Debian Bug report logs - #415287
dummy bug; should not be in testing

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <cheal@hotpop.com>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: dummy bug; should not be in testing

Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:49:30 +0000

Package: ion3
Version: 20061223-2
Severity: serious

This is a dummy bug report to avoid that current ion3 enter testing.
In #413469 msg 67, Norbert Tretkowski requested as ex-maintainer that
ion3 and its dependants be removed from Etch. Upstream maintainer Tuomo
Valkonen requested not to include the current ion3 version in stable.
Steve Langasek endorsed with msg 163 serious severity for this bug on the grounds that ion3 in
stable has few users and that according to Joey Hess "the ion3 upgrade
path from sarge to etch isn't likely to be a smooth one anyway", so it
seems "reasonable to defer to upstream (and the former maintainer) on
this point".

Message #10 received at 415287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org>

To: Filipus Klutiero <cheal@hotpop.com>, 415287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#415287: dummy bug; should not be in testing

Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:49:12 +0100

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On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 21:49:30 +0000, Filipus Klutiero wrote:

> Package: ion3
> Version: 20061223-2
> Severity: serious
> 
What's the purpose of this bug that isn't already achieved by #413469?

Cheers,
Julien

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Message #27 received at 415287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Nicola Manini <nicola.manini@mi.infm.it>

To: 415287@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org>

Subject: quick comment

Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:51:24 +0100

> What's the purpose of this bug that isn't already achieved by #413469?
>
> Cheers,

Julien, #413469 was correctly downgraded to wishlist, since that bug is only 
about "The package is outdated", i.e. the developer wished to push a fresher 
snapshot into etch, which is deep frozen and cannot accept that.
The articulate discussion in #413469 ended with ion3 being removed from etch, 
since the developer (Tuomo) felt only ion2 belongs to a stable distribution.
Development snapshots of ion3 are included in unstable and experimental (see 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/version.cgi?package=ion3 ), so ion3 users can 
choose between use a fresh snapshot in less stable distributions or the oldish 
ion2 (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/version.cgi?package=ion2 ).

If I may comment as an unconcerned debian longtime "aficionado", I feel this 
solution is suboptimal to users, and also to upstream. A developer should either 
not care or (more likely) be proud that a random development snapshot makes its 
way into debian stable "megafreeze", even though he/she has released much 
fresher versions: these are accessible to anybody who cares anyway.
Concerns for bug tracking effort devoted to an old version does not seem too 
serious: if I was in Tuomo's place, I'd leave to the debian package maintainer 
the task of fighting the bugs of a old piece of software until he/she gets bored 
enough to prefer to upgrade to a newer better version.

I hope this upstream/distribution competitive pattern remains an isolated 
example.  If it spreads, it has a potentiality of damaging linux in general and 
debian in particular.

All the best,
                  Nick

Message #32 received at 415287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>

To: Nicola Manini <nicola.manini@mi.infm.it>, 415287@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#415287: quick comment

Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:43:46 -0700

On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 11:51:24PM +0100, Nicola Manini wrote:
> > What's the purpose of this bug that isn't already achieved by #413469?

> Julien, #413469 was correctly downgraded to wishlist, since that bug is 
> only about "The package is outdated",

"this package is outdated to the point of unreleasability" is a perfectly
valid *serious* bug.

> i.e. the developer wished to push a fresher snapshot into etch

No, the developer specified that the snapshot should be updated *and that
etch should continue to track upstream development*, which is obviously a)
not resolved by having one particular newer snapshot in experimental, and b)
not going to happen.

-- 
Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
vorlon@debian.org                                   http://www.debian.org/

Message #37 received at 415287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Trent Buck" <trentbuck@gmail.com>

To: 415287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Should ion3 snapshots be kept from testing?

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:25:59 +1000

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Etch has been released.  Testing now points to Lenny.

As per http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ion3
this bug prevents ion3 from entering lenny.

Is this the desired behaviour?  Reading the bug history, it looks like
this bug was created specifically to prevent ion3 entering *etch*, and
can now be closed.
-- 
Trent Buck, Student Errant

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Message #42 received at 415287@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>

To: Trent Buck <trentbuck@gmail.com>, 415287@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#415287: Should ion3 snapshots be kept from testing?

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:37:51 +0100

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On Thu, 2007-04-26 at 16:25 +1000, Trent Buck wrote:
> Etch has been released.  Testing now points to Lenny.
> 
> As per http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ion3
> this bug prevents ion3 from entering lenny.
> 
> Is this the desired behaviour?  Reading the bug history, it looks like
> this bug was created specifically to prevent ion3 entering *etch*, and
> can now be closed.

This is intended.  I'll close it once there's a stable release of Ion3,
which will probably happen in time for lenny.

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings
Life would be so much easier if we could look at the source code.

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Message #47 received at 415287-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>

To: 415287-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#415287: fixed in ion3 20080207-1

Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:47:02 +0000

Source: ion3
Source-Version: 20080207-1

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
ion3, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

ion3-dev_20080207-1_all.deb
  to pool/non-free/i/ion3/ion3-dev_20080207-1_all.deb
ion3_20080207-1.diff.gz
  to pool/non-free/i/ion3/ion3_20080207-1.diff.gz
ion3_20080207-1.dsc
  to pool/non-free/i/ion3/ion3_20080207-1.dsc
ion3_20080207-1_i386.deb
  to pool/non-free/i/ion3/ion3_20080207-1_i386.deb
ion3_20080207.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/non-free/i/ion3/ion3_20080207.orig.tar.gz



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 415287@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> (supplier of updated ion3 package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
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Format: 1.7
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:29:15 +0000
Source: ion3
Binary: ion3 ion3-dev
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 20080207-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>
Changed-By: Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>
Description: 
 ion3       - tiling tabbed window manager designed for keyboard users
 ion3-dev   - Ion3 development files
Closes: 415287
Changes: 
 ion3 (20080207-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version
     - First stable release of Ion3 - closes: #415287
Files: 
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 a3673c29c367106e5c4919ac33726eec 653316 non-free/x11 extra ion3_20080207.orig.tar.gz
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