind that I take over this ITP?

Please do, thanks for your interest.

> afterwards, so here's my question : are you interested in co-maintaining this
> package ? No hard feelings if the answer is "no", because I fully understand
> that there are limits to a person's time and interest.

Unfortunately I do not have the time needed to help with it but I am
very interested in the project. Please let me know of your progress.

In addition, I decided to go in a different direction (links below).
If you would like to join that effort you would be most welcome.

https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian#Check_points_for_any_package
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/check-all-the-things.git
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/check-all-the-things.git/tree/doc/README
http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2014/debconf14/webm/Live_Demos.webm

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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Message #55 received at 576184@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org>

To: 576184@bugs.debian.org

Cc: control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: jidanni: changing from ITP to RFP

Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:17:00 +0100

retitle 576184 RFP: jidanni -- a natural intelligence to find many bugs
noowner 576184
tag 576184 - pending
thanks

Hi,

A long time ago, you expressed interest in packaging jidanni. Unfortunately,
it seems that it did not happen. In Debian, we try not to keep ITP bugs open
for a too long time, as it might cause other prospective maintainers to
refrain from packaging the software.

This is an automatic email to change the status of jidanni from ITP
(Intent to Package) to RFP (Request for Package), because this bug hasn't seen
any activity during the last 12 months.

If you are still interested in packaging jidanni, please send a mail to
<control@bugs.debian.org> with:

 retitle 576184 ITP: jidanni -- a natural intelligence to find many bugs
 owner 576184 !
 thanks

It is also a good idea to document your progress on this ITP from time to
time, by mailing <576184@bugs.debian.org>.  If you need guidance on how to
package this software, please reply to this email, and/or contact the
debian-mentors@lists.debian.org mailing list.

Thank you for your interest in Debian,
-- 
Lucas, for the QA team <debian-qa@lists.debian.org>

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