Debian Bug report logs - #404880
new icedove icon is confusing at small sizes

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Cesar Martinez Izquierdo <listas@ono.com>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: new icedove icon is confusing at small sizes

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:20:54 +0100

Package: icedove
Version: 1.5.0.9.dfsg1-1
Severity: wishlist

The new icedove icon (the pigeon) is quite beautiful, but it is quite
confusing at small sizes.

My gnome-panel size is set on 24 pixels, and at this size it's
impossible to distinguish the stamp, the world and the pigeon. The
only thing I can see is a white spot on a green 'thing', so it's
quite hard to guess that this icon represents a mail program.

Moreover, the new iceweasel icon looks quite similar at this size,
so it's very difficult to distinguish them. This is a problem 
for shortcuts and also for the taskbar. Just try to open 5 iceweasel
windows and icedove, look at the taskbar and try to distinguish
them in a fast glance.

Other applications' icons look OK at this size (examples: nautilus,
gnome-terminal, amsn, kmail, rythmbox, gedit, etc). I can provide
some snapshots.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 4.0
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-3-686
Locale: LANG=es_ES@euro, LC_CTYPE=es_ES@euro (charmap=ISO-8859-15)

Versions of packages icedove depends on:
ii  cdebconf [debconf-2.0]    0.111          Debian Configuration Management Sy
ii  debconf [debconf-2.0]     1.5.11         Debian configuration management sy
ii  libatk1.0-0               1.12.3-1       The ATK accessibility toolkit
ii  libc6                     2.3.6.ds1-9    GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii  libcairo2                 1.2.4-4        The Cairo 2D vector graphics libra
ii  libfontconfig1            2.4.2-1        generic font configuration library
ii  libgcc1                   1:4.1.1-21     GCC support library
ii  libglib2.0-0              2.12.6-1       The GLib library of C routines
ii  libgtk2.0-0               2.8.20-3       The GTK+ graphical user interface 
ii  libjpeg62                 6b-13          The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG 
ii  libpango1.0-0             1.14.8-3       Layout and rendering of internatio
ii  libpng12-0                1.2.15~beta5-1 PNG library - runtime
ii  libstdc++6                4.1.1-21       The GNU Standard C++ Library v3
ii  libx11-6                  2:1.0.3-4      X11 client-side library
ii  libxcursor1               1.1.7-4        X cursor management library
ii  libxext6                  1:1.0.1-2      X11 miscellaneous extension librar
ii  libxfixes3                1:4.0.1-5      X11 miscellaneous 'fixes' extensio
ii  libxft2                   2.1.8.2-8      FreeType-based font drawing librar
ii  libxi6                    1:1.0.1-4      X11 Input extension library
ii  libxinerama1              1:1.0.1-4.1    X11 Xinerama extension library
ii  libxrandr2                2:1.1.0.2-5    X11 RandR extension library
ii  libxrender1               1:0.9.1-3      X Rendering Extension client libra
ii  libxt6                    1:1.0.2-2      X11 toolkit intrinsics library
ii  myspell-ca [myspell-dicti 0.5-3          Catalan dictionary for myspell
ii  myspell-en-gb [myspell-di 1:2.0.4~rc1-3  English_british dictionary for mys
ii  myspell-en-us [myspell-di 1:2.0.4~rc1-3  English_american dictionary for my
ii  myspell-es [myspell-dicti 1.9-8          Spanish dictionary for myspell
ii  zlib1g                    1:1.2.3-13     compression library - runtime

icedove recommends no packages.

-- debconf information:
* icedove/browser: GNOME

Message #10 received at 404880@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: César <listas@ono.com>

To: 404880@bugs.debian.org

Subject: I've submitted a similar bug against Iceweasel

Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:11:11 +0100

I've submitted a similar bug against Iceweasel: #404882

Although those are wishlist bugs, please, consider them as important
(not in the formal sense of important), as they produce an annoying
usability problem when using Icedove and Iceweasel at the same time.

Thanks.

Message #15 received at 404880@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <404880@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: icedove: Even at 32 pixel, ice* icons look the same

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:09:40 -0600

Package: icedove
Version: 1.5.0.9.dfsg1-1
Followup-For: Bug #404880


I concur totally with OP.

The white & light green do not have enough contrast.  This is especially
true for the tiny "running window" icons.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 4.0
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.18rlj2
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968)

Versions of packages icedove depends on:
ii  debconf [debconf-2.0]     1.5.11         Debian configuration management sy
ii  libatk1.0-0               1.12.4-1       The ATK accessibility toolkit
ii  libc6                     2.3.6.ds1-10   GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii  libcairo2                 1.2.4-4        The Cairo 2D vector graphics libra
ii  libfontconfig1            2.4.2-1        generic font configuration library
ii  libgcc1                   1:4.1.1-21     GCC support library
ii  libglib2.0-0              2.12.6-2       The GLib library of C routines
ii  libgtk2.0-0               2.8.20-4       The GTK+ graphical user interface 
ii  libjpeg62                 6b-13          The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG 
ii  libpango1.0-0             1.14.8-5       Layout and rendering of internatio
ii  libpng12-0                1.2.15~beta5-1 PNG library - runtime
ii  libstdc++6                4.1.1-21       The GNU Standard C++ Library v3
ii  libx11-6                  2:1.0.3-4      X11 client-side library
ii  libxcursor1               1.1.7-4        X cursor management library
ii  libxext6                  1:1.0.1-2      X11 miscellaneous extension librar
ii  libxfixes3                1:4.0.1-5      X11 miscellaneous 'fixes' extensio
ii  libxft2                   2.1.8.2-8      FreeType-based font drawing librar
ii  libxi6                    1:1.0.1-4      X11 Input extension library
ii  libxinerama1              1:1.0.1-4.1    X11 Xinerama extension library
ii  libxrandr2                2:1.1.0.2-5    X11 RandR extension library
ii  libxrender1               1:0.9.1-3      X Rendering Extension client libra
ii  libxt6                    1:1.0.2-2      X11 toolkit intrinsics library
ii  myspell-en-us [myspell-di 1:2.0.4~rc1-3  English_american dictionary for my
ii  zlib1g                    1:1.2.3-13     compression library - runtime

icedove recommends no packages.

-- debconf information:
* icedove/browser: GNOME

Message #20 received at 404880@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com>

To: 404880@bugs.debian.org

Subject: green color is part of the problem.

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:08:44 -0600

Not only does it look poor in Gnome - it looks just as bad in KDE.

The problem is the green color - it is just not high contrast enough to look good at small 
sizes against the gray task-bar.  Icons need to be designed and looked at as they are used - 
good art isn't the same as a good logo.


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Message #25 received at 404880@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Alexander Sack - Debian Bugmail <asac@debian.org>

To: Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com>, 404880@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#404880: green color is part of the problem.

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:03:39 +0100

On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 08:08:44PM -0600, Karl Schmidt wrote:
> Not only does it look poor in Gnome - it looks just as bad in KDE.
> 
> The problem is the green color - it is just not high contrast enough
> to 

I doubt its the green color in general ... we need specifically crafted
icons (dot-by-dot) for those sizes.

> look good at small sizes against the gray task-bar.  Icons need to be 
> designed and looked at as they are used - good art isn't the same as a good 
> logo.

<ironic>
Really? Thats news for me ...
</ironic>

BTW,
 + volunteers for good icons don't grow in my backyard
 + talk is cheap

so ... just attach improved icons. Anything less just won't improve
the situation. Thanks!

 - Alexander

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Message #30 received at 404880@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com>

To: Alexander Sack - Debian Bugmail <asac@debian.org>

Cc: 404880@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#404880: green color is part of the problem.

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:24:09 -0600

Alexander Sack - Debian Bugmail wrote:

> BTW,
>  + volunteers for good icons don't grow in my backyard
>  + talk is cheap
> 
> so ... just attach improved icons. Anything less just won't improve
> the situation. Thanks!

uhh - I did attach a better graphic that works well as an icon.

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Message #35 received at 404880@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Alexander Sack - Debian Bugmail <asac@debian.org>

To: Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com>, 404880@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#404880: green color is part of the problem.

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:41:11 +0100

On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 09:24:09AM -0600, Karl Schmidt wrote:
> Alexander Sack - Debian Bugmail wrote:
> 
> >BTW,
> > + volunteers for good icons don't grow in my backyard
> > + talk is cheap
> >
> >so ... just attach improved icons. Anything less just won't improve
> >the situation. Thanks!
> 
> uhh - I did attach a better graphic that works well as an icon.
> 

Hmmm ... don't see it here in my inbox, nor in

  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404880

... can you please resend?

 - Alexander

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Message #40 received at 404880-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Carsten Schoenert <c.schoenert@t-online.de>

To: Karl Schmidt <karl@xtronics.com>, Cesar Martinez Izquierdo <listas@ono.com>

Cc: 404880-done@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#404880: green color is part of the problem.

Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 00:10:19 +0200

Version: 10.0.12-1

Hello,

Icedove uses new icons for a long time. So this report isn't relevant
for current Icedobe versions.

Regards
Carsten

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