Debian Bug report logs - #512136
RFP: nox -- nox -- Meta package

Package: wnpp; Maintainer for wnpp is wnpp@debian.org;

Reported by: Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:24:02 UTC

Severity: wishlist

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From: Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: ITP: nox -- nox -- Meta package
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:19:18 +0100
Subject: ITP: nox -- nox -- Meta package
Package: wnpp
Owner: Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>
Severity: wishlist



* Package name    : nox
  Version         : 0.1
  Upstream Author : Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>
* URL             : http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/proposals/2009-01-17_nox/
* License         : GPL
  Programming Lang: n.a
  Description     : nox -- Meta packages
    No-X is a suite of shell tools, either command line or Curses based,
    that are useful for people that don't use X-Window.
   
    Binary packages:
     - nox-base, depends on the most common command line tools, that are
       suitable for most systems (desktop and servers).
     - nox-desktop-environment, which is very complete No-X metapackage for
       desktop user. It attempts to provides many functionality provided by
       graphical desktop environnements, but only text and ncurse based.
     - fb-desktop-environment is similar to above, but also have some graphical
       progams (using framebuffer... not for vt100 terminals ;-)
     - nox-base provides a reduced set of tools that many users might want
       to add to a standard system.
     - nox-system-tools provides a large set of tools, suitable on both
       end-users systems and servers.
     - nox-server-tools provides a set of tools, that one probably want on
       a servers.
     - nox-network-clients depends on many usual network tools and clients.



The idea comes from wiki pages like http://wiki.debian.org/Console where 
visitors/contributors seems to like to install some extra command-line tools.

The current debian/control draft is included below. The current dependencies
on package with priority=standard are going to go away (like "less"), unless
there are useful alternatives in which case It might depends on either (?).

Franklin



---- debian/control ----

Source: nox
Section: misc
Priority: extra
Maintainer: Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>
Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7)
Standards-Version: 3.7.3
Homepage: http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/proposals/2009-01-17_nox/

Package: nox-base
Architecture: all
Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, mc, aptitude, screen, less, w3m|elinks|links|w3mmee|html2text, curl|wget, vim-nox|emacs|editor, mutt|cone|alpine, bc, tree, gzip, bzip2, unzip, acl, attr, rsync
Recommends: nox-network-clients, lsb-core, genisoimage, wodim|dvd+rw-tools, parted, file, man, info, p7zip|p7zip-full
Suggests: unrar|unrar|p7zip-rar
Description: Metapackage with regular command line tools for No-X users.
 No-X is a suite of shell tools, either command line or Curses based,
 that are useful for people that don't use X-Window.
 .
 This package depends on the most common command line tools, that are
 suitable for most systems (desktop and servers).
 .
 See also:
  * nox-desktop-environment, which is very complete No-X metapackage for
    desktop user. It attempts to provides many functionality provided by
    graphical desktop environnements, but only text and ncurse based.
  * fb-desktop-environment is similar to above, but also have some graphical
    progams (using framebuffer... not for vt100 terminals ;-)
  * nox-base provides a reduced set of tools that many users might want
    to add to a standard system.
  * nox-system-tools provides a large set of tools, suitable on both
    end-users systems and servers.
  * nox-server-tools provides a set of tools, that one probably want on
    a servers.
  * nox-network-clients depends on many usual network tools and clients.
 .

Package: nox-desktop-environement
Architecture: all
Depends: nox-base, nox-network-clients, dvtm, irssi|irc|finch, xpdf-utils|pdftohtml, lbdb|bbdb|abook, xlhtml, wv, ppthtml, aview|fbi, sc|oleo, vlock, lpr, ispell, mlocate, cdw, cmus|herrie|ncmpc|moc, snownews|newsbeuter
Recommends: pmount, hal, dict-client, dosfstools
Suggests: fb-desktop-environment, gpm, ntfs-3g, udftools, linphone-nox
Description: Metapackage with command line tools for nox "Desktop" users.
  nox-desktop-environment, which is very complete No-X metapackage for
  desktop user. It attempts to provides many functionality provided by
  graphical desktop environnements, but based on text and ncurse.
 .
 See also:
  - Othe packages that depends on libslang2 or libaa1, libncursesw5 
  - fb-desktop-environement, is similar, but use framebuffer.
 FIXME:
  - some avahi tools
  - openoffice ; ms word
  - cnetwork-manager (needs to be tested and ITP'd)

Package: fb-desktop-environment
Architecture: all
Depends: nox-base, nox-desktop-environement, nox-network-clients, nox-system-tools, directvnc, fbi, xine-console|mplayer
Suggests: linuxvnc
Description: Metapackage with Framebuffer based desktop environement.
 fb-desktop-environment is similar to above, but also have some graphical
 progams (using framebuffer... not VT100 terminals ;-)
 Frame-buffer based desktop environnement.
 .
 See also:
  - Other packages that depends on libdirectfb-1.0-0
  - nox-desktop-environement, is similar, but don't use framebuffer.
 FIXME:
  - suggest qingy?

Package: nox-system-tools
Architecture: all
Depends: nox-base, psmisc, pciutils|lshw|discover|hwinfo|hal, usbutils|lshw|discover|hwinfo|hal, lsscsi|lshw|discover|hwinfo|hal, eject, htop, iotop, iftop, ethtool, e2fsprogs|xfsprogs|jfsutils|reiserfsprogs|reiser4progs
Recommends: sudo
Suggests: e2fsprogs, xfsprogs, jfsutils, reiserfsprogs, reiser4progs
Description: Metapackage with system command line tools for nox users.
 <insert long description, indented with spaces>

Package: nox-server-tools
Architecture: all
Depends: nox-base, molly-guard
Recommends: apt-listchanges, ssh-server, logcheck, apt-cron
Suggests: nox-network-clients, opie-server
Description: Metapackage with command line tools for nox server admins.
 <insert long description, indented with spaces>

Package: nox-network-clients
Architecture: all
Depends: nox-base, smbclient, ssh-client, nfs-client, ftp|ncftp|lftp, w3m|elinks|links|w3mmee, net-tools, ntpdate, whois, mutt|alpine|cone, dnsutils, net-tools, ping, tcptraceroute|traceroute
Recommends: ldap-client, netcat, irssi|irc|finch
Suggests: nox-system-tools, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant, slrn|tin|cone, telnet, tftp|tftp-hpa, tcpdump|tshark, finger
Description: Metapackage with networking command line tools for nox users.
 <insert long description, indented with spaces>
 FIXME:
  - other candidate packages: network-manager "client", avahi
  - unstable: add wicd??
 linuxvnc  is too unsecure to be Suggested.






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Bug#512136; Package wnpp. (Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:27:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to <wnpp@debian.org>. (Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:27:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #10 received at 512136@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>
To: 512136@bugs.debian.org, Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Bug#512136: Acknowledgement (ITP: nox -- nox -- Meta package)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:25:20 +0100
I forgot to 'X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel'... so I'm forwarding it.
----

Subject: ITP: nox -- nox -- Meta package
Package: wnpp
Owner: Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>
Severity: wishlist


* Package name    : nox
  Version         : 0.1
  Upstream Author : Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>
* URL             : http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/proposals/2009-01-17_nox/
* License         : GPL
  Programming Lang: n.a
  Description     : nox -- Meta packages
    No-X is a suite of shell tools, either command line or Curses based,
    that are useful for people that don't use X-Window.
   
    Binary packages:
     - nox-base, depends on the most common command line tools, that are
       suitable for most systems (desktop and servers).
     - nox-desktop-environment, which is very complete No-X metapackage for
       desktop user. It attempts to provides many functionality provided by
       graphical desktop environnements, but only text and ncurse based.
     - fb-desktop-environment is similar to above, but also have some graphical
       progams (using framebuffer... not for vt100 terminals ;-)
     - nox-base provides a reduced set of tools that many users might want
       to add to a standard system.
     - nox-system-tools provides a large set of tools, suitable on both
       end-users systems and servers.
     - nox-server-tools provides a set of tools, that one probably want on
       a servers.
     - nox-network-clients depends on many usual network tools and clients.



The idea comes from wiki pages like http://wiki.debian.org/Console where 
visitors/contributors seems to like to install some extra command-line tools.

The current debian/control draft is included below[1]. The current dependencies
on package with priority=standard are going to go away (like "less"), unless
there are useful alternatives in which case It might depends on either (?).

Franklin


[1] http://bugs.debian.org/512136





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Bug#512136; Package wnpp. (Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:24:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Daniel Moerner <dmoerner@gmail.com>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to <wnpp@debian.org>, Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>. (Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:24:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #15 received at 512136@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Daniel Moerner <dmoerner@gmail.com>
To: Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>
Cc: 512136@bugs.debian.org, Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#512136: Acknowledgement (ITP: nox -- nox -- Meta package)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:21:15 -0800
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be> wrote:
> The current debian/control draft is included below[1]. The current dependencies
> on package with priority=standard are going to go away (like "less"), unless
> there are useful alternatives in which case It might depends on either (?).

Most is a nice color alternative to less.

I also presume that we would want vim-nox | emacs22-nox | editor.

Something I don't quite understand is the target audience: most people
who run a command line install will know exactly what they want
installed, and won't need a metapackage to do it or to bring in
extraneous stuff.

Something that might also be useful would be a nox-debian-devel
package which would include tools that everyone needs for packaging
(lintian, build-essentials, devscripts, dput | dupload, fakeroot, etc)

Daniel

-- 
Daniel Moerner <dmoerner@gmail.com>




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Bug#512136; Package wnpp. (Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:33:06 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Adeodato Simó <dato@net.com.org.es>:
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Message #20 received at 512136@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Adeodato Simó <dato@net.com.org.es>
To: Daniel Moerner <dmoerner@gmail.com>
Cc: 512136@bugs.debian.org, Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#512136: Acknowledgement (ITP: nox -- nox -- Meta package)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:31:42 +0100
* Daniel Moerner [Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:21:15 -0800]:

> Something that might also be useful would be a nox-debian-devel
> package which would include tools that everyone needs for packaging
> (lintian, build-essentials, devscripts, dput | dupload, fakeroot, etc)

What does "nox-" have to do with that?

-- 
Adeodato Simó                                     dato at net.com.org.es
Debian Developer                                  adeodato at debian.org
 
Mankind are very odd creatures: one half censure what they practice, the
other half practice what they censure; the rest always say and do as
they ought.
                -- Michel de Montaigne





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Bug#512136; Package wnpp. (Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:36:05 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>:
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Message #25 received at 512136@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>
To: Daniel Moerner <dmoerner@gmail.com>
Cc: Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>, 512136@bugs.debian.org, Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#512136: Acknowledgement (ITP: nox -- nox -- Meta package)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:34:15 +0100
Daniel Moerner, le Sun 18 Jan 2009 10:21:15 -0800, a écrit :
> Something I don't quite understand is the target audience: most people
> who run a command line install will know exactly what they want
> installed, and won't need a metapackage to do it or to bring in
> extraneous stuff.

Actually I've bounced the ITP to debian-accessibility, as such
meta-package could be useful to blind people starting to use a debian
system from the console.

Samuel




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Bug#512136; Package wnpp. (Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:42:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Daniel Moerner <dmoerner@gmail.com>:
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Message #30 received at 512136@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Daniel Moerner <dmoerner@gmail.com>
To: 512136@bugs.debian.org, Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#512136: Acknowledgement (ITP: nox -- nox -- Meta package)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:39:13 -0800
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Adeodato Simó <dato@net.com.org.es> wrote:
> * Daniel Moerner [Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:21:15 -0800]:
>
>> Something that might also be useful would be a nox-debian-devel
>> package which would include tools that everyone needs for packaging
>> (lintian, build-essentials, devscripts, dput | dupload, fakeroot, etc)
>
> What does "nox-" have to do with that?

Nothing at all really, but it is no more "X" oriented than the
packages in the suggested nox-system-tools.

I was mostly trying to give an example of a targeted metapackage that
might also be generally useful. With the exception of the dput |
dupload debate, most of the Debian packaging tools are canonical for
all users. In contrast, there are many many alternatives to things
like w3m or mutt or irssi. In most cases, people will know which
console web browser or mail client they want, which will require
manually pulling them in first before the metapackage (if it isn't the
first alternative) or manipulating the installed packages in aptitude.
This reduces the utility of a metapackage since it's no longer
automated. The debian-devel example was just meant to suggest a case
in which a metapackage might be more useful, since everyone needs the
same tools.

But that's another discussion and it shouldn't crowd this thread.

Daniel


-- 
Daniel Moerner <dmoerner@gmail.com>




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Bug#512136; Package wnpp. (Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:45:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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Message #35 received at 512136@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>
To: Daniel Moerner <dmoerner@gmail.com>
Cc: 512136@bugs.debian.org, Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#512136: Acknowledgement (ITP: nox -- nox -- Meta package)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:43:29 +0100
On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 10:21 -0800, Daniel Moerner wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be> wrote:
> > The current debian/control draft is included below[1]. The current dependencies
> > on package with priority=standard are going to go away (like "less"), unless
> > there are useful alternatives in which case It might depends on either (?).
> 
> Most is a nice color alternative to less.
> 
> I also presume that we would want vim-nox | emacs22-nox | editor.

Thanks, will do.

> Something I don't quite understand is the target audience: most people
> who run a command line install will know exactly what they want
> installed, and won't need a metapackage to do it or to bring in
> extraneous stuff.

The point of those package is to provide an easy way to install
_popular_ package (that aren't suitable for priority=standard).

> Something that might also be useful would be a nox-debian-devel
> package which would include tools that everyone needs for packaging
> (lintian, build-essentials, devscripts, dput | dupload, fakeroot, etc)

This could be added, but the source would have to be renamed. There are
many more packages to make a deb-devel-environment, like doc-debian,
debian-policy, maint-guide developers-reference, git, svn, cvs, hg,
debhelper, dpatch|cdbs, ssh-client...

Anyone interested to collaborating is welcome (I will probably ping the
tasksel maintainers myself, as it's closely related).

Franklin





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Acknowledgement sent to Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org>:
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Message #40 received at 512136@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org>
To: 512136@bugs.debian.org
Cc: control@bugs.debian.org
Subject: nox: changing back from ITP to RFP
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:06:28 +0000
retitle 512136 RFP: nox -- nox -- Meta package
noowner 512136
thanks

Hi,

This is an automatic email to change the status of nox back from ITP
(Intent to Package) to RFP (Request for Package), because this bug hasn't seen
any activity during the last 12 months.

If you are still interested in adopting nox, please send a mail to
<control@bugs.debian.org> with:

 retitle 512136 ITP: nox -- nox -- Meta package
 owner 512136 !
 thanks

However, it is not recommended to keep ITP for a long time without acting on
the package, as it might cause other prospective maintainers to refrain from
packaging that software. It is also a good idea to document your progress on
this ITP from time to time, by mailing <512136@bugs.debian.org>.

Thank you for your interest in Debian,
-- 
Lucas, for the QA team <debian-qa@lists.debian.org>




Changed Bug title to 'RFP: nox -- nox -- Meta package' from 'ITP: nox -- nox -- Meta package' Request was from Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Tue, 25 May 2010 17:17:21 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Removed annotation that Bug was owned by Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>. Request was from Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Tue, 25 May 2010 17:17:21 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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