Debian Bug report logs - #492231
konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: general: unable to mount fixed drives

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:23:08 +0200

Package: general
Severity: important


Installing debian etch on several computers and with 5 different kernels (2.6.15, 18, 22, 24 and 25) i found out that it's impossible to mount fixed drives 
(with any partition type) by clicking on them in konqueror media:/, do you know about this problem? 
I got "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 500" when i click on a fixed 
hard-disk, or right-click and then "mount", same thing...
No problem with konqueror as root (yes i am in plugdev group, but still...).
No problem with removable devices (pen or hard-disks).
No problem with manual mount, after it i'm able to use konqueror media:/, but still can't do unmount...
Thanks


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Message #10 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stéphane Glondu <steph@glondu.net>

To: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

Cc: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#492231: general: unable to mount fixed drives

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:09:35 +0200

Notch-1 a écrit :
> Installing debian etch on several computers and with 5 different kernels (2.6.15, 18, 22, 24 and 25) i found out that it's impossible to mount fixed drives 
> (with any partition type) by clicking on them in konqueror media:/, do you know about this problem? 
> I got "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 500" when i click on a fixed 
> hard-disk, or right-click and then "mount", same thing...
> No problem with konqueror as root (yes i am in plugdev group, but still...).
> No problem with removable devices (pen or hard-disks).
> No problem with manual mount, after it i'm able to use konqueror media:/, but still can't do unmount...

Are you in "disk" group? Can you mount the disks with pmount (as non-root)?


Cheers,

-- 
Stéphane

Message #15 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

To: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:44:54 +0200

> Are you in "disk" group? 
yes

> Can you mount the disks with pmount (as non-root)? 
yes, editing /etc/pmount.allow i can...

Thanks

Message #20 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stéphane Glondu <steph@glondu.net>

To: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>, 492231@bugs.debian.org

Cc: control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#492231: general: unable to mount fixed drives

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:20:00 +0200

reassign 492231 konqueror
severity 492231 normal
thanks

Notch-1 wrote:
> Installing debian etch on several computers and with 5 different kernels (2.6.15, 18, 22, 24 and 25) i found out that it's impossible to mount fixed drives 
> (with any partition type) by clicking on them in konqueror media:/, do you know about this problem? 
> I got "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 500" when i click on a fixed 
> hard-disk, or right-click and then "mount", same thing...
> No problem with konqueror as root (yes i am in plugdev group, but still...).
> No problem with removable devices (pen or hard-disks).
> No problem with manual mount, after it i'm able to use konqueror media:/, but still can't do unmount...

Have you tried typing "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options" on Google?
It seems that some people had a problem similar, and solved it.

Anyway, this is definitely not the right place to ask your question.
Probably a mailing-list from there:

  http://lists.debian.org/users.html

would be more suitable. I forward this bugreport to konqueror.


Cheers,

-- 
Stéphane Glondu

Message #31 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

To: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:40:07 +0200

Yes, have you tried "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options debian -ntfs" ?? 
The first one is this bug report, and the others are just question without 
answers, or this bug report again! :DD
I'm with debian, and i have this problem with ntfs and fat partition, so...
I think this is a different problem, that's why i wrote here...
Any suggestion?
Thanks

Message #36 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stéphane Glondu <steph@glondu.net>

To: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:09:45 +0200

Notch-1 wrote:
> Yes, have you tried "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options debian -ntfs" ?? 
> The first one is this bug report, and the others are just question without 
> answers, or this bug report again! :DD
> I'm with debian, and i have this problem with ntfs and fat partition, so...
> I think this is a different problem, that's why i wrote here...
> Any suggestion?

Have you tried this:

  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=736714

PS: please give a subject to your mails

-- 
Stéphane Glondu

Message #41 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

To: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:13:45 +0200

>Have you tried this:

>  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=736714

Cant's see any ntfs-tools in debian etch repository, ntftprogs it's the same 
package renamed? It contains tool for managing ntfs filesystems, but not for 
any type of configuration, so i guess not...
Thanks

Message #46 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

To: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:46:39 +0200

Am i really the only one with this problem?? I got this on many different 
computer, with many different disks! And only with debian!
Please help me...

Message #51 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Modestas Vainius <modestas@vainius.eu>

To: "Notch-1" <n1@notch-1.com>, 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:14:27 +0300

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Hi,

Tuesday 29 July 2008, Notch-1 rašė:
> Am i really the only one with this problem?? I got this on many different
> computer, with many different disks! And only with debian!
> Please help me...
Of course it is not allowed unless they are in /etc/fstab with users or 
appropriate user option.

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Modestas Vainius <modestas@vainius.eu>

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Message #56 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

To: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:18:00 +0200

> Of course it is not allowed unless they are in /etc/fstab 
> with users or  appropriate user option.
Thank you for your reply, but isn't avoid this the purpose of hal? 
I'm on a pendrive system, to work on every pc, so...

Message #61 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Modestas Vainius <modestas@vainius.eu>

To: "Notch-1" <n1@notch-1.com>, 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:04:38 +0300

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Hi,

Tuesday 29 July 2008, Notch-1 rašė:
> Thank you for your reply, but isn't avoid this the purpose of hal?
No, hal deals only with removable drives. It refuses to mount all fixed 
drives, /etc/fstab based mounting is KDE media feature.

> I'm on a pendrive system, to work on every pc, so...

From your original bug report:
>"No problem with removable devices (pen or hard-disks)."

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Modestas Vainius <modestas@vainius.eu>

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Message #66 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

To: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:55:53 +0200

>> Thank you for your reply, but isn't avoid this the purpose of hal?
>No, hal deals only with removable drives. It refuses to mount all fixed 
>drives, /etc/fstab based mounting is KDE media feature.
Can i change this behavior?
What can i do, better than open a shell and manual mount? (i can't use fstab)
And most of all: WHY? :P


>> I'm on a pendrive system, to work on every pc, so...

>From your original bug report:
>>No problem with removable devices (pen or hard-disks)."

Ahahaha are you kidding me? Obiously sometimes i need also to mount some fixed 
harddisks :D

Anyway, with some other distribution i tried (the last one is kubuntu 
8.04.1-desktop, yesterday) i can mount fixed harddisk just like removable, 
so...?
Thanks again

Message #71 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Modestas Vainius <modestas@vainius.eu>

To: "Notch-1" <n1@notch-1.com>, 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:34:03 +0300

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Hi,

Tuesday 29 July 2008, Notch-1 rašė:
> Can i change this behavior?
> What can i do, better than open a shell and manual mount? (i can't use
> fstab) And most of all: WHY? :P
Seriously, why can't you just premount __fixed disks__ on boot? If you don't 
want to do that, use noauto option in conjunction with the user (or users) 
option in /etc/fstab. Then as I said you will be able to mount the disk via 
media:/

> Ahahaha are you kidding me? Obiously sometimes i need also to mount some
> fixed harddisks :D
Sure you do. But you know Linux is not some Windows and if everyone could 
premount a fixed disk by default, that would pose a security risk.

> Anyway, with some other distribution i tried (the last one is kubuntu
> 8.04.1-desktop, yesterday) i can mount fixed harddisk just like removable,
> so...?
Probably because ubuntu installer adds your disk to /etc/fstab with noauto and 
user options. Or ubuntu hacked their KDE and hal/permissions in the way that 
it does not look like the real KDE/Linux anymore. It _might_ be possible to 
mount fixed disks via hal but I'm not really sure about that.

P.S. NTFS support in HAL-mounting is known to be broken.

-- 
Modestas Vainius <modestas@vainius.eu>

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Message #76 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

To: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:36:56 +0200

>> Can i change this behavior?
>> What can i do, better than open a shell and manual mount? (i can't use
>> fstab) And most of all: WHY? :P
>Seriously, why can't you just premount __fixed disks__ on boot? If you don't 
>want to do that, use noauto option in conjunction with the user (or users) 
>option in /etc/fstab. Then as I said you will be able to mount the disk via 
>media:/
No, can't! I simply want a system that works everywere, not a system that 
force me to edit some files to use it. If i have to tell the system wich disk 
i have, then i'm the system! My system has to work FOR me, not WITH me...
This mean live distro...

>> Ahahaha are you kidding me? Obiously sometimes i need also to mount some
>> fixed harddisks :D
>Sure you do. But you know Linux is not some Windows and if everyone could 
>premount a fixed disk by default, that would pose a security risk.
Not like windows... You mean that what people say about linux is true? Is made 
for developers only? :D Then i am a developer, but i still don't want to edit 
a file to mount a drive :DD
I understand the policy thing, but i simply disagree,so how to change this 
behavior?
I have to write all possible entry from hda1 to hdz99 to fstab? :D

>> Anyway, with some other distribution i tried (the last one is kubuntu
>> 8.04.1-desktop, yesterday) i can mount fixed harddisk just like removable,
>> so...?
>Probably because ubuntu installer adds your disk to /etc/fstab with noauto 
>and 
>user options. 
Live cd only, i ain't installed anything

>Or ubuntu hacked their KDE and hal/permissions in the way that  
>it does not look like the real KDE/Linux anymore. 
Mmmm, i'll ask kubuntu people...

>It _might_ be possible to  
>mount fixed disks via hal but I'm not really sure about that.
How else? It looks like hal...

>P.S. NTFS support in HAL-mounting is known to be broken.
yes, i know, read the "original bug report" please (as you mentioned before, 
quoting me)

Message #81 received at 492231-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Modestas Vainius <modestas@vainius.eu>

To: "Notch-1" <n1@notch-1.com>, 492231-done@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:56:07 +0300

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Hi,

Wednesday 30 July 2008, Notch-1 rašė:
> Not like windows... You mean that what people say about linux is true? Is
> made for developers only? :D Then i am a developer, but i still don't want
> to edit a file to mount a drive :DD
> I understand the policy thing, but i simply disagree,so how to change this
> behavior?
> I have to write all possible entry from hda1 to hdz99 to fstab? :D
Come on. This is starting to sound ridiculous.

> Live cd only, i ain't installed anything
You could have said this earlier. Debian does have some LiveCDs but not 
something very official. Read http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/, wiki, ask 
on mailing list or their IRC. Debian Live is highly customizable and it might 
be that simply LiveCD provider missed some option or something. Anyway, this 
is not konqueror problem and it is not really a bug but rather a user support 
question. It might be a wishlist bug if the feature is not implemented. So 
feel free to reopen the bug on the real package (live cd generator) it belongs 
to. konqueror behaviour is just fine with regard to system policies.

>yes, i know, read the "original bug report" please (as you mentioned before, 
>quoting me)
Again, I'll quote you "Installing debian etch on several computers and with 5 
different kernels (2.6.15, 18, 22, 24 and 25)". Nothing about LiveCD at all. 
It is possible to configure user,users options in the Debian Installer.

-- 
Modestas Vainius <modestas@vainius.eu>

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Message #86 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

To: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Bug#492231: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:33:45 +0200

>> Not like windows... You mean that what people say about linux is true? Is
>> made for developers only? :D Then i am a developer, but i still don't want
>> to edit a file to mount a drive :DD
>> I understand the policy thing, but i simply disagree,so how to change this
>> behavior?
>> I have to write all possible entry from hda1 to hdz99 to fstab? :D
>Come on. This is starting to sound ridiculous.
STARTING?!?!
This started as an innocent question, you guys are answering me with random 
quote or random google link, you made this ridiculous!


>> Live cd only, i ain't installed anything
>You could have said this earlier. Debian does have some LiveCDs but not 
>something very official. Read http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/, wiki, 
>ask 
>on mailing list or their IRC. Debian Live is highly customizable and it might 
>be that simply LiveCD provider missed some option or something. Anyway, this 
 >is not konqueror problem and it is not really a bug but rather a user 
>support 
>question. It might be a wishlist bug if the feature is not implemented. So 
>feel free to reopen the bug on the real package (live cd generator) it 
>belongs 
>to. konqueror behaviour is just fine with regard to system policies.

>>yes, i know, read the "original bug report" please (as you mentioned before, 
>>quoting me)
>Again, I'll quote you "Installing debian etch on several computers and with 5 
>different kernels (2.6.15, 18, 22, 24 and 25)". Nothing about LiveCD at all. 
>It is possible to configure user,users options in the Debian Installer.
THE KUBUNTU TEST WAS FROM THE LIVE CD!! I was talking about kunbuntu, you read 
1 line every 5 ?!?
And i don't want a "not very official" live debian, i just want to change the 
policy, so should you simply tell me where i can found the line that make hal 
refuse to mount my disks? Or tell me who knows!

Anyway, i started this as "general", Stéphane Glondu <steph@glondu.net> 
reassigned this to "konqueror" (don't know why, it's mounting problem, with 
dolphin it's the same thing....), i think "hal" it's even better... Live cd 
generator? I disagree (does not make much sense to me), but reassign this to 
whatever you want...

Message #91 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stéphane Glondu <steph@glondu.net>

To: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>, 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:01:47 +0200

Notch-1 a écrit :
> Anyway, i started this as "general", Stéphane Glondu <steph@glondu.net> 
> reassigned this to "konqueror" (don't know why, it's mounting problem, with 
> dolphin it's the same thing....), i think "hal" it's even better... Live cd 
> generator? I disagree (does not make much sense to me), but reassign this to 
> whatever you want...

I reassigned this bug to "konqueror", hoping that someone who knows 
konqueror better could help you (I don't really know konqueror myself, 
and neither do many people who read bugreports for "general", I think). 
Your initial report mentioned konqueror and hal; either of those would 
have been more relevant than "general".


Cheers,

-- 
Stéphane Glondu

Message #96 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ana Guerrero <ana@debian.org>

To: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>, 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: bug/issue closed

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:40:02 +0200

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:33:45AM +0200, Notch-1 wrote:
> >> Not like windows... You mean that what people say about linux is true? Is
> >> made for developers only? :D Then i am a developer, but i still don't want
> >> to edit a file to mount a drive :DD
> >> I understand the policy thing, but i simply disagree,so how to change this
> >> behavior?
> >> I have to write all possible entry from hda1 to hdz99 to fstab? :D
> >Come on. This is starting to sound ridiculous.
> STARTING?!?!
> This started as an innocent question, you guys are answering me with random 
> quote or random google link, you made this ridiculous!
> 
> 
> >> Live cd only, i ain't installed anything
> >You could have said this earlier. Debian does have some LiveCDs but not 
> >something very official. Read http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/, wiki, 
> >ask 
> >on mailing list or their IRC. Debian Live is highly customizable and it might 
> >be that simply LiveCD provider missed some option or something. Anyway, this 
>  >is not konqueror problem and it is not really a bug but rather a user 
> >support 
> >question. It might be a wishlist bug if the feature is not implemented. So 
> >feel free to reopen the bug on the real package (live cd generator) it 
> >belongs 
> >to. konqueror behaviour is just fine with regard to system policies.
> 
> >>yes, i know, read the "original bug report" please (as you mentioned before, 
> >>quoting me)
> >Again, I'll quote you "Installing debian etch on several computers and with 5 
> >different kernels (2.6.15, 18, 22, 24 and 25)". Nothing about LiveCD at all. 
> >It is possible to configure user,users options in the Debian Installer.
> THE KUBUNTU TEST WAS FROM THE LIVE CD!! I was talking about kunbuntu, you read 
> 1 line every 5 ?!?
> And i don't want a "not very official" live debian, i just want to change the 
> policy, so should you simply tell me where i can found the line that make hal 
> refuse to mount my disks? Or tell me who knows!
> 
> Anyway, i started this as "general", Stéphane Glondu <steph@glondu.net> 
> reassigned this to "konqueror" (don't know why, it's mounting problem, with 
> dolphin it's the same thing....), i think "hal" it's even better... Live cd 
> generator? I disagree (does not make much sense to me), but reassign this to 
> whatever you want...
>

You already have got several good answers about your problem, and you seem not
value this and even try to mock us. So there is not much more to answer/help here.

Ana

Message #101 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

To: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Re: konqueror: unable to mount fixed drives. Nobody knows how to fix this...

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:58:05 +0200

> I reassigned this bug to "konqueror", hoping that someone who knows 
> konqueror better could help you (I don't really know konqueror myself, 
> and neither do many people who read bugreports for "general", I think). 
>Your initial report mentioned konqueror and hal; either of those would 
>have been more relevant than "general".
You are right, but maybe "hal" it's more specific for my question...And 
anyway, now we know that nobody that know konqueror can help me...

In the beginning i was not sure if it was a hal or konqueror or whateverelse 
thing, so i choosed general... Thank to you now i know that is a debian 
thing :P
I'm kidding, i think all the concept behind debian are very good, so please 
don't make me change distro cause of this stupid problem, i spent 2 years to 
reach this point with my debian system...one of them asking for a decent 
workaround for this hal thing...
Please please help me

Message #106 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

To: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: bug/issue closed

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:14:09 +0200

>You already have got several good answers about your problem, and you seem 
>not
>value this and even try to mock us. So there is not much more to answer/help 
>here.

Have you really read this report? Of what answers are you talking about? 
It was only fake random help, if you read this carefully you'll see it.
The only answers i want are: 
1) if this is a bug how to fix it
2) if it is a debian security choise (very good,but a big problem for me), 
show me where is it!! I mean the file in wich i can read this written down, 
and hopefully change it...
If you are bothered or whatever, please make me talk with a hal developer, 
thanks

Message #111 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Modestas Vainius <modestas@vainius.eu>

To: "Notch-1" <n1@notch-1.com>, 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#492231: bug/issue closed

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:14:03 +0300

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Hi,

Wednesday 30 July 2008, Notch-1 rašė:
> If you are bothered or whatever, please make me talk with a hal developer,
> thanks
You are not forbidden to do anything. Just look at 
http://packages.debian.org/hal and contact the maintainer yourself. But, 
please, KDE has nothing to do with this "bug", that's hal refusing your 
action. I sincerely tried to explain "workarounds" for you but you would not 
listen. If some kubuntu livecd works for you (I bet knoppix and/or sidux would 
work the same way too, because they are LiveCDs. I would expect the LiveCD to 
behave so), that's great. But official Debian installation is not a LiveCD. 
You are bothering the wrong people.

-- 
Modestas Vainius <modestas@vainius.eu>

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Message #116 received at 492231@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Notch-1 <n1@notch-1.com>

To: 492231@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Re: Bug#492231: general: unable to mount fixed drives

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:14:24 +0200

>> If you are bothered or whatever, please make me talk with a hal developer,
>> thanks
>You are not forbidden to do anything. Just look at 
>http://packages.debian.org/hal and contact the maintainer yourself. But, 
>please, KDE has nothing to do with this "bug", that's hal refusing your 
>action.
Yes, i just asked you how to avoid this, expecting that kde people use to  
deal with this kind of things..

>I sincerely tried to explain "workarounds" for you but you would not  
>listen.
Your workaround was to use fstab? :D I told you, i simply can't :DDD

>If some kubuntu livecd works for you (I bet knoppix and/or sidux >would  
>work the same way too, because they are LiveCDs. I would expect the LiveCD to 
>behave so), that's great. But official Debian installation is not a LiveCD. 
>You are bothering the wrong people.
I think you are just the wrong people, i asked kubuntu guys and finally 
figured out that they simply use kdesu as workaround! (in both live and 
installed version, but the live does not even ask for the password, because 
is a livecd...) This is what we call workaround...
Now i have to choose: apply this teqnique to my system, or change the base 
distro...I'm working on this system since 2 years...

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