Debian Bug report logs - #410648
gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: green <green@r8.dion.ne.jp>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:31:39 +0900

Package: gnome-terminal
Version: 2.14.2-1
Severity: normal

gnome-terminal can not show only Japanese characters
correctly in ja_JP.UTF-8 mode as follows:

debian:/home/foo# apt-get upgrade
�ѥå������ꥹ�Ȥ��ɤ߹����Ǥ��ޤ�... ��λ%
��¸�ط��ĥ꡼���������Ƥ��ޤ�... ��λ
���åץ��졼��: 0 �ġ��������󥹥ȡ���: 0 �ġ�����: 0 �ġ���α: 0 �ġ�

So I had to do this with LANG=C option.

debian:/home/foo# LANG=C apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

But it quite ok in ja_JP.EUC-JP.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing (etch)
  APT prefers testing
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.16-2-686

Best regards.

Message #10 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org>

To: green <green@r8.dion.ne.jp>, 410648@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:58:31 +0100

Le lundi 12 février 2007 à 19:31 +0900, green a écrit :
> Package: gnome-terminal
> Version: 2.14.2-1
> Severity: normal
> 
> gnome-terminal can not show only Japanese characters
> correctly in ja_JP.UTF-8 mode as follows:
> 
> debian:/home/foo# apt-get upgrade
> �ѥå������ꥹ�Ȥ��ɤ߹����Ǥ��ޤ�... ��λ%
 <��¸�ط��ĥ꡼���������Ƥ��ޤ�... ��λ
> ���åץ��졼��: 0 �ġ��������󥹥ȡ���: 0 �ġ�����: 0 �ġ���α: 0 �ġ�
> 
> So I had to do this with LANG=C option.
> 
> debian:/home/foo# LANG=C apt-get upgrade
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> 
> But it quite ok in ja_JP.EUC-JP.

This is most likely because the terminal itself was launched with the
ja_JP.EUC-JP locale, and therefore believes what is displayed in the
terminal is in this encoding. Thus, this behaviour is expected.

Cheers,
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Message #15 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: green <green@r8.dion.ne.jp>

To: 410648@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:53:58 +0900

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:58:31 +0100
Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org> wrote:
> This is most likely because the terminal itself was launched with the
> ja_JP.EUC-JP locale, and therefore believes what is displayed in the
> terminal is in this encoding. Thus, this behaviour is expected.

It may be not, indeed.
Please see below for a reference:

http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~greens/debian/img_0750.jpg

Thank you.

Message #20 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org>

To: green <green@r8.dion.ne.jp>, 410648@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:05:46 +0100

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Le mercredi 14 février 2007 à 07:53 +0900, green a écrit :
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:58:31 +0100
> Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org> wrote:
> > This is most likely because the terminal itself was launched with the
> > ja_JP.EUC-JP locale, and therefore believes what is displayed in the
> > terminal is in this encoding. Thus, this behaviour is expected.
> 
> It may be not, indeed.
> Please see below for a reference:
> 
> http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~greens/debian/img_0750.jpg

A terminal (and this is true for any terminal emulator software) *must*
be configured to use the same encoding as the locale which is used by
programs launched inside the said terminal. Otherwise you will
experience the described behavior.

Cheers,
-- 
 .''`.
: :' :      We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code.
`. `'       We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to
  `-        our own. Resistance is futile.

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Message #25 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: green <green@r8.dion.ne.jp>

To: 410648@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:38:06 +0900

> > It may be not, indeed.
> > Please see below for a reference:
> > 
> > http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~greens/debian/img_0750.jpg
> 
> A terminal (and this is true for any terminal emulator software) *must*
> be configured to use the same encoding as the locale which is used by
> programs launched inside the said terminal. Otherwise you will
> experience the described behavior.

I am afraid you are misunderstanding the problem that I reported.

Even though the gnome-terminal here is configured with ja_JP.UTF-8,
the terminal fails to encode Japanese characters correctly.

For example, when I tried to launche a gnome-terminal with the
ja_JP.EUC-JP locale during ja_JP.UTF-8 of GNOME session,
I experience a normal behavior: no mis-encodings.

Thank you.

Message #30 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Hideki Yamane <henrich@iijmio-mail.jp>

To: 410648@bugs.debian.org

Subject: I CAN use gnome-terminal with ja_JP.UTF-8 :-)

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:23:57 +0900

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Hi,

 There is not enough information that you provided.
 So, I will ask you:

 - How to reproduce it? Please describe the way you did.
 - Can you reproduce it with new user?
   If you create new user and login as it, you'll see that?
 - If you can install new system and you'll see that?
 - Locale setting, terminal font setting, environment variables and etc
   are NOT shown. Please show it.

 You said "I am afraid you are misunderstanding the problem that I reported.",
 but guessing the reason of problems is so HARD thing. If you want to
 get the answer, you should provide any information that maintainer wants.

 Anyway, bug title does not decribe the problem correctly.
 I'll suggest to you ask questions like this to debian-users@lists.debian.or.jp
 at first (there is many Japanese users in that list), then report it as
 a bug.


--
Regards,

 Hideki Yamane

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Message #35 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org>

To: green@r8.dion.ne.jp, 410648@bugs.debian.org

Cc: joss@debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:37:13 +0900 (JST)

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On February 14, 2007 at 6:38PM +0900,
green (at r8.dion.ne.jp) wrote:

> > > http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~greens/debian/img_0750.jpg
> >
> > A terminal (and this is true for any terminal emulator software) *must*
> > be configured to use the same encoding as the locale which is used by
> > programs launched inside the said terminal. Otherwise you will
> > experience the described behavior.
>
> I am afraid you are misunderstanding the problem that I reported.
>
> Even though the gnome-terminal here is configured with ja_JP.UTF-8,
> the terminal fails to encode Japanese characters correctly.

green, could you please type `su' and then `locale'?  I guess that
your gnome-terminal is invoked as ja_JP.UTF-8, but your su
environment is under ja_JP.eucJP, so the problem occurs.

On my environment, gnome-terminal with ja_JP.UTF-8 works nicely
(except CJK half/full width problem, see Bug#395133).

--
Tatsuya Kinoshita

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Message #40 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org>

To: green@r8.dion.ne.jp, 410648@bugs.debian.org

Cc: joss@debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:00:15 +0900 (JST)

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On February 14, 2007 at 11:37PM +0900,
tats (at debian.org) wrote:

> On February 14, 2007 at 6:38PM +0900,
> green (at r8.dion.ne.jp) wrote:
>
> > > > http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~greens/debian/img_0750.jpg
> > >
> > > A terminal (and this is true for any terminal emulator software) *must*
> > > be configured to use the same encoding as the locale which is used by
> > > programs launched inside the said terminal. Otherwise you will
> > > experience the described behavior.
> >
> > I am afraid you are misunderstanding the problem that I reported.
> >
> > Even though the gnome-terminal here is configured with ja_JP.UTF-8,
> > the terminal fails to encode Japanese characters correctly.
>
> green, could you please type `su' and then `locale'?  I guess that
> your gnome-terminal is invoked as ja_JP.UTF-8, but your su
> environment is under ja_JP.eucJP, so the problem occurs.

Also, the environment variable OUTPUT_CHARSET or so shuld be
checked.  Please check your configuration files /root/.??*,
~/.??*, etc.

--
Tatsuya Kinoshita

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Message #45 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: green <green@r8.dion.ne.jp>

To: Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org>

Cc: 410648@bugs.debian.org, joss@debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:58:51 +0900

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:37:13 +0900 (JST)
Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org> wrote:
> green, could you please type `su' and then `locale'?  I guess that
> your gnome-terminal is invoked as ja_JP.UTF-8, but your su
> environment is under ja_JP.eucJP, so the problem occurs.

Thank you for your postings. As you requested, see below

$ su
Password:
debian:/home/foo# echo $LANG
ja_JP.EUC-JP

Nevertheless /etc/default/locale shows as below:

$ cat  
#  File generated by update-locale
#LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8

This is because I did NOT set a default locale by
a command # dpkg-reconfigure locales

Regards.

Message #50 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: green <green@r8.dion.ne.jp>

To: Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org>

Cc: 410648@bugs.debian.org, joss@debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:06:37 +0900

I had to send you an additional report here.

I got an updater of a new locales package just now
by "apt-watch" updater. After adopting it, it goes as below; 

取得:5 http://ftp.jp.debian.org etch/main locales 2.3.6.ds1-11 [4003kB] 
Generating locales (this might take a while)...
  ja_JP.EUC-JP... done
  en_US.ISO-8859-1... done
  en_US.UTF-8... done
  ja_JP.UTF-8... done
Generation complete.

------------------------

$ cat /etc/default/locale
#  File generated by update-locale
LANG=ja_JP.EUC-JP

Tuus, a behaviour has changed as above.

Regards.

Message #55 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: green <green@r8.dion.ne.jp>

To: Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org>

Cc: 410648@bugs.debian.org, joss@debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:23:24 +0900

And may needs an additional report.

When I just noticed that sh message in Japanese
in my locale, its message shows quite correctly
so far in Japanese characters. See a screecshot
below;

http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~greens/Screenshot-sh.png

But gnome-terminal still fails to encode Japanese
characters.

Regards.

Message #60 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org>

To: green@r8.dion.ne.jp, 410648@bugs.debian.org

Cc: joss@debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:03:05 +0900 (JST)

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On February 15, 2007 at 9:23PM +0900,
green (at r8.dion.ne.jp) wrote:

> But gnome-terminal still fails to encode Japanese
> characters.

Again, a terminal must be configured to use the same encoding as
the locale which is used by programs launched inside the terminal.
(If you want to use EUC-JP inside the terminal, you must configure
the terminal to use EUC-JP.)

If you believe your configuration is correct and this is a bug,
please provide more information so that we can reproduce the problem.

--
Tatsuya Kinoshita

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Message #65 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org>

To: green@r8.dion.ne.jp, 410648@bugs.debian.org

Cc: joss@debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:49:42 +0900 (JST)

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On February 15, 2007 at 8:58PM +0900,
green (at r8.dion.ne.jp) wrote:

> $ su
> Password:
> debian:/home/foo# echo $LANG
> ja_JP.EUC-JP
>
> Nevertheless /etc/default/locale shows as below:
>
> $ cat
> #  File generated by update-locale
> #LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8
>
> This is because I did NOT set a default locale by
> a command # dpkg-reconfigure locales

On February 15, 2007 at 9:06PM +0900,
green (at r8.dion.ne.jp) wrote:

> 取得:5 http://ftp.jp.debian.org etch/main locales 2.3.6.ds1-11 [4003kB]
> Generating locales (this might take a while)...
[...]
> $ cat /etc/default/locale
> #  File generated by update-locale
> LANG=ja_JP.EUC-JP
>
> Tuus, a behaviour has changed as above.

I guess that your /etc/environment contains "LANG=ja_JP.EUC-JP", so
it is used as a default locale.

--
Tatsuya Kinoshita

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Message #70 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: green <green@r8.dion.ne.jp>

To: Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org>

Cc: 410648@bugs.debian.org, joss@debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:12:37 +0900

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:49:42 +0900 (JST)
Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org> wrote:
> I guess that your /etc/environment contains "LANG=ja_JP.EUC-JP", so
> it is used as a default locale.

As you pointed out, it is so.

$ cat /etc/environment
LANGUAGE="ja_JP:ja:en_GB:en"

LANG=ja_JP.EUC-JP


But I did not edit the /etc/environment manunaly.

Regards.

Message #75 received at 410648@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: green <green@r8.dion.ne.jp>

To: Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org>

Cc: 410648@bugs.debian.org, joss@debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:17:29 +0900

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:03:05 +0900 (JST)
Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org> wrote:
> (If you want to use EUC-JP inside the terminal, you must configure
> the terminal to use EUC-JP.)

I do not desire to use EUC-JP, not only inside the terminal
but also in the system level.

Seems the matter a little complicated.
Then, let's make it simple.

It seems the problem is that "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
does not reflect a system locales correctly.

If you choose Locale="NONE" by that command,
I expect "ja_JP.EUC-JP" will not configure
as a system default.

Nevertheless, a "locale command" displays as:

# locale
LANG=ja_JP.EUC-JP
LANGUAGE=ja_JP:ja:en_GB:en
LC_CTYPE="ja_JP.EUC-JP"
LC_NUMERIC="ja_JP.EUC-JP"
LC_TIME="ja_JP.EUC-JP"
LC_COLLATE="ja_JP.EUC-JP"
LC_MONETARY="ja_JP.EUC-JP"
LC_MESSAGES="ja_JP.EUC-JP"
LC_PAPER="ja_JP.EUC-JP"
LC_NAME="ja_JP.EUC-JP"
LC_ADDRESS="ja_JP.EUC-JP"
LC_TELEPHONE="ja_JP.EUC-JP"
LC_MEASUREMENT="ja_JP.EUC-JP"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="ja_JP.EUC-JP"
LC_ALL=


Is this an expected behaviour in Debian Etch?

Regards.

Message #80 received at 410648-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org>

To: green@r8.dion.ne.jp, 410648-done@bugs.debian.org

Cc: joss@debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#410648: gnome-terminal is NOT usable in ja_JP.UTF-8

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:49:22 +0900 (JST)

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Version: 2.14.2-1

On February 16, 2007 at 12:12AM +0900,
green (at r8.dion.ne.jp) wrote:

> $ cat /etc/environment
> LANGUAGE="ja_JP:ja:en_GB:en"
>
> LANG=ja_JP.EUC-JP
>
>
> But I did not edit the /etc/environment manunaly.

I guess that you installed pre-Etch (Sarge or so) and chose your
system local to ja_JP.EUC-JP, so the locale was set in /etc/environment.

On February 16, 2007 at 12:17AM +0900,
green (at r8.dion.ne.jp) wrote:

> I do not desire to use EUC-JP, not only inside the terminal
> but also in the system level.
>
> Seems the matter a little complicated.
> Then, let's make it simple.
>
> It seems the problem is that "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
> does not reflect a system locales correctly.
>
> If you choose Locale="NONE" by that command,
> I expect "ja_JP.EUC-JP" will not configure
> as a system default.
>
> Nevertheless, a "locale command" displays as:
>
> # locale
> LANG=ja_JP.EUC-JP
[...]
> Is this an expected behaviour in Debian Etch?

In a fresh installed Etch, the locales package doesn't modify
/etc/environment.

Upgrading from pre-Etch, if you'd like to use other locales, you
should set your system locale again.

Also, additional info is found in /usr/share/doc/locales/NEWS.Debian.gz:

| locales (2.3.6-7) unstable; urgency=low
|
|   * Locale variables are now stored in /etc/default/locale and no more
|     /etc/environment.  The reason is that Debian Policy forbids modifying
|     configuration files of other packages, and /etc/environment is a
|     configuration file for PAM.
|     Make sure to remove old definitions from /etc/environment, this file
|     is no more modified for the reason explained above.

Anyway, this is not a bug of gnome-terminal, though this is a
dist-upgrading issue.  Closing.

Thanks,
--
Tatsuya Kinoshita

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