Debian Bug report logs - #423503
ITP: ttf-liberation -- A set of free (GPL) fonts from Red Hat Inc.

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Alan Baghumian <alan@technotux.org>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: ITP: ttf-liberation - A set of free (GPL) fonts from Red Hat Inc.

Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:34:31 +0350

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name    : ttf-liberation
  Version                : 0.1
  Upstream Authors :   Red Hat Inc.

* URL     : https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/
* License         : GPL V2
* Description    : An initial version of a set of serif, sans-serif and  
monospaced fonts with exactly the same metrics as the (non-free)  
Microsoft Times, Arial and Courier fonts, which implies those fonts can  
serve as a drop-in replacement. The font family is named Liberation.

Alan Baghumian

Message #14 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Joshua Rubin <joshua@rubixlinux.org>

To: 423503@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: ITP: ttf-liberation - A set of free (GPL) fonts from Red Hat Inc.

Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:40:50 -0600

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Hi Alan,

I have gone ahead and made a Debian package for this font set. I certainly do 
not want to step on your toes since you opened the ITP. You can use my 
package as an example if you would like. Or, if you would rather, I can try 
to get a sponsor for the package as is with me as the maintainer.

You can see the packages at:
http://www.rubixlinux.org/debian/ttf-liberation/

Thank you,
Joshua Rubin

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Message #19 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Alan Baghumian" <alan@technotux.com>

To: "Joshua Rubin" <joshua@rubixlinux.org>

Cc: 423503@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#423503: ITP: ttf-liberation - A set of free (GPL) fonts from Red Hat Inc.

Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:14:47 +0100 (BST)

Hi,

I've already made the package:

http://technotux.org/dload/ttf-liberation/ (~ 10 days ago), but there is a
license problem with these fonts that prevents us to upload it.

Alan

> Hi Alan,
>
> I have gone ahead and made a Debian package for this font set. I certainly
> do
> not want to step on your toes since you opened the ITP. You can use my
> package as an example if you would like. Or, if you would rather, I can
> try
> to get a sponsor for the package as is with me as the maintainer.
>
> You can see the packages at:
> http://www.rubixlinux.org/debian/ttf-liberation/
>
> Thank you,
> Joshua Rubin
>

Message #24 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Joshua Rubin <joshua@rubixlinux.org>

To: "Alan Baghumian" <alan@technotux.com>

Cc: 423503@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#423503: ITP: ttf-liberation - A set of free (GPL) fonts from Red Hat Inc.

Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:37:33 -0600

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Hi Alan,

I saw that the license is "gpl+exception" what is it about the exception that 
makes it DFSG non uploadable.

Thanks,
Joshua

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Message #29 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Alan Baghumian" <alan@technotux.com>

To: "Joshua Rubin" <joshua@rubixlinux.org>, 423503@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#423503: ITP: ttf-liberation - A set of free (GPL) fonts from Red Hat Inc.

Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:34:54 +0100 (BST)

Hi,

Please read this thread:

http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-legal@lists.debian.org/msg36584.html

Alan

> Hi Alan,
>
> I saw that the license is "gpl+exception" what is it about the exception
> that
> makes it DFSG non uploadable.
>
> Thanks,
> Joshua
>

Message #34 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Alan Baghumian" <alan@technotux.com>

To: "Joshua Rubin" <joshua@rubixlinux.org>, 423503@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#423503: ITP: ttf-liberation - A set of free (GPL) fonts from Red Hat Inc.

Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:35:24 +0100 (BST)

Hi,

Please read this thread:

http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-legal@lists.debian.org/msg36584.html

Alan

> Hi Alan,
>
> I saw that the license is "gpl+exception" what is it about the exception
> that
> makes it DFSG non uploadable.
>
> Thanks,
> Joshua
>

Message #39 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Sam Morris <sam@robots.org.uk>

To: 423503@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: ITP: ttf-liberation -- A set of free (GPL) fonts from Red Hat Inc.

Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:34:44 +0100

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Have these issues been raised with Red Hat/the copyright holders? Have
they indicated that they will (or won't) clarify the points that make it
non-distributable?

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Message #44 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Holger Levsen <debian@layer-acht.org>

To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

Cc: 423503@bugs.debian.org

Subject: ttf-liberation (Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:02:02 +0200

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Hi,

On Thursday 09 August 2007 10:03, Christian Perrier wrote:
> > > > No, we should use the liberation fonts, which are designed to replace
> > > > the MS fonts.
> > > Have their licensing issues been solved?

Have those issues been communicated to upstream and what is their reaction?

The ITP includes the same question, in June, but no answer yet.


regards,
	Holger

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Message #49 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Alan Baghumian" <alan@technotux.com>

To: "Holger Levsen" <debian@layer-acht.org>, 423503@bugs.debian.org

Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, 423503@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#423503: ttf-liberation (Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:04:20 +0100 (BST)

Hi,

Unfortunately, there was no answer about this licensing issue.

Alan

> Hi,
>
> On Thursday 09 August 2007 10:03, Christian Perrier wrote:
>> > > > No, we should use the liberation fonts, which are designed to
>> replace
>> > > > the MS fonts.
>> > > Have their licensing issues been solved?
>
> Have those issues been communicated to upstream and what is their
> reaction?
>
> The ITP includes the same question, in June, but no answer yet.
>
>
> regards,
> 	Holger
>

Message #59 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net>

To: 423503@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Links to recent posts on the GPL issue

Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:36:59 +1100

http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2007/12/16/23/01/47-liberation-fonts-still-quot-non-

http://spevack.livejournal.com/
(I couldn't find a permanent URI for that post, but it contains an offer to
discuss any issues with interested parties and Red Hat's legal department.)

Alternatively, I would suggest raising it with the FSF, or the SFLC.

I hope this can be sorted out sooner rather than later as it seems to be
blocking progress on this package.

Message #64 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Paul TBBle Hampson <Paul.Hampson@Pobox.com>

To: 423503@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Liberation Fonts Livejournal posting from Max Spevack

Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:46:42 +1100

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The relevant permlink is http://spevack.livejournal.com/39729.html
-- 
Paul "TBBle" Hampson, Paul.Hampson@Pobox.com

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Message #69 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Hendrik Weimer <h.weimer@osreviews.net>

To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org

Cc: 423503@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Liberation Font License revisited

Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:18:15 +0200

Hello,

I've spent some time on the Liberation font license mess [1], here are
my results. Red Hat's Tom Callaway (who is responsible for dealing
with such licensing issues) stated that according to the FSF the
license was "free but GPL-incompatible" [2]. I contacted the FSF to
further clarify on the alleged contradiction in the terms. The reply I
got says that the FSF considers this to be a valid license:

'We believe it would have been far clearer if Red Hat had created,
say, the "Liberation Font License" with their extra conditions.
However, since they are the copyright holders, they are within their
rights to do it the way they did.'

This should make this license acceptable for Debian, right?

Best regards,

Hendrik Weimer

[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-legal@lists.debian.org/msg36584.html
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=253774#c7

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Message #74 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Thijs Kinkhorst" <thijs@debian.org>

To: 423503@bugs.debian.org

Cc: "Alan Baghumian" <alan@technotux.org>

Subject: liberation fonts - let's upload

Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:48:04 +0200 (CEST)

Hi Alan,

I think the bug log has gathered all relevant information but just isn't
conclusive on either one. I therefore suggest to just upload the package
to unstable and have the FTP-masters decide on this - is this acceptable
to Debian or not? That is, follow the reasoning by FSF or the one by some
of the debian-legal participants? After all, FTP-master is the final
authority on this.

Do you think you can upload it sometime soon, so it may make it to Lenny?
If you need sponsoring just let me know!


Thijs

Message #79 received at 423503@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Alan Baghumian" <alan@technotux.org>

To: "Thijs Kinkhorst" <thijs@debian.org>

Cc: 423503@bugs.debian.org, "Alan Baghumian" <alan@technotux.org>

Subject: Re: liberation fonts - let's upload

Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:36:25 +0200 (CEST)

Hi,

I'm not a DD, so, if possible, sponsor the package!

http://technotux.org/dload/ttf-liberation/

Alan

> Hi Alan,
>
> I think the bug log has gathered all relevant information but just isn't
> conclusive on either one. I therefore suggest to just upload the package
> to unstable and have the FTP-masters decide on this - is this acceptable
> to Debian or not? That is, follow the reasoning by FSF or the one by some
> of the debian-legal participants? After all, FTP-master is the final
> authority on this.
>
> Do you think you can upload it sometime soon, so it may make it to Lenny?
> If you need sponsoring just let me know!
>
>
> Thijs
>
>

Message #86 received at 423503-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Alan Baghumian <alan@technotux.org>

To: 423503-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#423503: fixed in ttf-liberation 1.04~beta2-1

Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:51:31 +0000

Source: ttf-liberation
Source-Version: 1.04~beta2-1

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
ttf-liberation, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2-1.diff.gz
  to pool/main/t/ttf-liberation/ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2-1.diff.gz
ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2-1.dsc
  to pool/main/t/ttf-liberation/ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2-1.dsc
ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2-1_all.deb
  to pool/main/t/ttf-liberation/ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2-1_all.deb
ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/main/t/ttf-liberation/ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2.orig.tar.gz



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 423503@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Alan Baghumian <alan@technotux.org> (supplier of updated ttf-liberation package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
administrators by mailing ftpmaster@debian.org)


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Binary: ttf-liberation
Architecture: source all
Version: 1.04~beta2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Fonts Task Force <pkg-fonts-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Alan Baghumian <alan@technotux.org>
Description: 
 ttf-liberation - Free fonts with the same metrics as Times, Arial and Courier
Closes: 423503
Changes: 
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 .
   * Initial release (Closes: #423503).
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Message #91 received at 423503-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Alan Baghumian <alan@technotux.org>

To: 423503-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#423503: fixed in ttf-liberation 1.04~beta2-2

Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:51:30 +0000

Source: ttf-liberation
Source-Version: 1.04~beta2-2

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
ttf-liberation, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2-2.diff.gz
  to pool/main/t/ttf-liberation/ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2-2.diff.gz
ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2-2.dsc
  to pool/main/t/ttf-liberation/ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2-2.dsc
ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2-2_all.deb
  to pool/main/t/ttf-liberation/ttf-liberation_1.04~beta2-2_all.deb



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 423503@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Alan Baghumian <alan@technotux.org> (supplier of updated ttf-liberation package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
administrators by mailing ftpmaster@debian.org)


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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Fonts Task Force <pkg-fonts-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Alan Baghumian <alan@technotux.org>
Description: 
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Closes: 423503
Changes: 
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   * Fixed upstream download link in the copyright file
   * Fixed GPL-2 path in the copyright file
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