Debian Bug report logs - #477397
[nexuiz] default keys for "enter console" have no effect (tilde, backquote)

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: [nexuiz] default keys for "enter console" have no effect (tilde, backquote)

Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:59:01 -0400

Package: nexuiz
Version: 2.4-1
Severity: normal

The default keys to enter console are tilde and backquote. Pressing these has 
no effect, though nexuiz recognizes them (I can type them in chat). 
Additionally, the traditional key to bring console (at left of 1) has no 
effect by default.

However, it is possible to set the key to, for example, "#", and it is then 
possible to enter console. This happens on 1 machine on 1 tested, using 
French Canadian keyboard layout.

--- System information. ---
Architecture: i386
Kernel:       Linux 2.6.24

Debian Release: lenny/sid
  990 testing         security.debian.org 
  990 testing         ftp.ca.debian.org 
  500 unstable        ftp.ca.debian.org 

--- Package information. ---
Depends                 (Version) | Installed
=================================-+-==============
libc6                  (>= 2.7-1) | 2.7-10
libcurl3                          | 7.18.0-1+b1
libsdl1.2debian     (>= 1.2.10-1) | 1.2.13-2
libvorbisfile3                    | 1.2.0.dfsg-3
nexuiz-data              (>= 2.4) | 2.4-1

Message #10 received at 477397@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>, 477397@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#477397: [nexuiz] default keys for "enter console" have no effect (tilde, backquote)

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:55:33 +0200

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Am Dienstag, den 22.04.2008, 17:59 -0400 schrieb Filipus Klutiero:
> The default keys to enter console are tilde and backquote. Pressing these has 
> no effect, though nexuiz recognizes them (I can type them in chat). 
> Additionally, the traditional key to bring console (at left of 1) has no 
> effect by default.
that's wrong, pleas have a look at /usr/share/doc/nexuiz/FAQ.html, "How
do I open the console?". the default key combination to open the console
is documented there.

> However, it is possible to set the key to, for example, "#", and it is then 
> possible to enter console. This happens on 1 machine on 1 tested, using 
> French Canadian keyboard layout.
the "old" default key to open the console is deprecated nowadays,
because it wasn't consistent the same key on different keyboard layouts!
of course you can change the configuration to your needs and set the
"open console" command to whatever you prefer. but nexuiz' default
keyboard shortcut to open the in-game console should work on any kind of
keyboard layout!

cheers - fuddl

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Message #15 received at 477397@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de>

To: 477397@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Bug#477397: [nexuiz] default keys for "enter console" have no effect (tilde, backquote)

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:08:57 +0200

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Am Mittwoch, den 23.04.2008, 07:55 +0200 schrieb Bruno Kleinert:
> that's wrong, pleas have a look at /usr/share/doc/nexuiz/FAQ.html, "How
> do I open the console?". the default key combination to open the console
> is documented there.
d'oh, i forgot something: please tell me, if the documented keyboard
shortcut to open the in-game console works on your system!

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Message #20 received at 477397@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: 477397@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de>

Subject: Re: Bug#477397: [nexuiz] default keys for "enter console" have no effect (tilde, backquote)

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:47:50 -0400

Le April 23, 2008 02:08:57 am Bruno Kleinert, vous avez écrit :
> Am Mittwoch, den 23.04.2008, 07:55 +0200 schrieb Bruno Kleinert:
> > that's wrong, pleas have a look at /usr/share/doc/nexuiz/FAQ.html, "How
> > do I open the console?". the default key combination to open the console
> > is documented there.
>
> d'oh, i forgot something: please tell me, if the documented keyboard
> shortcut to open the in-game console works on your system!

Ah. It does work. I feel a little bit blind, I never thought about looking at 
the FAQ. But Shift+Escape working doesn't change much. IMO people are more 
likely to change the key than to look at the FAQ. Of course, if you learn 
that Shift+Esc works by default, then you don't have to change the key each 
time you install Nexuiz.

Message #25 received at 477397@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Cc: 477397@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#477397: [nexuiz] default keys for "enter console" have no effect (tilde, backquote)

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:06:38 +0200

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Am Mittwoch, den 23.04.2008, 02:47 -0400 schrieb Filipus Klutiero:
> Ah. It does work. I feel a little bit blind, I never thought about looking at 
> the FAQ. But Shift+Escape working doesn't change much. IMO people are more 
> likely to change the key than to look at the FAQ. Of course, if you learn 
> that Shift+Esc works by default, then you don't have to change the key each 
> time you install Nexuiz.
i agree, that there are users, used to the key shortcuts of former
commercial games by id Software Inc.. but even id Software Inc. switched
to shift+esc since they were faced with the fact, that the prior chosen
key to open the in-game console wasn't available and/or consistent among
all available keyboard layouts.

so i'd say, having shift+esc as a reliable and, among any keyboard
layout, consistent default setting is the better choice. also keep in
mind, that someone, who never came in touch with a game based on one of
the older id Software Inc. engines, will not know the "old" key, but
will get confused when there are all possible keys for any keyboard
layout listed in the documentation.

for nexuiz it has always been shift+esc, which also applies to all
ioQuake3-engine based games, like OpenArena, Termulous and so on.

cheers - fuddl

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Message #30 received at 477397-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de>

To: 477397-done@bugs.debian.org

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:16:49 +0200

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i'll close this bug, because it wasn't really one, but a user didn't use
the software correctly.

(it's not a bug, it's really a feature this time! :) )

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Message #35 received at 477397@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de>

Cc: 477397@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#477397 closed by Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de> ()

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:28:21 -0400

Le April 23, 2008 04:16:49 pm Bruno Kleinert, vous avez écrit :
> i'll close this bug, because it wasn't really one, but a user didn't use
> the software correctly.
>
> (it's not a bug, it's really a feature this time! :) )

I disagree. I didn't know that id games used Shift+Esc nowadays, thanks for 
pointing that. Nevertheless, if Nexuiz supports Shift+Esc, that means it has 
3 default keys to enter console, and each one of the three should work. For 
backquote, I actually have no key that generates it directly - I have to 
press a key twice with my keyboard layout, so this is not necessarily a 
Nexuiz bug. But tilde clearly doesn't work. I think this is because my 
keyboard layout requires a key combination to generate a tilde. I'm unable to 
set any action to tilde, it just sets to "ALT" (since I need to press Alt+;). 
So, nexuiz should either support key combinations, or not use characters 
which can be generated by key combinations by default.

If you agree, please reopen this report.

Message #40 received at 477397@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Cc: 477397@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#477397 closed by Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de> ()

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:43:28 +0200

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Am Mittwoch, den 23.04.2008, 17:28 -0400 schrieb Filipus Klutiero:
> I disagree. I didn't know that id games used Shift+Esc nowadays, thanks for 
> pointing that. Nevertheless, if Nexuiz supports Shift+Esc, that means it has 
> 3 default keys to enter console, and each one of the three should work. For 
> backquote, I actually have no key that generates it directly - I have to 
> press a key twice with my keyboard layout, so this is not necessarily a 
> Nexuiz bug. But tilde clearly doesn't work. I think this is because my 
> keyboard layout requires a key combination to generate a tilde. I'm unable to 
> set any action to tilde, it just sets to "ALT" (since I need to press Alt+;). 
> So, nexuiz should either support key combinations, or not use characters 
> which can be generated by key combinations by default.
> 
> If you agree, please reopen this report.
sorry, i really see no strong reason to change anything about this
issue. shift+esc works on every keyboard layout without any differences
among different layouts and this keyboard shortcut can be found in the
documentation of nexuiz and also in README.Debian. if the undocumented
keys work for a limited range of users, those are for the lucky ones,
but these keys still are neither documented nor suggested to be used by
me, nor by upstream! and if a user doesn't like the shift+esc keys, it's
still possible to change them to personal preferences.

cheers - fuddl

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Message #47 received at 477397@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

To: Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de>

Cc: 477397@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#477397 closed by Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de> ()

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:55:09 -0400

Le April 24, 2008 06:43:28 am Bruno Kleinert, vous avez écrit :
> Am Mittwoch, den 23.04.2008, 17:28 -0400 schrieb Filipus Klutiero:
> > I disagree. I didn't know that id games used Shift+Esc nowadays, thanks
> > for pointing that. Nevertheless, if Nexuiz supports Shift+Esc, that means
> > it has 3 default keys to enter console, and each one of the three should
> > work. For backquote, I actually have no key that generates it directly -
> > I have to press a key twice with my keyboard layout, so this is not
> > necessarily a Nexuiz bug. But tilde clearly doesn't work. I think this is
> > because my keyboard layout requires a key combination to generate a
> > tilde. I'm unable to set any action to tilde, it just sets to "ALT"
> > (since I need to press Alt+;). So, nexuiz should either support key
> > combinations, or not use characters which can be generated by key
> > combinations by default.
> >
> > If you agree, please reopen this report.
>
> sorry, i really see no strong reason to change anything about this
> issue. shift+esc works on every keyboard layout without any differences
> among different layouts and this keyboard shortcut can be found in the
> documentation of nexuiz and also in README.Debian. if the undocumented
> keys work for a limited range of users, those are for the lucky ones,
> but these keys still are neither documented nor suggested to be used by
> me, nor by upstream!
Yes, but nexuiz itself (the program) suggests to use these. And since it 
doesn't suggest Shift+Esc, that's what people are most likely to try. 
Shift+Esc seems to be hardcoded, but AFAICS hardcoded keys 
aren't "documented" in nexuiz. Do you agree?

Message #52 received at 477397@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@gmail.com>

Cc: 477397@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#477397 closed by Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de> ()

Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 18:45:31 +0200

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Am Donnerstag, den 24.04.2008, 12:55 -0400 schrieb Filipus Klutiero:
> Yes, but nexuiz itself (the program) suggests to use these. And since it 
> doesn't suggest Shift+Esc, that's what people are most likely to try. 
> Shift+Esc seems to be hardcoded, but AFAICS hardcoded keys 
> aren't "documented" in nexuiz. Do you agree?
i'm sorry, i didn't get it, that you mean, that the (broken) keys still
appear in the settings dialog window of the game! yes, you are
absolutely right: that's too confusing to present the user something,
that's not known to work! i fully agree with you and will reopen this
bug!

i'm sorry, that it took me so long to understand the problem :/

cheers - fuddl

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Message #61 received at 477397-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bruno "Fuddl" Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de>

To: 477397-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#477397: fixed in nexuiz-data 2.4.2-1

Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:03:17 +0000

Source: nexuiz-data
Source-Version: 2.4.2-1

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
nexuiz-data, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

nexuiz-data_2.4.2-1.diff.gz
  to pool/main/n/nexuiz-data/nexuiz-data_2.4.2-1.diff.gz
nexuiz-data_2.4.2-1.dsc
  to pool/main/n/nexuiz-data/nexuiz-data_2.4.2-1.dsc
nexuiz-data_2.4.2-1_all.deb
  to pool/main/n/nexuiz-data/nexuiz-data_2.4.2-1_all.deb
nexuiz-data_2.4.2.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/main/n/nexuiz-data/nexuiz-data_2.4.2.orig.tar.gz
nexuiz-music_2.4.2-1_all.deb
  to pool/main/n/nexuiz-data/nexuiz-music_2.4.2-1_all.deb



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 477397@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Bruno "Fuddl" Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de> (supplier of updated nexuiz-data package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
administrators by mailing ftpmaster@debian.org)


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Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:23:24 +0200
Source: nexuiz-data
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Version: 2.4.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Games Team <pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Bruno "Fuddl" Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de>
Description: 
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Closes: 477397
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