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findutils: better french l10n for a message

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Message #5 received at maintonly@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Arnaud Giersch <arnaud.giersch@iut-bm.univ-fcomte.fr>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <maintonly@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: findutils: better french l10n for a message

Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:39:11 +0100

Package: findutils
Version: 4.2.28-1
Severity: minor
Tags: l10n, patch

Hi,

I suggest a better translation for an error message of find.

Extract from po/fr.po:

#: find/parser.c:372
#, c-format
msgid ""
"warning: you have specified the %s option after a non-option argument %s, "
"but options are not positional (%s affects tests specified before it as well "
"as those specified after it).  Please specify options before other "
"arguments.\n"
msgstr ""
"AVERTISSEMENT: vous avez spécifié l'option %s après un argument qui n'est "
"pas une option %s mais les options sont positionnelles (%s affecte les tests "
"spécifiés avant aussi bien qu'après)\n"

Suggested translation (slightly changed the first sentence, and added
the last one):

msgstr ""
"AVERTISSEMENT: vous avez spécifié l'option %s après un paramètre %s qui "
"n'est pas une option mais les options sont positionnelles (%s affecte les "
"tests spécifiés avant aussi bien qu'après).  Veuillez spécifier les options "
"avant les autres paramètres.\n"

Regard,
        Arnaud Giersch


-- System Information:
Debian Release: 4.0
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (50, 'unstable'), (40, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-3-686
Locale: LANG=fr_FR@euro, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR@euro (charmap=ISO-8859-15)

Versions of packages findutils depends on:
ii  libc6                       2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries

findutils recommends no packages.

-- no debconf information

Message #10 received at 415836@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andreas Metzler <ametzler@downhill.at.eu.org>

To: Michel Robitaille <robitail@IRO.UMontreal.CA>, traduc@traduc.org

Cc: Arnaud Giersch <arnaud.giersch@iut-bm.univ-fcomte.fr>, 415836@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#415836: findutils: better french l10n for a message

Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:46:32 +0100

I am forwarding this to the respective translation team.
thanks, cu andreas

On 2007-03-22 Arnaud Giersch <arnaud.giersch@iut-bm.univ-fcomte.fr> wrote:
> Package: findutils
> Version: 4.2.28-1
> Severity: minor
> Tags: l10n, patch

> Hi,

> I suggest a better translation for an error message of find.

> Extract from po/fr.po:

> #: find/parser.c:372
> #, c-format
> msgid ""
> "warning: you have specified the %s option after a non-option argument %s, "
> "but options are not positional (%s affects tests specified before it as well "
> "as those specified after it).  Please specify options before other "
> "arguments.\n"
> msgstr ""
> "AVERTISSEMENT: vous avez spécifié l'option %s après un argument qui n'est "
> "pas une option %s mais les options sont positionnelles (%s affecte les tests "
> "spécifiés avant aussi bien qu'après)\n"

> Suggested translation (slightly changed the first sentence, and added
> the last one):

> msgstr ""
> "AVERTISSEMENT: vous avez spécifié l'option %s après un paramètre %s qui "
> "n'est pas une option mais les options sont positionnelles (%s affecte les "
> "tests spécifiés avant aussi bien qu'après).  Veuillez spécifier les options "
> "avant les autres paramètres.\n"

> Regard,
>         Arnaud Giersch


> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: 4.0
>   APT prefers testing
>   APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (50, 'unstable'), (40, 'experimental')
> Architecture: i386 (i686)
> Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
> Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-3-686
> Locale: LANG=fr_FR@euro, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR@euro (charmap=ISO-8859-15)

> Versions of packages findutils depends on:
> ii  libc6                       2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries

> findutils recommends no packages.

Message #17 received at 415836@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "James Youngman" <jay@gnu.org>

To: "Francois Poulain" <fpoulain@gmail.com>, 415836@bugs.debian.org

Cc: bug-findutils@gnu.org, robitail@IRO.UMontreal.CA

Subject: Re: French translation of findutils

Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:01:14 +0100

Francois,

Thanks for letting me know about the possibility of improving the
French translation of a findutils warning message.

All message translations for findutils are taken from the Translation
Project's web site.  So in order to get your improvement into the
findutils code base, please send it to the French translation team.
From there, the improved translation will be included in findutils.

The French translation team's web site is at
http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/translation/registry.cgi?team=fr.  That
web page includes pointers to information about how you can contribute
your work.

Thanks again,
James.

Message #22 received at 415836@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andreas Metzler <ametzler@downhill.at.eu.org>

To: Arnaud Giersch <arnaud.giersch@iut-bm.univ-fcomte.fr>, 415836@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#415836: findutils: better french l10n for a message

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:07:10 +0200

On 2007-03-22 Arnaud Giersch <arnaud.giersch@iut-bm.univ-fcomte.fr> wrote:
[...]
> Hi,

> I suggest a better translation for an error message of find.

> Extract from po/fr.po:

> #: find/parser.c:372
> #, c-format
> msgid ""
> "warning: you have specified the %s option after a non-option argument %s, "
> "but options are not positional (%s affects tests specified before it as well "
> "as those specified after it).  Please specify options before other "
> "arguments.\n"
> msgstr ""
> "AVERTISSEMENT: vous avez spécifié l'option %s après un argument qui n'est "
> "pas une option %s mais les options sont positionnelles (%s affecte les tests "
> "spécifiés avant aussi bien qu'après)\n"

> Suggested translation (slightly changed the first sentence, and added
> the last one):

> msgstr ""
> "AVERTISSEMENT: vous avez spécifié l'option %s après un paramètre %s qui "
> "n'est pas une option mais les options sont positionnelles (%s affecte les "
> "tests spécifiés avant aussi bien qu'après).  Veuillez spécifier les options "
> "avant les autres paramètres.\n"

> Regard,
>         Arnaud Giersch

Hello,

findutils 4.4.1 contains this:

"AVERTISSEMENT : vous avez spécifié l'option %s après un argument qui n'est "
"pas une option %s mais les options sont positionnelles (%s affecte les tests "
"spécifiés avant aussi bien qu'après). SVP spécifiez des options avant les "
"autres arguments. \n"

which seems to be the result of
<http://benji1.traduc.org/pipermail/traduc/2007-March/004933.html>. Can
this bug therefore be closed?

cu andreas
-- 
`What a good friend you are to him, Dr. Maturin. His other friends are
so grateful to you.'
`I sew his ears on from time to time, sure'

Message #27 received at 415836@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Arnaud Giersch <arnaud.giersch@iut-bm.univ-fcomte.fr>

To: Andreas Metzler <ametzler@downhill.at.eu.org>

Cc: 415836@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#415836: findutils: better french l10n for a message

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:26:25 +0200

Samedi 25 avril 2009, vers 10:07:10 (+0200), Andreas Metzler a écrit :

>> "warning: you have specified the %s option after a non-option argument %s, "
>> "but options are not positional (%s affects tests specified before it as well "
>> "as those specified after it).  Please specify options before other "
>> "arguments.\n"
[...]

> findutils 4.4.1 contains this:
>
> "AVERTISSEMENT : vous avez spécifié l'option %s après un argument qui n'est "
> "pas une option %s mais les options sont positionnelles (%s affecte les tests "
> "spécifiés avant aussi bien qu'après). SVP spécifiez des options avant les "
> "autres arguments. \n"

Hello,

I am sorry, but I do not agree that this bug can be closed.  There
remains at least two problems in this translation:

1.     "after a non-option argument %s"
   is translated as
       "après un argument qui n'est pas une option %s".
   This translation is misleading: is not clear thar "%s" is related
   to "argument", and not to "option".  A better translation can be:
       "après un argument %s qui n'est pas une option".

   To try to explain the difference in english, it is like saying
       "after an argument which is not an option %s"
   instead of
       "after an argument %s which is not an option".

2.     "but options are not positional"
   is wrongly translated as
       "mais les options sont positionnelles",
   where the negation "not" is lost.  It should be something like
       "mais les options ne sont pas positionnelles".

Then, from a stylistic point of view, I am not fully statisfied with
the translation.  I prefer, for example, the one sugested by François
Poulain in
<http://benji1.traduc.org/pipermail/traduc/2007-March/004934.html>.
This may however be just a matter of personal taste, and is not an
objection to closing the bug.

Regards,
        Arnaud
-- 
http://info.iut-bm.univ-fcomte.fr/staff/giersch/

Message #32 received at 415836@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: James Youngman <jay@gnu.org>

To: Arnaud Giersch <arnaud.giersch@iut-bm.univ-fcomte.fr>, 415836@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Andreas Metzler <ametzler@downhill.at.eu.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#415836: findutils: better french l10n for a message

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:13:18 +0100

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Arnaud Giersch
<arnaud.giersch@iut-bm.univ-fcomte.fr> wrote:
> Samedi 25 avril 2009, vers 10:07:10 (+0200), Andreas Metzler a écrit :
>
>>> "warning: you have specified the %s option after a non-option argument %s, "
>>> "but options are not positional (%s affects tests specified before it as well "
>>> "as those specified after it).  Please specify options before other "
>>> "arguments.\n"
> [...]
>
>> findutils 4.4.1 contains this:
>>
>> "AVERTISSEMENT : vous avez spécifié l'option %s après un argument qui n'est "
>> "pas une option %s mais les options sont positionnelles (%s affecte les tests "
>> "spécifiés avant aussi bien qu'après). SVP spécifiez des options avant les "
>> "autres arguments. \n"
>
> Hello,
>
> I am sorry, but I do not agree that this bug can be closed.  There
> remains at least two problems in this translation:
[...]
> Then, from a stylistic point of view, I am not fully statisfied with
> the translation.

Please take up translation issues with the translation team; the
upstream package doesn't maintain the translations either.   See the
guidance at http://translationproject.org/html/maintainers.html

For the French translation in particular, see
http://translationproject.org/team/fr.html

Thanks!
James.

Message #39 received at 415836-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de>

To: 415836-done@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#415836: French translation of findutils

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:13:59 +0100

Version: 4.4.1-1

On 2007-04-15 James Youngman <jay@gnu.org> wrote:
> Francois,

> Thanks for letting me know about the possibility of improving the
> French translation of a findutils warning message.

> All message translations for findutils are taken from the Translation
> Project's web site.  So in order to get your improvement into the
> findutils code base, please send it to the French translation team.
> From there, the improved translation will be included in findutils.

> The French translation team's web site is at
> http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/translation/registry.cgi?team=fr.  That
> web page includes pointers to information about how you can contribute
> your work.

I am marking the Debian bug as closed, too.

cu Andreas
-- 
`What a good friend you are to him, Dr. Maturin. His other friends are
so grateful to you.'
`I sew his ears on from time to time, sure'

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