Debian Bug report logs - #405905
adduser: please assume that information entered is correct

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@vif.com>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: adduser: please assume that information entered is correct

Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 04:29:26 -0500

Package: adduser
Version: 3.101
Severity: wishlist

At the end of the input, adduser asks whether the information entered is
correct, assuming that it is not. Please change that so that the
information is assumed to be correct (unless you have some reason to do
the opposite).

Message #10 received at 405905@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Marc Haber <mh+debian-packages@zugschlus.de>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@vif.com>, 405905@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [Adduser-devel] Bug#405905: adduser: please assume that information entered is correct

Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:55:21 +0100

On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 04:29:26AM -0500, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
> At the end of the input, adduser asks whether the information entered is
> correct, assuming that it is not. Please change that so that the
> information is assumed to be correct (unless you have some reason to do
> the opposite).

Please give a reason for the change and explain why it is a good idea
to have this long-standing behavior changed, which might cause
confusion in users.

Greetings
Marc

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Message #15 received at 405905@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stephen Gran <sgran@debian.org>

To: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@vif.com>, 405905@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: [Adduser-devel] Bug#405905: adduser: please assume that information entered is correct

Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 01:07:40 +0000

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This one time, at band camp, Filipus Klutiero said:
> At the end of the input, adduser asks whether the information entered is
> correct, assuming that it is not. Please change that so that the
> information is assumed to be correct (unless you have some reason to do
> the opposite).

Many unix tools operate on this (perhaps faulty) logic of 'do nothing
until confirmation', so this is a paradigm I am comfortable and familiar
with.  What benefits do you see coming from changing a long term
default, and can you describe how it outweighs the danger brought in by
change (e.g., admins whose fingers are used to hitting enter when they
make a mistake)?

Thanks for your input,
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Message #20 received at 405905@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Philippe Cloutier <philippe.cloutier.2@ulaval.ca>

To: 405905@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Rationale

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:31:00 -0500

Sorry for the delay, I submitted from an invalid email address.

>Please give a reason for the change
>
It is more likely that the information entered is correct than 
incorrect. Therefore the default should be that it's correct.

> and explain why it is a good idea
>to have this long-standing behavior changed, which might cause
>confusion in users.
>
Having the default answer be the most common answer will save time to 
adduser users.

>Many unix tools operate on this (perhaps faulty) logic of 'do nothing
>until confirmation', so this is a paradigm I am comfortable and familiar
>with. 
>
I was not aware of such a "paradigm" (despite years of using Unix as 
main OS).

>What benefits do you see coming from changing a long term
>default
>
Explained above.

>and can you describe how it outweighs the danger brought in by
>change (e.g., admins whose fingers are used to hitting enter when they
>make a mistake)?
>
I don't see any "danger" in creating a user with incorrect information.

Message #25 received at 405905@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Marc Haber <mh+debian-packages@zugschlus.de>

To: Philippe Cloutier <philippe.cloutier.2@ulaval.ca>, 405905@bugs.debian.org

Subject: wontfix

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:59:19 +0100

tags #405905 wontfix
thanks

On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 08:31:00PM -0500, Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> >Please give a reason for the change
> >
> It is more likely that the information entered is correct than 
> incorrect. Therefore the default should be that it's correct.
> 
> >and explain why it is a good idea
> >to have this long-standing behavior changed, which might cause
> >confusion in users.
> >
> Having the default answer be the most common answer will save time to 
> adduser users.

That didn't convince me. Until better arguments come up, I am not
inclined to change the long standing default behavior of adduser.

Tagging wontfix.

Greetings
Marc

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Message #34 received at 405905-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stephen Gran <sgran@debian.org>

To: 405905-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#405905: fixed in adduser 3.108

Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:17:02 +0000

Source: adduser
Source-Version: 3.108

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
adduser, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

adduser_3.108.dsc
  to pool/main/a/adduser/adduser_3.108.dsc
adduser_3.108.tar.gz
  to pool/main/a/adduser/adduser_3.108.tar.gz
adduser_3.108_all.deb
  to pool/main/a/adduser/adduser_3.108_all.deb



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 405905@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Stephen Gran <sgran@debian.org> (supplier of updated adduser package)

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Format: 1.8
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:22:55 +0100
Source: adduser
Binary: adduser
Architecture: source all
Version: 3.108
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Adduser Developers <adduser-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Stephen Gran <sgran@debian.org>
Description: 
 adduser    - add and remove users and groups
Closes: 405905 417291 435642 452864 473286 475147 478087 478089 481352 483436
Changes: 
 adduser (3.108) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   [ Joerg Hoh ]
   * also ignore ".dpkg-save" files when populating the new homedir initially.
     (Closes: #452864)
   * deluser: fix order of arguments to tar. Thanks to Otto Visser.
     (Closes: #481352)
 .
   [ Stephen Gran ]
   * Use $ENV{PERL_DL_NONLAZY}=1 in eval of module loading to catch XS module
     ABI mismatches
   * Get rid of two infinite loops (closes: #417291).  Incidentally, this
     (closes: #405905) by changing to assume yes to avoid going around the loop
     again.
   * Add group games to the default list for EXTRA_GROUPS (closes: #435642)
   * New translations:
     - fr (thanks Nicolas François <nicolas.francois@centraliens.net>)
        (closes: #478089, #478087)
     - hy (thanks Vardan Gevorgyan <vgevorgyan@debian.am>)(closes: #475147)
     - ru (thanks Yuri Kozlov <kozlov.y@gmail.com>)(closes: #473286)
     - sv (thanks Martin Bagge <martin.bagge@bthstudent.se>)(closes: #483436)
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