Debian Bug report logs - #489218
win32-loader: [INTL:vi] Vietnamese program translation update

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Clytie Siddall <clytie@riverland.net.au>

To: Submit <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: win32-loader: [INTL:vi] Vietnamese program translation update

Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:29:20 +0930

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Package: win32-loader
Version:
Tags:  l10n patch
Severity: wishlist

The updated Vietnamese translation for the program file: win32-loader

Incidentally, are we using NSIS Unicode [1]? It provides UTF-8 support  
for Windows installers (and I've added a Vietnamese translation to it).

translated and submitted by:

Clytie Siddall
Vietnamese Free-Software Translation Team
http://vnoss.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=projects:l10n

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[1] http://www.scratchpaper.com/

Message #8 received at 489218@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>

To: Clytie Siddall <clytie@riverland.net.au>, 489218@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#489218: win32-loader: [INTL:vi] Vietnamese program translation update

Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 14:07:25 +0200

On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 03:29:20PM +0930, Clytie Siddall wrote:
> Package: win32-loader
> Version:
> Tags:  l10n patch
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> The updated Vietnamese translation for the program file: win32-loader

Thanks!

> Incidentally, are we using NSIS Unicode [1]? It provides UTF-8 support  
> for Windows installers (and I've added a Vietnamese translation to it).

> [1] http://www.scratchpaper.com/

Is this a fork/branch of NSIS?  In that case, I'm afraid we can't use your
translation untill Unicode support is merged (either in upstream or in the
Debian package).

-- 
Robert Millan

<GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call!
<DRM> What good is a phone call… if you are unable to speak?
(as seen on /.)

Message #11 received at 489218@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>

To: Clytie Siddall <clytie@riverland.net.au>

Cc: 489218@bugs.debian.org, nsis@packages.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#489218: win32-loader: [INTL:vi] Vietnamese program translation update

Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:28:15 +0200

clone 489218 -1
retitle -1 support for utf-16
reassign -1 nsis
thanks

On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 11:11:46PM +0930, Clytie Siddall wrote:
> >
> >Is this a fork/branch of NSIS?  In that case, I'm afraid we can't  
> >use your
> >translation untill Unicode support is merged (either in upstream or  
> >in the
> >Debian package).
> 
> NSIS Unicode is actually a separate project. The main NSIS project  
> refuses to support UTF-8, despite years of increasingly desperate  
> requests from the languages that require it (like Vietnamese). In the  
> end, this guy had to start his own project to solve the problem. He  
> always uses the latest NSIS code, but adds his modifications so it  
> supports UTF-8.

From the link in their site to forum discussion about merging this in NSIS,
it doesn't seem like they refuse to, but simply have concerns about minor
things like which charset to use for examples, etc.  Are you sure this isn't
going to be merged in the near future?

A problem with switching completely to UTF-16 is that this seems to be
incompatible with Windows 98 (believe it or not, there are many users of
this program who run it under Windows 98).  Is it possible to keep it
multi-charset just like now, but using UTF-16 only for the languages that
need it?

> OpenOffice.org has just started using NSIS Unicode, to support all the  
> languages otherwise left out in the cold, and Mozilla also use it. I  
> should talk to Christian Perrier about this, because it's really an  
> i18n matter. But I thought you should also be concerned, since you're  
> packaging Windows installer software.

It isn't really up to me.  If the functionality is in Debian, and is usable
(see my concern above), I have no problem with using it.  You should also
talk with Paul Wise (the maintainer of nsis in Debian);  I'm cloning this
bug for you.

-- 
Robert Millan

<GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call!
<DRM> What good is a phone call… if you are unable to speak?
(as seen on /.)

Message #18 received at 489218@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Clytie Siddall <clytie@riverland.net.au>

To: Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>

Cc: Jim Park <jim@scratchpaper.com>, 489218@bugs.debian.org, nsis@packages.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#489218: win32-loader: [INTL:vi] Vietnamese program translation update

Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:05:56 +0930

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To Robert Millan, Debian developer for win32-loader
Cc: Jim Park, developer of NSIS Unicode; this bug at the BTS; NSIS  
package address

On 05/07/2008, at 7:58 PM, Robert Millan wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 11:11:46PM +0930, Clytie Siddall wrote:
>>>
>>> Is this a fork/branch of NSIS?  In that case, I'm afraid we can't
>>> use your
>>> translation untill Unicode support is merged (either in upstream or
>>> in the
>>> Debian package).
>>
>> NSIS Unicode is actually a separate project. The main NSIS project
>> refuses to support UTF-8, despite years of increasingly desperate
>> requests from the languages that require it (like Vietnamese). In the
>> end, this guy had to start his own project to solve the problem. He
>> always uses the latest NSIS code, but adds his modifications so it
>> supports UTF-8.
>
> From the link in their site to forum discussion about merging this  
> in NSIS,
> it doesn't seem like they refuse to, but simply have concerns about  
> minor
> things like which charset to use for examples, etc.  Are you sure  
> this isn't
> going to be merged in the near future?

I've CC'd Jim so he can explain this better. All I know is that we  
translators have been formally requesting UTF-8 support in the main  
NSIS project for _years_, at least 3 years in my case. The NSIS  
project has repeatedly said that they "have no intention of supporting  
UTF-8". If they are finally changing their mind, that's great, but I  
wouldn't count on it.
>
>
> A problem with switching completely to UTF-16 is that this seems to be
> incompatible with Windows 98 (believe it or not, there are many  
> users of
> this program who run it under Windows 98).  Is it possible to keep it
> multi-charset just like now, but using UTF-16 only for the languages  
> that
> need it?

Again, Jim can answer this better. I don't actually run Windows  
myself, but nearly all my users do, so I translate a lot of software  
which runs on Windows. I agree that older systems have to be supported  
in some way, since in third-world countries people often can't afford  
modern systems. (I've talked to developers in India, for example,  
whose computers are extremely old and only held together by spit and  
prayer. I remember losing touch with one developer because his  
makeshift hardware repairs (involving string and sticky-tape) had  
fallen apart, and that meant he no longer had computer access.)
>
>
>> OpenOffice.org has just started using NSIS Unicode, to support all  
>> the
>> languages otherwise left out in the cold, and Mozilla also use it. I
>> should talk to Christian Perrier about this, because it's really an
>> i18n matter. But I thought you should also be concerned, since you're
>> packaging Windows installer software.
>
> It isn't really up to me.  If the functionality is in Debian, and is  
> usable
> (see my concern above), I have no problem with using it.  You should  
> also
> talk with Paul Wise (the maintainer of nsis in Debian);  I'm cloning  
> this
> bug for you.

OK, if Jim doesn't mind providing the info, I'm happy to help get  
Unicode NSIS into Debian. I can't package it, but I can help join some  
of the dots. (Note: I will be unavailable for some time soon [1-2  
weeks?] due to medical treatment but hope to be able to participate  
again afterwards.)

from Clytie

Vietnamese Free Software Translation Team
http://vnoss.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=projects:l10n

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Message #23 received at 489218@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian Perrier <bubulle@debian.org>

To: control@bugs.debian.org

Cc: 455677@bugs.debian.org, 489218@bugs.debian.org

Subject: setting package to win32-loader, tagging 455677, tagging 489218

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:06:09 +0200

# Automatically generated email from bts, devscripts version 2.10.33
# via tagpending 
#
# win32-loader (0.6.7+nmu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
#
#  * Vietnamese (vi.po) by Clytie Siddall. Closes: #489218
#  * Dzongkha (vi.po) by Tenzin Dendup. Closes: #455677
#    This language is not activated yet because NSIS is not
#    translated. It is not even guaranteed that Windows
#    supports Dzongkha, indeed.
#

package win32-loader
tags 455677 + pending
tags 489218 + pending

Message #32 received at 489218-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: didier@raboud.com

To: 489218-done@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Vietnamese translation is updated, but not activated

Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 17:17:55 +0200

Version: 0.6.0~pre3

Hi,

The uptodate Vietnamese translation file is in the win32-loader source
package since 0.6.0~pre3 and has been updated several times since then,
but had never (at least isn't now) been activated, as NSIS lacks
Vietnamese support ("Unicode NSIS" does, but isn't in Debian).

So I am hereby closing this bug; please re-open if you feel it is needed.

Cheers,

OdyX

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