Debian Bug report logs - #547534
[needs-packaging] php5-litespeed

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: [needs-packaging] php5-litespeed

Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:51:05 +0100

Package: php5
Severity: wishlist

An excellent replacement for the (now old / ageing) php5-cgi package. LiteSpeed SAPI is now officially supported and included from php-5.3.0 and greater. 
So its possible to make a start on this in experimental since we have 5.3.0 in debian/experimental...

URL: http://www.litespeedtech.com/php-litespeed-sapi.html
License: http://www.php.net/license/3_01.txt
Notes: http://www.litespeedtech.com/support/wiki/doku.php?id=litespeed_wiki:php:lsapi_ubuntu_debian

Tags: needs-packaging



-- System Information:
Debian Release: squeeze/sid
  APT prefers karmic-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'karmic-updates'), (500, 'karmic-security'), (500, 'karmic'), (500, 'jaunty'), (500, 'intrepid'), (500, 'hardy')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.31-5-generic-pae (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Message #10 received at 547534@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>

To: dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com>, 547534@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#547534: [needs-packaging] php5-litespeed

Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:58:54 +0200

Hi,

> An excellent replacement for the (now old / ageing) php5-cgi package.

Eh, replacement which needs (commercial) closed source product?

I don't know what other php maintainers think, but I am not in favor
(in fact I am opposed to) packaging some proprietary SAPI, which you
cannot test without installing some closed source webserver.

O.

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 16:51, dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com> wrote:
> Package: php5
> Severity: wishlist
>
> An excellent replacement for the (now old / ageing) php5-cgi package. LiteSpeed SAPI is now officially supported and included from php-5.3.0 and greater.
> So its possible to make a start on this in experimental since we have 5.3.0 in debian/experimental...
>
> URL: http://www.litespeedtech.com/php-litespeed-sapi.html
> License: http://www.php.net/license/3_01.txt
> Notes: http://www.litespeedtech.com/support/wiki/doku.php?id=litespeed_wiki:php:lsapi_ubuntu_debian
>
> Tags: needs-packaging
>
>
>
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: squeeze/sid
>  APT prefers karmic-updates
>  APT policy: (500, 'karmic-updates'), (500, 'karmic-security'), (500, 'karmic'), (500, 'jaunty'), (500, 'intrepid'), (500, 'hardy')
> Architecture: i386 (i686)
>
> Kernel: Linux 2.6.31-5-generic-pae (SMP w/1 CPU core)
> Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
> Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pkg-php-maint mailing list
> pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-maint
>



-- 
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http://blog.rfc1925.org/

Message #13 received at 547534@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org>

To: dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com>, 547534@bugs.debian.org

Cc: control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#547534: [needs-packaging] php5-litespeed

Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:54:26 -0500

tag 547534 moreinfo
thanks

On Sunday 20 September 2009 09:51:05 dreamcat four wrote:
> Package: php5
> Severity: wishlist
>
> An excellent replacement for the (now old / ageing) php5-cgi package.
> LiteSpeed SAPI is now officially supported and included from php-5.3.0 and
> greater. So its possible to make a start on this in experimental since we
> have 5.3.0 in debian/experimental...

I don't see any reason why we would build and *support* a SAPI for a 
proprietary web server while we have other SAPIs that could be enabled for 
free web servers that are packaged in Debian.

>
> URL: http://www.litespeedtech.com/php-litespeed-sapi.html
> License: http://www.php.net/license/3_01.txt

One of the .c files has another licence but doesn't say anything about dual 
licencing.

> Tags: needs-packaging

This doesn't exist on Debian's BTS. Please read the documentation.

Regards,
-- 
Raphael Geissert - Debian Developer
www.debian.org - get.debian.net

Message #20 received at 547534@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com>

To: Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org>

Cc: 547534@bugs.debian.org, control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#547534: [needs-packaging] php5-litespeed

Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:16:24 +0100

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org> wrote:
> tag 547534 moreinfo
> thanks
>
> I don't see any reason why we would build and *support* a SAPI for a
> proprietary web server while we have other SAPIs that could be enabled for
> free web servers that are packaged in Debian.

As far as i can see, there's nothing in the LiteSpeed sapi that
prevents it from being used with any of Debian's free web servers.

> One of the .c files has another licence but doesn't say anything about dual
> licencing.

I apologise if the licensing link provided was out-of date. If you
look in the php sources, you can see there is a double-license in each
source file there. One php license + the Litespeed bsd license. Sorry
I am no licensing expert, however the license seems permissive enough.
Litespeed's license looks to be a non-conflicting BSD license.


dreamcat4
dreamcat4@gmail.com

Message #25 received at 547534@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>

To: dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com>, 547534@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org>

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#547534: Bug#547534: [needs-packaging] php5-litespeed

Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:13:23 +0200

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 20:16, dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org> wrote:
>> tag 547534 moreinfo
>> thanks
>>
>> I don't see any reason why we would build and *support* a SAPI for a
>> proprietary web server while we have other SAPIs that could be enabled for
>> free web servers that are packaged in Debian.
>
> As far as i can see, there's nothing in the LiteSpeed sapi that
> prevents it from being used with any of Debian's free web servers.

How? Are there any other free web servers with LiteSpeed interface?
Quick Google search showed nothing.

Ondrej
-- 
Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org>
http://blog.rfc1925.org/

Message #30 received at 547534@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com>

To: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>

Cc: 547534@bugs.debian.org, Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org>

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#547534: Bug#547534: [needs-packaging] php5-litespeed

Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:38:24 +0100

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org> wrote:
> How? Are there any other free web servers with LiteSpeed interface?
> Quick Google search showed nothing.

It should be true that any web server who understand the Fast-CGI
protocol, can communicate with the litespeed PHP sapi. And / or any
other fast-CGI sapi.

You are correct to say as I have misunderstood their use of the term
Fast-CGI in the documentation. Actually i just compiled it and can now
say for sure that the Lightspeed SAPI isn't compatible with the
FastCGI standard. So allright to reject this at the moment.

However just to speculate here are 3 possible future situations.

1) Some webservers might informally adopt this litespeed protocol (if
the performance claims of litespeed are true). However other
webservers may not. For example there could be an nginx module and not
an apache one.

2) The FPM FastCGI sapi is eventually approved / released and is made
available by PHP. This would make for a reasonable alternative to the
litespeed sapi.

3) The litespeed team and / or php team decide to improve or fork the
Litespeed sapi for some kind of FCGI compatability mode. This might be
a forked (ie seperated sapi). Or otherwise it could be the same
lightspeed sapi.

Hopefully we can find a better solution that meets with the high
expectations and the debian standards.

Message #33 received at 547534@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org>

To: dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com>

Cc: 547534@bugs.debian.org, control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#547534: Bug#547534: [needs-packaging] php5-litespeed

Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:20:06 -0500

tag 547534 wontfix
thanks

On Monday 21 September 2009 04:38:24 dreamcat four wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org> wrote:
> > How? Are there any other free web servers with LiteSpeed interface?
> > Quick Google search showed nothing.
>
> It should be true that any web server who understand the Fast-CGI
> protocol, can communicate with the litespeed PHP sapi. And / or any
> other fast-CGI sapi.

litespeed != fastcgi.

>
> You are correct to say as I have misunderstood their use of the term
> Fast-CGI in the documentation. Actually i just compiled it and can now
> say for sure that the Lightspeed SAPI isn't compatible with the
> FastCGI standard. So allright to reject this at the moment.
>

It is called a SAPI for a reason, were they fully compatible they wouldn't be 
two different SAPIs.

> However just to speculate here are 3 possible future situations.
>
[...]

None of which is of our interest as the code and the server are in Debian 
main.

>
> Hopefully we can find a better solution that meets with the high
> expectations and the debian standards.

You first need a problem before you can try to find a solution for it.

Regards,
-- 
Raphael Geissert - Debian Developer
www.debian.org - get.debian.net

Message #40 received at 547534@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com>

To: Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org>, 547534@bugs.debian.org

Cc: chuck.short@canonical.com, ubuntu@kitterman.com

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#547534: Bug#547534: [needs-packaging] php5-litespeed

Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:11:41 +0100

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org> wrote:
> tag 547534 wontfix
> It is called a SAPI for a reason, were they fully compatible they wouldn't be
> two different SAPIs.

You are wrong here. The php team generally do not want to replace the
old fcgi sapi. It would cause too many issues not to keep the old one
available. Even if the a SAPI were also fgci - compliant, it would
still be a different sapi. Its been discussed already.

> None of which is of our interest as the code and the server are in Debian
> main.

I don't fully understand that sentence, but i believe these things
shouldn't be dismissed out-of-hand. Generally all users want to be
able to serve php faster, with a lower memory overhead and optimize
server performance. It costs money to run servers after all. This is
something that impacts not just for the big companies, but for
everyone who runs a php server. Why deprive many users of this and
without a reasonable cause?

Clearly these options aren't here yet. But they will be coming along
so its clearly something to think about and plan ahead for. I'm sorry,
however currently with these type of closed response it becomes
impossible to include Debian to make a good plan for anything
worthwhile here.


Best regards,

dreamcat4
dreamcat4@gmail.com

Message #43 received at 547534@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org>

To: dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com>

Cc: 547534@bugs.debian.org, chuck.short@canonical.com, ubuntu@kitterman.com

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#547534: Bug#547534: [needs-packaging] php5-litespeed

Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:40:51 -0500

[Keeping the CC on the canonical folks, although I don't see their relevance 
on this decision]

On Monday 21 September 2009 12:11:41 dreamcat four wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Raphael Geissert <geissert@debian.org> 
wrote:
[...]
>
> > None of which is of our interest as the code and the server are in Debian
> > main.
>
> I don't fully understand that sentence, 

I don't understand it either, but what I mean was that none of those possible 
futures are of our interest as long as a server supporting it is not in 
Debian main.

> but i believe these things 
> shouldn't be dismissed out-of-hand. 

It is not; we don't have enough man power to properly and timely support php 
in {old,,un}stable. If there was enough man power we could consider enabling 
the roxen and cadium SAPIs as those servers are in Debian and there have been 
requests to enable them (at least for roxen, I don't remember about cadium).

> Generally all users want to be 
> able to serve php faster, with a lower memory overhead and optimize
> server performance. It costs money to run servers after all. This is 
> something that impacts not just for the big companies, but for
> everyone who runs a php server. Why deprive many users of this and
> without a reasonable cause?

We are not depriving anything from anyone, that's the beauty of FOSS, you are 
free to do it.

Regards,
-- 
Raphael Geissert - Debian Developer
www.debian.org - get.debian.net

Message #48 received at 547534-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@debian.org>

To: dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com>, 547534-done@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [php-maint] Bug#547534: [needs-packaging] php5-litespeed

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:32:22 +0200

Version: 5.3.5-1

php5-fpm is available in debian from 5.3.5-1, thus closing this bug.

O.

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 4:51 PM, dreamcat four <dreamcat4@gmail.com> wrote:
> Package: php5
> Severity: wishlist
>
> An excellent replacement for the (now old / ageing) php5-cgi package. LiteSpeed SAPI is now officially supported and included from php-5.3.0 and greater.
> So its possible to make a start on this in experimental since we have 5.3.0 in debian/experimental...
>
> URL: http://www.litespeedtech.com/php-litespeed-sapi.html
> License: http://www.php.net/license/3_01.txt
> Notes: http://www.litespeedtech.com/support/wiki/doku.php?id=litespeed_wiki:php:lsapi_ubuntu_debian
>
> Tags: needs-packaging
>
>
>
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: squeeze/sid
>   APT prefers karmic-updates
>   APT policy: (500, 'karmic-updates'), (500, 'karmic-security'), (500, 'karmic'), (500, 'jaunty'), (500, 'intrepid'), (500, 'hardy')
> Architecture: i386 (i686)
>
> Kernel: Linux 2.6.31-5-generic-pae (SMP w/1 CPU core)
> Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
> Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> pkg-php-maint mailing list
> pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-php-maint



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