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Subject: gnome-power-manager: idle detection stomps over active sessions
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:36:45 +0100
Package: gnome-power-manager
Version: 2.22.0-1
Severity: important
Hi,
the algorithms used by gnome-power-manager/gnome-screensaver to
determine if a system is idle do not detect at least two common
scenarios: remote ssh logins, and the computer playing music, with
nobody between chair and keyboard.
This means that, if gnome-power-manager is configured to suspend my
computer when it's idle, it cuts off active ssh sessions, and kills my
jukebox as well.
Nikolaus
-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
APT prefers unstable
APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.24-1-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=de_DE@euro, LC_CTYPE=de_DE@euro (charmap=ISO-8859-15)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Versions of packages gnome-power-manager depends on:
ii gconf2 2.22.0-1 GNOME configuration database syste
ii hal 0.5.11~rc2-1 Hardware Abstraction Layer
ii libart-2.0-2 2.3.20-1 Library of functions for 2D graphi
ii libatk1.0-0 1.22.0-1 The ATK accessibility toolkit
ii libbonobo2-0 2.22.0-1 Bonobo CORBA interfaces library
ii libbonoboui2-0 2.22.0-1 The Bonobo UI library
ii libc6 2.7-9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii libcairo2 1.4.14-1 The Cairo 2D vector graphics libra
ii libdbus-1-3 1.1.20-1 simple interprocess messaging syst
ii libdbus-glib-1-2 0.74-1 simple interprocess messaging syst
ii libfontconfig1 2.5.0-2 generic font configuration library
ii libfreetype6 2.3.5-1+b1 FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib
ii libgconf2-4 2.22.0-1 GNOME configuration database syste
ii libglade2-0 1:2.6.2-1 library to load .glade files at ru
ii libglib2.0-0 2.16.1-2 The GLib library of C routines
ii libgnome-keyring0 2.22.0-2 GNOME keyring services library
ii libgnome2-0 2.20.1.1-1 The GNOME 2 library - runtime file
ii libgnomecanvas2-0 2.20.1.1-1 A powerful object-oriented display
ii libgnomeui-0 2.20.1.1-1 The GNOME 2 libraries (User Interf
ii libgnomevfs2-0 1:2.22.0-2 GNOME Virtual File System (runtime
ii libgstreamer0.10-0 0.10.18-4 Core GStreamer libraries and eleme
ii libgtk2.0-0 2.12.9-2 The GTK+ graphical user interface
ii libhal1 0.5.11~rc2-1 Hardware Abstraction Layer - share
ii libice6 2:1.0.4-1 X11 Inter-Client Exchange library
ii libnotify1 [libnotify1 0.4.4-3 sends desktop notifications to a n
ii liborbit2 1:2.14.12-0.1 libraries for ORBit2 - a CORBA ORB
ii libpanel-applet2-0 2.20.3-3 library for GNOME Panel applets
ii libpango1.0-0 1.20.0-1 Layout and rendering of internatio
ii libpng12-0 1.2.15~beta5-3 PNG library - runtime
ii libpopt0 1.10-3 lib for parsing cmdline parameters
ii libsm6 2:1.0.3-1+b1 X11 Session Management library
ii libwnck22 2.22.0-1 Window Navigator Construction Kit
ii libx11-6 2:1.0.3-7 X11 client-side library
ii libxcursor1 1:1.1.9-1 X cursor management library
ii libxext6 2:1.0.4-1 X11 miscellaneous extension librar
ii libxfixes3 1:4.0.3-2 X11 miscellaneous 'fixes' extensio
ii libxi6 2:1.1.3-1 X11 Input extension library
ii libxinerama1 2:1.0.3-1 X11 Xinerama extension library
ii libxml2 2.6.31.dfsg-2 GNOME XML library
ii libxrandr2 2:1.2.2-1 X11 RandR extension library
ii libxrender1 1:0.9.4-1 X Rendering Extension client libra
ii notification-daemon 0.3.7-1+b1 a daemon that displays passive pop
ii zlib1g 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-11 compression library - runtime
gnome-power-manager recommends no packages.
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On Sat, 2008-03-29 at 22:36 +0100, Nikolaus Schulz wrote:
> the algorithms used by gnome-power-manager/gnome-screensaver to
> determine if a system is idle do not detect at least two common
> scenarios: remote ssh logins, and the computer playing music, with
> nobody between chair and keyboard.
>
> This means that, if gnome-power-manager is configured to suspend my
> computer when it's idle, it cuts off active ssh sessions, and kills my
> jukebox as well.
Hi,
At the moment, the multi user scenario doesn't work very well in
gnome-power-manager. Not for two users locally sharing the desktop, and
not for remote logins.
See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348218 and
http://live.gnome.org/BetterPowerManager
Music playback should be handled better by g-p-m, Rhythmbox for example
inhibits g-p-m from suspending. I guess your music player lacks this
functionality. You could use the Inhibit Applet to work around this.
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Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
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Subject: Re: Bug#473308: gnome-power-manager: idle detection stomps over
active sessions
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:06:22 +0200
Hi Sven,
thanks for your reply.
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 07:15:48PM +0200, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-03-29 at 22:36 +0100, Nikolaus Schulz wrote:
> > the algorithms used by gnome-power-manager/gnome-screensaver to
> > determine if a system is idle do not detect at least two common
> > scenarios: remote ssh logins, and the computer playing music, with
> > nobody between chair and keyboard.
> >
> > This means that, if gnome-power-manager is configured to suspend my
> > computer when it's idle, it cuts off active ssh sessions, and kills my
> > jukebox as well.
>
> Hi,
>
> At the moment, the multi user scenario doesn't work very well in
> gnome-power-manager. Not for two users locally sharing the desktop, and
> not for remote logins.
>
> See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348218 and
> http://live.gnome.org/BetterPowerManager
I am aware of the upstream bug, and to be honest, I've seen the
BetterPowerManager page, too, but forgot about it.
My impression was, that most people were talking about the
fast-user-switching scenario; which may be more common, but doesn't
cover the situation with no one 'physically' using the machine. And
especially the g-p-m developer saying "Until [we have policykit] there
is no way we can have temp session authority over one monitor" made me
worry that PolicyKit might address the typical desktop use case only,
ignoring old school ssh logins. :-) To my relief, the wiki indeed
suggests this will be properly solved.
Now, this wiki reads like it is still discussed how to approach these
problems, while I hear that Gnome 2.22 started 'integrating' PolicyKit,
whatever that means. What's the current state of affairs with the
general multi user scenario? Any pointer how to track the progress
here?
> Music playback should be handled better by g-p-m, Rhythmbox for example
> inhibits g-p-m from suspending. I guess your music player lacks this
> functionality.
Interesting. I generally use audacious (since xmms has died, somewhat
:-).
> You could use the Inhibit Applet to work around this.
Ah, that's much better than manually killing g-p-m entirely. :-)
Doesn't seem to be in Etch, though.
Nikolaus
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On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 04:06 +0200, Nikolaus Schulz wrote:
> Now, this wiki reads like it is still discussed how to approach these
> problems, while I hear that Gnome 2.22 started 'integrating' PolicyKit,
> whatever that means. What's the current state of affairs with the
> general multi user scenario? Any pointer how to track the progress
> here?
Hi,
I'm not really sure actually, but you could probably ask for a status
update on the gnome-power-manager mailing list.
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-power-manager-list
> Ah, that's much better than manually killing g-p-m entirely. :-)
> Doesn't seem to be in Etch, though.
AFAIK, all it takes (and all the inhibit applet does) is a simple dbus
call to inhibit/uninhibit g-p-m, so it would probably not be hard to
write a script to do this, or even backport the applet.
--
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
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