Debian Bug report logs - #473128
ITP: openal-soft -- linux-port of the windows implementation of the cross-platform 3D-audio library OpenAL

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Bruno Kleinert <fuddl@tauware.de>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: ITP: openal-soft -- linux-port of the windows implementation of the cross-platform 3D-audio library OpenAL

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:05:17 +0100

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   Package name: openal-soft
        Version: 1.3.253
Upstream Author: 
            URL: http://kcat.strangesoft.net/openal.html
        License: GPL
    Description: A portable library for 3D spatialized audio

OpenAL Soft is a cross-platform software implementation of the OpenAL
3D audio API. It's built off of the open-sourced Windows version
available originally from the SVN repository at openal.org. OpenAL
provides capabilities for playing audio in a virtual 3d environment.
Distance attenuation, doppler shift, and directional sound emitters are
among the features handled by the API. More advanced effects, including
air absorption, low-pass filters, and reverb, are available through the
EFX extension. It also facilitates streaming audio, multi-channel
buffers, and audio capture.

This library is meant as a compatible update/replacement to the OpenAL
Sample Implementation (the SI). The SI has been unmaintained for quite
a while, and would require a lot of work to clean up.

OpenAL Soft supports mono, stereo, 4-channel, 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1 output,
as opposed to the SI's 4-channel max (though it did have some
provisions for 6 channel, this was not 5.1, and was seemingly a "late"
addition). OpenAL Soft does not support the Vorbis and MP3 extensions,
however those were considered deprecated even in the SI. It does,
though, support some of the newer extensions like AL_EXT_FLOAT32 and
AL_EXT_MCFORMATS for multi-channel and floating-point formats, as well
as ALC_EXT_EFX for environmental audio effects, and others.

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Message #12 received at 473128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

To: 473128@bugs.debian.org

Cc: debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org

Subject: ITP: openal-soft -- linux-port of the windows implementation of the cross-platform 3D-audio library OpenAL

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:03:25 -0400

I hope you don't mind, but I did some work on this package as well. Here's 
what I've done so far.

  [Andres Mejia]
  * Make the build output verbose.
  * Allow options passed to cmake to be overridable using DEB_CMAKE_OPTIONS.
  * Support nostrip option.
  * Build "Release" type libraries by default.
  * Support building of static libraries.
  * Added myself in Uploaders field.
  * Set libopenal-dev to depend on binary version.
  * Added new todo. Also renamed TODO to TODO.Debian.
  * Added README.Debian.

The changes have been committed to SVN of course. I have some questions. Isn't 
there going to be a problem with having a binary package (libopenal-dev) in 
two source packages? Wouldn't it be better if this package replaced the old 
openal package?

-- 
Regards,
Andres

Message #17 received at 473128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

To: 473128@bugs.debian.org, debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org

Subject: ITP: openal-soft -- linux-port of the windows implementation of the cross-platform 3D-audio library OpenAL

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:29:41 -0400

I did some testing with the new OpenAL libraries with ogreal. ogreal performs 
better on the new libraries then they do with the other ones. When I 
say "perform better", I mean all the ogreal demos actually run (as opposed to 
some of them segfaulting).

I think "openal-soft" should instead be named "openal" and thus be the new 
version of openal. Maybe we could upload a package to experimental first to 
start testing it.

Could anyone provide a list of the reverse dependencies for openal? I would 
like to test a few more packages with the new openal libraries.

-- 
Regards,
Andres

Message #20 received at 473128-submitter@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

To: 473128@bugs.debian.org, 473128-submitter@bugs.debian.org, debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org

Subject: Replace OpenAL with OpenAL Soft

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:52:14 -0400

I've tested warsow, glest, and supertuxkart with the new openal soft libraries 
and they all build and run on the new libraries without any problems. I 
really think that OpenAL Soft should be packaged as just "openal". We should 
upload a package to experimental first and do some more testing.

Any thoughts?

Also, could any DD run the following command on merkel and post the output to 
the mailing list?
    `dak rm -Rn openal`

-- 
Regards,
Andres

Message #30 received at 473128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Reinhard Tartler <siretart@tauware.de>

To: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

Cc: 473128@bugs.debian.org, debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: ITP: openal-soft -- linux-port of the windows implementation of the cross-platform 3D-audio library OpenAL

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:41:08 +0200

Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com> writes:

> Could anyone provide a list of the reverse dependencies for openal? I would 
> like to test a few more packages with the new openal libraries.

>> grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends,Build-Depends-Indep \
	-s Package libopenal-dev -n /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources
funguloids
glest
tremulous
warsow
antigrav
boson
btanks
chromium
crystalspace
fgfs-atlas
flightgear
freealut
haskell-openal
hugs98
mplayer
nel
openarena
osgal
pyopenal
rss-glx
scorched3d
simgear
soya
supertuxkart
taoframework
torcs
trigger
vegastrike
warzone2100
xpilot-ng


-- 
Gruesse/greetings,
Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4

Message #35 received at 473128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

To: debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org, 473128@bugs.debian.org, 473128-submitter@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Testing packages with openal-soft

Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:38:49 -0400

Hello,

I hate to be an annoyance with these "openal-soft" emails, but here's yet 
another one.

I've done my own tests of packages using the openal-soft library. Here's my 
results so far.

First off, here's what I think is a better list of at least the source 
packages that use openal.

>> grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends,Build-Depends-Indep \
	-s Package libopenal-dev -n /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources
funguloids
glest
tremulous
warsow
antigrav
boson
btanks
chromium
crystalspace
fgfs-atlas
flightgear
freealut
haskell-openal
hugs98
mplayer
nel
openarena
osgal
pyopenal
rss-glx
scorched3d
simgear
soya
supertuxkart
taoframework
torcs
trigger
vegastrike
warzone2100
xpilot-ng


For me (on i386), all these packages built and ran without a problem using the 
openal-soft library.

glest
supertuxkart
antigravitaattori (source: antigrav)
scorched3d
xpilot-ng-client-sdl (source: xpilot-ng)
xpilot-ng-client-x11 (source: xpilot-ng)
flightgear (and dependency simgear)
vegastrike
warzone2100
trigger
openarena
btanks
supertux (experimental packages)
tremulous
torcs
mplayer
ogreal (only in games team svn)
warsow

Here are the packages that build but are giving me problems while running.

funguloids (crashes, though problem might be with ogre library)
boson (I've tried numerous settings, but I receive no sound)

Here's a package that required me to make a change for building, otherwise, it 
ran fine.

chromium (disable use of alc[GS]etAudioChannel extensions)

Here's a package I built, but had no way to test directly

freealut

And here are the rest of the packages which I didn't test, most of them 
however are libraries or bindings of some sort.

crystalspace
fgfs-atlas
haskell-openal
hugs98
nel
osgal
pyopenal
rss-glx
soya
taoframework

There it is. I really think the openal-soft library should be the new "openal" 
library. I don't know if these could be release with Lenny however.

One more thing, I left the fix for chromium in a branch in the svn repo.
http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-games/packages/branches/chromium/chromium-openal-soft/?rev=0&sc=0

-- 
Regards,
Andres

Message #45 received at 473128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

To: 473128@bugs.debian.org

Subject: OpenAL-SI Deprecated

Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 23:19:07 -0400

Thought I should mention this. The openal upstream are well aware of the 
OpenAL Soft library. In fact, the openal upstream have virtually considered 
the SI (i.e. openal-0.0.8) deprecated and recommend the OpenAL Soft library 
in favor of the SI. Here are some links.
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal-devel/2007-December/004977.html
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal/2008-February/010981.html
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal/2008-March/011019.html
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal/2008-April/011073.html

Here's is the package at mentors.debian.net, for anyone who wants to try it 
out.
- dget 
http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/o/openal-soft/openal-soft_1.3.253-1~experimental0.dsc

-- 
Regards,
Andres

Message #50 received at 473128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

To: crystalspace@packages.qa.debian.org, fgfs-atlas@packages.qa.debian.org, haskell-openal@packages.qa.debian.org, hugs98@packages.qa.debian.org, nel@packages.qa.debian.org, osgal@packages.qa.debian.org, pyopenal@packages.qa.debian.org, rss-glx@packages.qa.debian.org, soya@packages.qa.debian.org, taoframework@packages.qa.debian.org

Cc: debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org, 473128@bugs.debian.org

Subject: OpenAL Soft to become the Default OpenAL Library

Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 00:00:36 -0400

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Hello,

There is a new library for the OpenAL API which is called OpenAL Soft. This 
new library is OpenAL 1.1 compliant, and is considered the replacement for 
the deprecated OpenAL SI (openal-0.0.8). Below are some links with the 
discussions from upstream about this.
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal-devel/2007-December/004977.html
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal/2008-February/010981.html
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal/2008-March/011019.html
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal/2008-April/011073.html
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal-devel/2008-May/005176.html

I am writing to you all because I want your help in testing packages that 
build and/or run using the new library. The goal of the Debian Games Team is 
to include the OpenAL Soft library in unstable, in time for release with 
Lenny. I have already packaged openal-soft for inclusion in experimental. You 
can download them from mentors.debian.net.
- dget 
http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/o/openal-soft/openal-soft_1.3.253-1~experimental0.dsc

I have done some tests of my own. Almost every package I tested worked with 
the openal-soft packages without the need to make any changes. The packages 
that did need a change were funguloids and chromium. boson is the only 
package I know of that needs a fix (no sound with openal-soft) although none 
has been found so far.

The list of packages that I tested which build and ran fine with no changes 
are:
glest
supertuxkart
antigravitaattori (source: antigrav)
scorched3d
xpilot-ng-client-sdl (source: xpilot-ng)
xpilot-ng-client-x11 (source: xpilot-ng)
flightgear (and dependency simgear)
simgear
vegastrike (version in unstable)
warzone2100
trigger
openarena
btanks
supertux (version in experimental)
tremulous
torcs
mplayer
ogreal (only in Debian games team svn)
warsow

If you test the openal-soft packages, please leave any feedback at 
473128@bugs.debian.org and/or debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org.

-- 
Regards,
Andres

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Message #55 received at 473128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

To: boson-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, b_mann@gmx.de

Cc: 473128@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Boson with OpenAL Soft

Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 02:04:12 -0400

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Hello,

There is a new library for the OpenAL API which is called OpenAL Soft. This 
new library is OpenAL 1.1 compliant, and is considered the replacement for 
the deprecated OpenAL SI (openal-0.0.8). Below are some links with the 
discussions from upstream about this.
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal-devel/2007-December/004977.html
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal/2008-February/010981.html
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal/2008-March/011019.html
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal/2008-April/011073.html
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal-devel/2008-May/005176.html

I am packaging openal-soft packages for Debian and want to include them for 
Lenny. The only unresolved problem (that's known) with the new library is 
that it causes boson not to produce any sound. I've attached a log of errors 
I receive.

Here's what the upstream maintainer of openal-soft had to say.
> Hmm, it's kind of hard to tell without seeing the OpenAL calls. But if I
> had to guess, I think perhaps it's trying to buffer Vorbis data directly.
> Unfortunately, this won't work because OpenAL Soft doesn't support the
> AL_EXT_vorbis extension. If it's indeed trying to load the Vorbis data
> directly, it will need to be modified so it can decode it manually (using
> libvorbisfile or some-such) before buffering it as PCM data.

I plan on looking into this problem. If you want to help as well, it will be 
greatly appreciated.

Also, here are links to the Debian bug about openal-soft, the upstream 
homepage for OpenAL Soft, and the location to get the Debian source package 
for openal-soft if you wish to build them yourself.
http://bugs.debian.org/473128
http://kcat.strangesoft.net/openal.html
- dget 
http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/o/openal-soft/openal-soft_1.3.253-1~experimental0.dsc

-- 
Regards,
Andres

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Message #60 received at 473128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

To: 473128@bugs.debian.org

Subject: New openal-soft packages uploaded to mentors.d.n

Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:10:57 -0400

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I've reuploaded the openal-soft packages. These would add a debug package, and 
would also go directly to sid.
- dget 
http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/o/openal-soft/openal-soft_1.3.253-1.dsc

-- 
Regards,
Andres

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Message #63 received at 473128-submitter@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

To: 473128-submitter@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Fwd: Re: Boson with OpenAL Soft

Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:14:59 -0400

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Just forwarding the message I received from boson upstream about the new 
openal-soft packages.

----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: Re: Boson with OpenAL Soft
Date: Friday 16 May 2008
From: Andreas Beckermann <b_mann@gmx.de>
To: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

Hi

On Friday 09 May 2008, Andres Mejia wrote:
> > Hmm, it's kind of hard to tell without seeing the OpenAL calls. But if I
> > had to guess, I think perhaps it's trying to buffer Vorbis data directly.
> > Unfortunately, this won't work because OpenAL Soft doesn't support the
> > AL_EXT_vorbis extension. If it's indeed trying to load the Vorbis data
> > directly, it will need to be modified so it can decode it manually (using
> > libvorbisfile or some-such) before buffering it as PCM data.

Yep, this is most likely the reason for the problem: we use .ogg files 
extensively and use OpenAL to load them.

btw: I think it really sucks that OpenAL Soft doesn't support that. OpenAL 
itself has really, really bad support for it anyway (even including the 
extension), which makes it very hard for smaller games to use OpenAL, at 
least for me: I have pretty much exactly no experience in sound programming 
and I really don't feel like browsing through dozens of (different!) APIs for 
different file formats and so on.

Anyway, sound support in boson is currently in a very bad state anyway and I 
am not going to work on it anytime soon.
I'd definitely be interested in a fix, if you can provide one, otherwise I'd 
suggest to simply disable sound (i.e. make --nosound the default).
Of course, this is a somewhat evil hack, but may be preferred to rewriting 
large parts of the sound handling.

CU
Andi

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-- 
Regards,
Andres

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Message #66 received at 473128-submitter@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

To: 473128-submitter@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Fwd: Re: OpenAL Soft to become the Default OpenAL Library

Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:24:24 -0400

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Forwarding another message, this one explains results of the testing I did 
with openal-soft.

----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: Re: OpenAL Soft to become the Default OpenAL Library
Date: Friday 16 May 2008
From: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>
To: debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org

On Friday 16 May 2008 3:26:41 am Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> 2008/5/9 Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>:
> > I am writing to you all because I want your help in testing packages that
> > build and/or run using the new library. The goal of the Debian Games Team
> > is to include the OpenAL Soft library in unstable, in time for release
> > with Lenny. I have already packaged openal-soft for inclusion in
> > experimental. You can download them from mentors.debian.net.
> > - dget
> > http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/o/openal-soft/openal-soft_1.3.
> >253-1~experimental0.dsc
>
> Why experimental? Can't it be directly uploaded to sid? Does it
> replace openal package or we will have both coexisting during a time?

Well, at the time there were three games I tested that did not work well with 
the new library. They were chromium, funguloids, and boson. Two were crashing 
yet fixes were found for them. Paul fixed up chromium and I fixed funguloids. 
Both patches were sent upstream. That only leaves boson, which only has the 
problem of not producing any sound, so you can still play the game.

I suppose an upload directly to sid should be done, as the new library does 
fix the horrible sound output that the old library was causing. It was 
producing bad static noise on a lot of machines, especially machines using 
non Creative Labs sound cards. This included my laptop.

I'll change the package to get it ready to upload to sid.

> Do you already have a sponsor for it or do you need one?

No, I still need one. I'll fix the openal-soft package to go to sid first.

> > The list of packages that I tested which build and ran fine with no
> > changes are:
> > glest
> > supertuxkart
> > antigravitaattori (source: antigrav)
> > scorched3d
> > xpilot-ng-client-sdl (source: xpilot-ng)
> > xpilot-ng-client-x11 (source: xpilot-ng)
> > flightgear (and dependency simgear)
> > simgear
> > vegastrike (version in unstable)
> > warzone2100
> > trigger
> > openarena
> > btanks
> > supertux (version in experimental)
> > tremulous
> > torcs
> > mplayer
> > ogreal (only in Debian games team svn)
> > warsow
>
> There are quite a few of them, as soon as the newer library is in the
> repository we shall work on that if we want to reach Lenny. For what I
> understand, the build dependencies will have to be changed, don't
> they?
>
> Miry

Nothing has to be changed. Everything should build and run as it should with 
the old library and without making any modifications. The above packages did 
not need any changes. chromium needed a change to get it to build, funguloids 
needed a change to get it to run. That only leaves boson which needs a change 
to get the sound to work.

-- 
Regards,
Andres

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-- 
Regards,
Andres

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Message #75 received at 473128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andres Mejia <mcitadel@gmail.com>

To: 473128@bugs.debian.org

Subject: New version of OpenAL Soft (version 1.4.272)

Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:35:23 -0700

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There's a new version of OpenAL Soft out (version 1.4.272). I'll get packages 
ready soon in a seperate branch. Don't plan to upload until 1.3.253 gets 
uploaded first. I also don't plan to upload to unstable until 1.3.253 enters 
testing.

Also, there's some important information about Creative's OpenAL website. 
Should be included in a README.
http://opensource.creative.com/pipermail/openal-devel/2008-June/005202.html

-- 
Regards,
Andres

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Message #82 received at 473128-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Reinhard Tartler <siretart@tauware.de>

To: 473128-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#473128: fixed in openal-soft 1:1.3.253-4

Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:38:16 +0000

Source: openal-soft
Source-Version: 1:1.3.253-4

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
openal-soft, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

libopenal1-dbg_1.3.253-4_i386.deb
  to pool/main/o/openal-soft/libopenal1-dbg_1.3.253-4_i386.deb
libopenal1_1.3.253-4_i386.deb
  to pool/main/o/openal-soft/libopenal1_1.3.253-4_i386.deb
openal-soft_1.3.253-4.diff.gz
  to pool/main/o/openal-soft/openal-soft_1.3.253-4.diff.gz
openal-soft_1.3.253-4.dsc
  to pool/main/o/openal-soft/openal-soft_1.3.253-4.dsc
openal-soft_1.3.253.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/main/o/openal-soft/openal-soft_1.3.253.orig.tar.gz



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 473128@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

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Format: 1.8
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:31:47 +0200
Source: openal-soft
Binary: libopenal1 libopenal1-dbg
Architecture: source i386
Version: 1:1.3.253-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Games Team <pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Reinhard Tartler <siretart@tauware.de>
Description: 
 libopenal1 - Software implementation of the OpenAL API (libraries)
 libopenal1-dbg - Software implementation of the OpenAL API (debugging symbols)
Closes: 473128
Changes: 
 openal-soft (1:1.3.253-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * fix debian/copyright. Package is LGPL not GPL.
 .
 openal-soft (1:1.3.253-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * upload to unstable as discussed with the debian release team. See
     http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2008/06/msg00163.html for details.
 .
 openal-soft (1:1.3.253-2) experimental; urgency=low
 .
   [ Andres Mejia ]
   * Fix typo in copyright file.
   * Update Cyril's email address.
 .
 openal-soft (1:1.3.253-1) experimental; urgency=low
 .
   [Bruno Kleinert]
   * Initial release (Closes: #473128)
 .
   [Andres Mejia]
   * Make the build output verbose.
   * Allow options passed to cmake to be overridable using DEB_CMAKE_OPTIONS.
   * Support nostrip option.
   * Build "Release" type libraries by default.
   * Support building of static libraries.
   * Added myself in Uploaders field.
   * Set libopenal-dev to depend on binary version.
   * Added new todo. Also renamed TODO to TODO.Debian.
   * Added README.Debian.
   * Including pkgconfig file.
   * Generate shlibs file with exact version information as well.
   * Add openal-config script.
   * Added 'DM-Upload-Allowed: yes' field.
   * Added uploaders from old openal package.
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