Debian Bug report logs - #515130
RFP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server

Package: wnpp; Maintainer for wnpp is wnpp@debian.org;

Reported by: Stefan Becker <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:42:02 UTC

Severity: wishlist

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From: Stefan Becker <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:37:42 +0100
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Stefan Becker <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>


* Package name    : unrealircd
  Version         : 3.2.7
  Upstream Author : Carsten Munk (stskeeps@unrealircd.com),
                    Dominick Meglio (codemastr@unrealircd.com),
                    David Flynn,
                    McSkaf,
                    Finny Merrill (griever@unrealircd.com),
                    Bram Matthys (syzop@unrealircd.com)
* URL             : http://www.unrealircd.com/
* License         : GPL
  Programming Lang: C
  Description     : Unreal IRC Server

A full featured and highly configurable IRC daemon with the option
 to load custom modules from third parties into it.
 .
 Development of UnrealIRCd began in May of 1999. Unreal was created
 from the Dreamforge IRCd that was formerly used by the DALnet IRC
 Network. Over the years, many new and exciting features have been
 added to Unreal. It is hard to even see a resemblance between the
 current Unreal and Dreamforge.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 5.0
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: i386 (i686)




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From: "Rondal" <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>
To: <515130@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: Additional information
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:05:29 +0100
Hello,

I actually started packaging unrealircd a couple of days ago and the
package is already in an early testing.

There were some issues related to this daemon discussed in ITP #377211.

As mentioned there the license agreement is no longer an issue due to
the removal of the pre-download agreement. But there is still the SSL
vs GPL license incompatibility, so there will be no SSL support in this
package, but I'm planning to include instructions how to include SSL
support into the source package for everyone who is interested in
building the package(s) himself.

I discussed this issue with Upstream, but they are not interested in
adding an exception to the license.

The option to build 3rd party modules for the running IRCd will be
included as a unrealircd-dev package.

Regards,
  Stefan





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From: Johan Henriksson <mahogny@areta.org>
To: Stefan Becker <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>, 515130@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:36:18 +0100
having been an ircop I know most networks tend to make their own
customizations so does it make sense to make a one-size-fits-all package?

Stefan Becker wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Stefan Becker <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>
>
>
> * Package name    : unrealircd
>   Version         : 3.2.7
>   Upstream Author : Carsten Munk (stskeeps@unrealircd.com),
>                     Dominick Meglio (codemastr@unrealircd.com),
>                     David Flynn,
>                     McSkaf,
>                     Finny Merrill (griever@unrealircd.com),
>                     Bram Matthys (syzop@unrealircd.com)
> * URL             : http://www.unrealircd.com/
> * License         : GPL
>   Programming Lang: C
>   Description     : Unreal IRC Server
>
> A full featured and highly configurable IRC daemon with the option
>  to load custom modules from third parties into it.
>  .
>  Development of UnrealIRCd began in May of 1999. Unreal was created
>  from the Dreamforge IRCd that was formerly used by the DALnet IRC
>  Network. Over the years, many new and exciting features have been
>  added to Unreal. It is hard to even see a resemblance between the
>  current Unreal and Dreamforge.
>
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: 5.0
>   APT prefers testing
>   APT policy: (500, 'testing')
> Architecture: i386 (i686)
>
>
>
>   


-- 
--
------------------------------------------------
Johan Henriksson
MSc Engineering
PhD student, Karolinska Institutet
http://mahogny.areta.org http://www.endrov.net





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From: "Rondal" <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>
To: "'Johan Henriksson'" <mahogny@areta.org>, <515130@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:39:29 +0100
Hi Johan,

> having been an ircop I know most networks tend to make their own
> customizations so does it make sense to make a one-size-fits-all
package?

you're right with saying that most networks customize their servers, but
beside the big networks there are a couple of 'private' networks where
only
minor modifications are needed/wanted. Mostly in form of modules, which is
still possible.

There are a handful of other IRC servers included in debian, where the
same
applies. It seems that there is a userbase.

Regards,
  Stefan






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From: William Pitcock <nenolod@sacredspiral.co.uk>
To: Stefan Becker <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>, 515130@bugs.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:12:55 -0600
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On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 21:37 +0100, Stefan Becker wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Stefan Becker <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>
> 
> 
> * Package name    : unrealircd
>   Version         : 3.2.7
>   Upstream Author : Carsten Munk (stskeeps@unrealircd.com),
>                     Dominick Meglio (codemastr@unrealircd.com),
>                     David Flynn,
>                     McSkaf,
>                     Finny Merrill (griever@unrealircd.com),
>                     Bram Matthys (syzop@unrealircd.com)
> * URL             : http://www.unrealircd.com/
> * License         : GPL
>   Programming Lang: C
>   Description     : Unreal IRC Server
> 
> A full featured and highly configurable IRC daemon with the option
>  to load custom modules from third parties into it.
>  .
>  Development of UnrealIRCd began in May of 1999. Unreal was created
>  from the Dreamforge IRCd that was formerly used by the DALnet IRC
>  Network. Over the years, many new and exciting features have been
>  added to Unreal. It is hard to even see a resemblance between the
>  current Unreal and Dreamforge.

UnrealIRCd has many licensing and code-quality issues which would block
it's inclusion in a Debian release.

I strongly recommend you do not package this.

William
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From: "Rondal" <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>
To: "'William Pitcock'" <nenolod@sacredspiral.co.uk>, <515130@bugs.debian.org>, <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
Subject: AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:50:18 +0100
Hi,
 
> UnrealIRCd has many licensing and code-quality issues which would
> block it's inclusion in a Debian release.

I admit that the sourcecode is not of the highest quality, but I do not
see where it will block inclusion into Debian. About the licensing issues
I already said that their license is incompatible with the OpenSSL license
but thats it.

Please be a little bit more specific. If I missed something important
within
their license or code, I will gladly reconsider building this package.

Thank you!
  Stefan





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Message #35 received at 515130@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: William Pitcock <nenolod@sacredspiral.co.uk>
To: Rondal <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>
Cc: 515130@bugs.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:00:22 -0600
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Hi,

On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 12:50 +0100, Rondal wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> > UnrealIRCd has many licensing and code-quality issues which would
> > block it's inclusion in a Debian release.
> 
> I admit that the sourcecode is not of the highest quality, but I do not
> see where it will block inclusion into Debian. About the licensing issues
> I already said that their license is incompatible with the OpenSSL license
> but thats it.
> 
> Please be a little bit more specific. If I missed something important
> within
> their license or code, I will gladly reconsider building this package.

Carsten Munk has specifically requested that UnrealIRCd not be included
in Debian, and will likely be hostile towards it's inclusion.

Secondly, UnrealIRCd uses OpenSSL for SSL support, and non DFSG-free
versions of the MD5 algorithm for hostcloaking. Both of these DFSG
violations would be required for inclusion into Debian, as they are also
a GPL license violation.

There is also questions concerning why you would want to package
something that has effectively a dead upstream, and many code flaws
which could result in security issues in the future.

William
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From: Giacomo Catenazzi <cate@cateee.net>
To: Rondal <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>
Cc: 515130@bugs.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:56:16 +0100
Rondal wrote:
> Hi,
>  
>> UnrealIRCd has many licensing and code-quality issues which would
>> block it's inclusion in a Debian release.
> 
> I admit that the sourcecode is not of the highest quality, but I do not
> see where it will block inclusion into Debian. About the licensing issues
> I already said that their license is incompatible with the OpenSSL license
> but thats it.
> 
> Please be a little bit more specific. If I missed something important
> within
> their license or code, I will gladly reconsider building this package.

IIRC unrealircd will pass to inspiricd sources, so I recommend you to
evantually pack only the "develpement" version.

ciao
	cate




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From: Patrick Schoenfeld <schoenfeld@in-medias-res.com>
To: William Pitcock <nenolod@sacredspiral.co.uk>
Cc: Rondal <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>, 515130@bugs.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:37:11 +0100
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 09:00:22PM -0600, William Pitcock wrote:
> There is also questions concerning why you would want to package
> something that has effectively a dead upstream, and many code flaws
> which could result in security issues in the future.

Uh? Since when is Unrealircd dead upstream? I wouldn't call a release
less then a month ago "dead upstream", regardless of what can be
said about unrealircd otherwise.

Regards,
Patrick




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From: William Pitcock <nenolod@sacredspiral.co.uk>
To: Giacomo Catenazzi <cate@cateee.net>
Cc: Rondal <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>, 515130@bugs.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:36:30 -0600
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On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 07:56 +0100, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
> Rondal wrote:
> > Hi,
> >  
> >> UnrealIRCd has many licensing and code-quality issues which would
> >> block it's inclusion in a Debian release.
> > 
> > I admit that the sourcecode is not of the highest quality, but I do not
> > see where it will block inclusion into Debian. About the licensing issues
> > I already said that their license is incompatible with the OpenSSL license
> > but thats it.
> > 
> > Please be a little bit more specific. If I missed something important
> > within
> > their license or code, I will gladly reconsider building this package.
> 
> IIRC unrealircd will pass to inspiricd sources, so I recommend you to
> evantually pack only the "develpement" version.

That effort is dead. UnrealIRCd itself is basically a walking zombie. We
don't need this in Debian -- it is more trouble than it is worth.

William
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From: William Pitcock <nenolod@sacredspiral.co.uk>
To: Patrick Schoenfeld <schoenfeld@in-medias-res.com>
Cc: Rondal <Rondal@cyberspirits.eu>, 515130@bugs.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:36:36 -0600
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On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 08:37 +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 09:00:22PM -0600, William Pitcock wrote:
> > There is also questions concerning why you would want to package
> > something that has effectively a dead upstream, and many code flaws
> > which could result in security issues in the future.
> 
> Uh? Since when is Unrealircd dead upstream? I wouldn't call a release
> less then a month ago "dead upstream", regardless of what can be
> said about unrealircd otherwise.

Once 3.2.8 final is out the door, it will be stagnant. "Syzop" has a
fairly large slacker attitude, and is only interested in Unreal for the
money (oops, it doesn't make any for him anymore. especially not now
with InspIRCd).

As such, we can call Unreal dead now, barring some miracle -- but I
don't see this happening with next generation ircd picking up steam like
InspIRCd - which cater to that same market of IRC admin which would be
interested in Unreal.

William
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From: Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org>
To: 515130@bugs.debian.org
Cc: control@bugs.debian.org
Subject: unrealircd: changing back from ITP to RFP
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:06:31 +0000
retitle 515130 RFP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
noowner 515130
thanks

Hi,

This is an automatic email to change the status of unrealircd back from ITP
(Intent to Package) to RFP (Request for Package), because this bug hasn't seen
any activity during the last 12 months.

If you are still interested in adopting unrealircd, please send a mail to
<control@bugs.debian.org> with:

 retitle 515130 ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
 owner 515130 !
 thanks

However, it is not recommended to keep ITP for a long time without acting on
the package, as it might cause other prospective maintainers to refrain from
packaging that software. It is also a good idea to document your progress on
this ITP from time to time, by mailing <515130@bugs.debian.org>.

Thank you for your interest in Debian,
-- 
Lucas, for the QA team <debian-qa@lists.debian.org>




Changed Bug title to 'RFP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server' from 'ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server' Request was from Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Tue, 25 May 2010 17:18:12 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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