Debian Bug report logs - #479440
RFP: funpidgin -- A pidgin fork

Package: wnpp; Maintainer for wnpp is wnpp@debian.org;

Reported by: Mohammed Sameer <msameer@foolab.org>

Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:27:03 UTC

Severity: wishlist

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From: Mohammed Sameer <msameer@foolab.org>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: ITP: funpidgin -- A pidgin fork
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:24:10 +0300
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mohammed Sameer <debian@foolab.org>

* Package name    : funpidgin
  Version         : 2.4.1
  Upstream Author : A lot. Can't be listed here!
* URL             : http://funpidgin.sourceforge.net
* License         : GPL
  Programming Lang: C
  Description     : graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client based on pidgin

Funpidgin is a graphical, modular Instant Messaging client capable of using
AIM/ICQ, Yahoo!, MSN, IRC, Jabber, Napster, Zephyr, Gadu-Gadu, Bonjour,
Groupwise, Sametime, SILC, and SIMPLE all at once.
It has all the features offered by pidgin plus:
* "Entry area manual sizing" a plugin by that allows manual resizing of the entry area.
* An option to set the size of the buddy icons displayed in the chat window.
* An option to let the window manager place new windows.
* Two different ways of seeing that your buddies are typing.
* An optional send button for Tablet PC users.


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Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (50, 'unstable'), (50, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.24-1-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

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Bug#479440; Package wnpp. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Robert Collins <robertc@robertcollins.net>:
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Message #10 received at 479440@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Collins <robertc@robertcollins.net>
To: Mohammed Sameer <msameer@foolab.org>, 479440@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#479440: ITP: funpidgin -- A pidgin fork
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:02:09 +1000
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On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 23:24 +0300, Mohammed Sameer wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Mohammed Sameer <debian@foolab.org>
> 
> * Package name    : funpidgin
>   Version         : 2.4.1
>   Upstream Author : A lot. Can't be listed here!
> * URL             : http://funpidgin.sourceforge.net
> * License         : GPL
>   Programming Lang: C
>   Description     : graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client based on pidgin
> 
> Funpidgin is a graphical, modular Instant Messaging client capable of using
> AIM/ICQ, Yahoo!, MSN, IRC, Jabber, Napster, Zephyr, Gadu-Gadu, Bonjour,
> Groupwise, Sametime, SILC, and SIMPLE all at once.
> It has all the features offered by pidgin plus:
> * "Entry area manual sizing" a plugin by that allows manual resizing of the entry area.
> * An option to set the size of the buddy icons displayed in the chat window.
> * An option to let the window manager place new windows.
> * Two different ways of seeing that your buddies are typing.
> * An optional send button for Tablet PC users.

I know it's not Debian's responsibilty, but these changes really do not
seem worthy of a fork that adds another package to the archive, only
trivially different.

Is there really no chance of these changes being done via a plugin, or
runtime option to pidgin itself?

-Rob
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Bug#479440; Package wnpp. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Mohammed Sameer <msameer@foolab.org>:
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Message #15 received at 479440@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mohammed Sameer <msameer@foolab.org>
To: Robert Collins <robertc@robertcollins.net>
Cc: 479440@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#479440: ITP: funpidgin -- A pidgin fork
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 02:53:26 +0300
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On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 08:02:09AM +1000, Robert Collins wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 23:24 +0300, Mohammed Sameer wrote:
> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
> > Owner: Mohammed Sameer <debian@foolab.org>
> > 
> > * Package name    : funpidgin
> >   Version         : 2.4.1
> >   Upstream Author : A lot. Can't be listed here!
> > * URL             : http://funpidgin.sourceforge.net
> > * License         : GPL
> >   Programming Lang: C
> >   Description     : graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client based on pidgin
> > 
> > Funpidgin is a graphical, modular Instant Messaging client capable of using
> > AIM/ICQ, Yahoo!, MSN, IRC, Jabber, Napster, Zephyr, Gadu-Gadu, Bonjour,
> > Groupwise, Sametime, SILC, and SIMPLE all at once.
> > It has all the features offered by pidgin plus:
> > * "Entry area manual sizing" a plugin by that allows manual resizing of the entry area.
> > * An option to set the size of the buddy icons displayed in the chat window.
> > * An option to let the window manager place new windows.
> > * Two different ways of seeing that your buddies are typing.
> > * An optional send button for Tablet PC users.
> 
> I know it's not Debian's responsibilty, but these changes really do not
> seem worthy of a fork that adds another package to the archive, only
> trivially different.
> 
> Is there really no chance of these changes being done via a plugin, or
> runtime option to pidgin itself?

I spoke to the developers and they said "And no, some of the things we're doing cannot be done practically with plugins.". and that they are intending to expand.




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Message #20 received at 479440@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: William Pitcock <nenolod@sacredspiral.co.uk>
To: 479440@bugs.debian.org
Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#479440: ITP: funpidgin -- A pidgin fork
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 22:49:07 -0500
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Hi,

On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 23:28 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 23:24 +0300, Mohammed Sameer wrote:
> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
> > Owner: Mohammed Sameer <debian@foolab.org>
> > 
> > * Package name    : funpidgin
> >   Version         : 2.4.1
> >   Upstream Author : A lot. Can't be listed here!
> > * URL             : http://funpidgin.sourceforge.net
> > * License         : GPL
> >   Programming Lang: C
> >   Description     : graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client based on pidgin
> > 
> > Funpidgin is a graphical, modular Instant Messaging client capable of using
> > AIM/ICQ, Yahoo!, MSN, IRC, Jabber, Napster, Zephyr, Gadu-Gadu, Bonjour,
> > Groupwise, Sametime, SILC, and SIMPLE all at once.
> > It has all the features offered by pidgin plus:
> > * "Entry area manual sizing" a plugin by that allows manual resizing of the entry area.
> > * An option to set the size of the buddy icons displayed in the chat window.
> > * An option to let the window manager place new windows.
> > * Two different ways of seeing that your buddies are typing.
> > * An optional send button for Tablet PC users.
> 
> Maybe you could wait to see whether this fork lasts, and adds some
> *substantial* features, before adding it?
> 

I too have concern that this fork will not last, but they are receptive
to my ideas and patches, so perhaps I have motivation to make sure the
fork is successful.

William
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Bug#479440; Package wnpp. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Mohammed Sameer <msameer@foolab.org>:
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Message #25 received at 479440@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mohammed Sameer <msameer@foolab.org>
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Cc: 479440@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#479440: ITP: funpidgin -- A pidgin fork
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:13:23 +0300
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On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 09:10:07AM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Am Montag, den 05.05.2008, 01:19 -0400 schrieb Kevin Mark:
> > On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 11:28:40PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 23:24 +0300, Mohammed Sameer wrote:
> > > > Package: wnpp
> > > > Severity: wishlist
> > > > Owner: Mohammed Sameer <debian@foolab.org>
> > > > 
> > > > * Package name    : funpidgin
> > > >   Version         : 2.4.1
> > > >   Upstream Author : A lot. Can't be listed here!
> > > > * URL             : http://funpidgin.sourceforge.net
> > > > * License         : GPL
> > > >   Programming Lang: C
> > > >   Description     : graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client based on pidgin
> > > > 
> > > > Funpidgin is a graphical, modular Instant Messaging client capable of using
> > > > AIM/ICQ, Yahoo!, MSN, IRC, Jabber, Napster, Zephyr, Gadu-Gadu, Bonjour,
> > > > Groupwise, Sametime, SILC, and SIMPLE all at once.
> > > > It has all the features offered by pidgin plus:
> > > > * "Entry area manual sizing" a plugin by that allows manual resizing of the entry area.
> > > > * An option to set the size of the buddy icons displayed in the chat window.
> > > > * An option to let the window manager place new windows.
> > > > * Two different ways of seeing that your buddies are typing.
> > > > * An optional send button for Tablet PC users.
> > > 
> > > Maybe you could wait to see whether this fork lasts, and adds some
> > > *substantial* features, before adding it?
> > > 
> > > Ben.
> > > 
> > 
> > my understanding is that this is a 'protest' fork made to add a feature
> > that the upstream did not want(the resizing). So as long as the upstream
> > resists, it should survive.
> 
> Could we, as the Debian distribution, not make the decision what variant
> we want to distribute? We can take the useful patches from funpidgin, if
> they are good, and add them to “our” pidgin. That might be the best for
> our users and in the spirit of free software, although it might be bad
> for our relationship with upstream pidgin.
> 
> In any case I suggest that the maintainers of pidgin and funpidgin try
> to work together to keep the packages in debian compatible as possible,
> e.g. when it comes to plugins and the like.

Let me clarify my POV a bit.
The resizing part is already implemented as a plugin. If the fork doesn't survive then
it can be "extracted" and shipped alone.

However, checking the list of improvements in their svn leads me to think that they already
started to implement a lot of changes.

The MSN protocol probably can be handled, pidgin and pidgin-experimental packages for
example (But it needs Robert McQueen, the current pidgin maintainer to agree).

My intention is to contact him and see if we can work together or at least reuse the
specific pidgin debian patches he wrote/maintain. Maybe even setup a team if he agrees.

But I'd say wait a bit and see what will happen, I guess the funpidgin developers will
be synching with pidgin but I don't know how it will happen.

point is, everything is easy as long as the plugins API is similar but if funpidgin drifts
then we can't share a lot.

At the moment, funpidgin can't be installed along with pidgin. I'm still waiting for the
new release to see what will happen (And they are planning to solve this ASAP).

Cheers,

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Acknowledgement sent to Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org>:
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Message #30 received at 479440@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org>
To: 479440@bugs.debian.org
Cc: control@bugs.debian.org
Subject: funpidgin: changing back from ITP to RFP
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 19:06:22 +0000
retitle 479440 RFP: funpidgin -- A pidgin fork
noowner 479440
thanks

Hi,

This is an automatic email to change the status of funpidgin back from ITP
(Intent to Package) to RFP (Request for Package), because this bug hasn't seen
any activity during the last 18 months.

If you are still interested in adopting funpidgin, please send a mail to
<control@bugs.debian.org> with:

 retitle 479440 ITP: funpidgin -- A pidgin fork
 owner 479440 !
 thanks

However, it is not recommended to keep ITP for a long time without acting on
the package, as it might cause other prospective maintainers to refrain from
packaging that software. It is also a good idea to document your progress on
this ITP from time to time, by mailing <479440@bugs.debian.org>.

Thank you for your interest in Debian,
-- 
Lucas, for the QA team




Changed Bug title to 'RFP: funpidgin -- A pidgin fork' from 'ITP: funpidgin -- A pidgin fork' Request was from Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Mon, 24 May 2010 19:27:30 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Removed annotation that Bug was owned by Mohammed Sameer <debian@foolab.org>. Request was from Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Mon, 24 May 2010 19:27:30 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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