Debian Bug report logs - #460691
network-admin incompatible with network-manager

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: network-admin incompatible with network-manager

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:41:00 +0100

Package: gnome-system-tools
Version: 2.14.0-3
Severity: important

This report is based on my experience as desktop user in etch.  It might
no longer apply, although I doubt anything has changed in this area.

AFAICT, the purpose of network-admin is fundamentally incompatible with
network-manager.  network-admin is used by the user to manually configure
static networks, whereas network-manager is delegated by the user the
overall responsability of network setup.

When both are installed and running, user gets the impression that she can
configure a static network using network-admin, only to realize that her
network magically disappears after a few minutes without any obvious
explanation.

Please, can you add a Conflicts: network-manager to prevent these situations?

Preferably after splitting network-admin in a separate binary package, so
that this doesn't make it impossible to use the rest of gnome-system-tools
in combination with network-manager.

-- System Information:
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  APT prefers stable
  APT policy: (500, 'stable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-5-amd64
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Message #8 received at 460691@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>

To: 460691@bugs.debian.org

Subject: ping

Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:44:43 +0200

Any news about this one?  If you want, I can send a patch for the suggested
package split + conflicts.

-- 
Robert Millan

<GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call!
<DRM> What use is a phone call… if you are unable to speak?
(as seen on /.)

Message #13 received at 460691@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Loïc Minier <lool@dooz.org>

To: Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>, 460691@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#460691: ping

Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:01:17 +0200

On Sun, Apr 06, 2008, Robert Millan wrote:
> 
> Any news about this one?  If you want, I can send a patch for the suggested
> package split + conflicts.

 I think you can let NM handle e.g. your wifi and Debian scripts the
 other interfaces (e.g. virtual machines), so you could actually find
 some use to having the two; yes, it would be hairy and NM would break
 your network from time to time, but wifi isn't always up.  For example
 I used to have NM configure my wired network automatically when I
 plugged it in (ala ifplugd) and used Debian ifup/ifdown with
 /etc/network/interfaces for wifi.

 I think a conflict is too strong, but I wouldn't mind splitting
 network-admin in a separate package pulled only by recommends to allow
 saving space on desktop installs where NM is also pulled.

 Yes, a patch is welcome.

   Thanks,
-- 
Loïc Minier

Message #16 received at 460691@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>

To: Loïc Minier <lool@dooz.org>

Cc: 460691@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#460691: ping

Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:24:34 +0200

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tags 460691 patch
thanks

On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 06:01:17PM +0200, Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 06, 2008, Robert Millan wrote:
> > 
> > Any news about this one?  If you want, I can send a patch for the suggested
> > package split + conflicts.
> 
>  I think you can let NM handle e.g. your wifi and Debian scripts the
>  other interfaces (e.g. virtual machines), so you could actually find
>  some use to having the two; yes, it would be hairy and NM would break
>  your network from time to time, but wifi isn't always up.  For example
>  I used to have NM configure my wired network automatically when I
>  plugged it in (ala ifplugd) and used Debian ifup/ifdown with
>  /etc/network/interfaces for wifi.
> 
>  I think a conflict is too strong, but I wouldn't mind splitting
>  network-admin in a separate package pulled only by recommends to allow
>  saving space on desktop installs where NM is also pulled.
> 
>  Yes, a patch is welcome.

Well, this took me a while longer than I thought.  Here's a patch.

The debian/debhelper.mk hack is meant to be temporary, of course.  I filed
a bug on cdbs requesting addition of dh_movefiles call already.

-- 
Robert Millan

<GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call!
<DRM> What use is a phone call… if you are unable to speak?
(as seen on /.)

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Message #25 received at 460691-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Loic Minier <lool@dooz.org>

To: 460691-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#460691: fixed in gnome-system-tools 2.20.0-3

Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:20:34 +0000

Source: gnome-system-tools
Source-Version: 2.20.0-3

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
gnome-system-tools, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

gnome-network-admin_2.20.0-3_i386.deb
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/gnome-network-admin_2.20.0-3_i386.deb
gnome-system-tools_2.20.0-3.diff.gz
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools_2.20.0-3.diff.gz
gnome-system-tools_2.20.0-3.dsc
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools_2.20.0-3.dsc
gnome-system-tools_2.20.0-3_i386.deb
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools_2.20.0-3_i386.deb



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 460691@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
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Loic Minier <lool@dooz.org> (supplier of updated gnome-system-tools package)

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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:20:56 +0200
Source: gnome-system-tools
Binary: gnome-system-tools gnome-network-admin
Architecture: source i386
Version: 2.20.0-3
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org>
Changed-By: Loic Minier <lool@dooz.org>
Description: 
 gnome-network-admin - GNOME Network Administration Tool
 gnome-system-tools - Cross-platform configuration utilities for GNOME
Closes: 460691
Changes: 
 gnome-system-tools (2.20.0-3) experimental; urgency=low
 .
   * Add a new gnome-network-admin package for network-admin; based on a patch
     by Robert Millan; closes: #460691.
     - Target at experimental for NEW.
     - gnome-network-admin depends on gnome-system-tools for translations.
     - gnome-network-admin replaces gnome-system-tools (<< 2.20.0-3) as it now
       ships the help manual, menu files etc.
     - Add per package debian/*.install and debian/*.menu files; drop
       debian/install and debian/menu.
     - Add a new entry in the control file.
   * Fix menu entries to use Applications/System/Administration instead of
     Apps/System.
   * Add a XPM for shares-admin.
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Message #30 received at 460691@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jurij Smakov <jurij@wooyd.org>

To: 460691@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Reopening, network-admin in lenny still has multiple issues

Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:52:00 +0100

reopen 460691
reassign 460691 gnome-network-admin
severity 460691 serious
found 460691 2.22.0-3
tags 460691 lenny
thanks

Hi,

I've just had a rather negative experience with gnome-network-admin in
a freshly installed lenny system. It *still* does not support WPA, making
it useless for many installations out there. It liberally overwrites the
contents of /etc/network/interfaces, and at least on one occasion blew
away a working configuration I had there (hence severity "serious"). There
is no good reason to keep a buggy, obsolete, but highly visible (can be
launched from "System" menu) package, when Network Manager is already
installed, and much more functional (worked pretty much out of the box).
I would really like to see network-admin removed in the next lenny point
release, unless these problems are not fixed.

Best regards,
-- 
Jurij Smakov                                           jurij@wooyd.org
Key: http://www.wooyd.org/pgpkey/                      KeyID: C99E03CC

Message #45 received at 460691@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org>

To: Jurij Smakov <jurij@wooyd.org>, 460691@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#460691: Reopening, network-admin in lenny still has multiple issues

Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:22:04 +0200

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Le samedi 09 mai 2009 à 18:52 +0100, Jurij Smakov a écrit :
> I've just had a rather negative experience with gnome-network-admin in
> a freshly installed lenny system. It *still* does not support WPA, making
> it useless for many installations out there. It liberally overwrites the
> contents of /etc/network/interfaces, and at least on one occasion blew
> away a working configuration I had there (hence severity "serious"). There
> is no good reason to keep a buggy, obsolete, but highly visible (can be
> launched from "System" menu) package, when Network Manager is already
> installed, and much more functional (worked pretty much out of the box).
> I would really like to see network-admin removed in the next lenny point
> release, unless these problems are not fixed.

It’s true that network-admin and network-manager don’t always play well
together, but NM is unsuitable to configure static connections. Unless
you can propose a working implementation of netconf, I have no miracle
solution that can work with all setups.

If the chosen solution is to remove the functionality, we should just
drop the “connections” tab, the others are still useful.

Cheers,
-- 
 .''`.      Josselin Mouette
: :' :
`. `'   “I recommend you to learn English in hope that you in
  `-     future understand things”  -- Jörg Schilling

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Message #50 received at 460691-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org>

To: 460691-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#460691: fixed in gnome-system-tools 2.22.1-5

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:17:13 +0000

Source: gnome-system-tools
Source-Version: 2.22.1-5

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
gnome-system-tools, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

gnome-network-admin_2.22.1-5_amd64.deb
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/gnome-network-admin_2.22.1-5_amd64.deb
gnome-system-tools_2.22.1-5.diff.gz
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools_2.22.1-5.diff.gz
gnome-system-tools_2.22.1-5.dsc
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools_2.22.1-5.dsc
gnome-system-tools_2.22.1-5_amd64.deb
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools_2.22.1-5_amd64.deb



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 460691@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org> (supplier of updated gnome-system-tools package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:43:21 +0200
Source: gnome-system-tools
Binary: gnome-system-tools gnome-network-admin
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 2.22.1-5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org>
Changed-By: Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org>
Description: 
 gnome-network-admin - GNOME Network Administration Tool
 gnome-system-tools - Cross-platform configuration utilities for GNOME
Closes: 460691 488249 488252
Changes: 
 gnome-system-tools (2.22.1-5) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Revert 2.22.1-4 change with a brown paper bag, it’s useless since
     policykit depends on consolekit.
   * 26_users_home_dir.patch: patch from Ubuntu to allow changing root
     propertiew without making /home/root the new home directory.
     Closes: #488252.
   * gnome-network-admin conflicts with network-manager-gnome.
     Closes: #460691.
   * 85_users_fix_add_group.patch: patch from Ubuntu to always allow to
     create groups. Closes: #488249.
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Message #55 received at 460691@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Daniele Di Proietto <mobilerpat@gmail.com>

To: 460691@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug #460691

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:03:33 +0200

Hi,

I'm a debian user with not much experience.
I'm using debian testing (squeeze) with gnome.

Since gnome depends on gnome-system-tools, and gnome-system-tools 
depends on gnome-network-admin, if i try to install 
network-manager-gnome aptitude tiies to remove gnome.

I need network-manager because i'm using a VPN connection, but i can't 
install it.

Am I wrog, or is there a problem with the new version of gnome network 
admin(2.22.1-5) in debian?

Message #60 received at 460691@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Frederic MASSOT <frederic@juliana-multimedia.com>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <460691@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: gnome-network-admin remove network-manager-gnome

Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:58:41 +0200

Package: gnome-network-admin
Severity: normal


Hi,

The latest updates of Squezze removes the package network-manager-gnome (0.7.1-1) to update the package gnome-network-admin (2.22.1-4 -> 2.22.1-5).

I use NM to DHCP or Wifi, NM is very complete.

I prefer to keep NM, if I try to remove gnome-network-admin, it eliminates a useful packages.

Both packages can not they coexist?

Regards.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: squeeze/sid
  APT prefers oldstable
  APT policy: (500, 'oldstable'), (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.30 (SMP w/2 CPU cores; PREEMPT)
Locale: LANG=fr_FR@euro, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR@euro (charmap=ISO-8859-15)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Versions of packages gnome-network-admin depends on:
ii  gnome-system-tools     2.22.1-4          Cross-platform configuration utili
ii  libatk1.0-0            1.26.0-1          The ATK accessibility toolkit
ii  libc6                  2.9-12            GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii  libcairo2              1.8.6-2+b1        The Cairo 2D vector graphics libra
ii  libdbus-1-3            1.2.12-1          simple interprocess messaging syst
ii  libdbus-glib-1-2       0.80-4            simple interprocess messaging syst
ii  libfontconfig1         2.6.0-3           generic font configuration library
ii  libfreetype6           2.3.9-4.1         FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib
ii  libgconf2-4            2.26.2-1          GNOME configuration database syste
ii  libglib2.0-0           2.20.1-2          The GLib library of C routines
ii  libgtk2.0-0            2.16.1-2          The GTK+ graphical user interface 
ii  libiw29                29-1.1            Wireless tools - library
ii  liboobs-1-4            2.22.0-2          GObject based interface to system-
ii  libpango1.0-0          1.24.0-3+b1       Layout and rendering of internatio
ii  libpolkit-dbus2        0.9-3             library for accessing PolicyKit vi
ii  libpolkit2             0.9-3             library for accessing PolicyKit
ii  zlib1g                 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-13 compression library - runtime

gnome-network-admin recommends no packages.

gnome-network-admin suggests no packages.

-- no debconf information

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