Debian Bug report logs - #332611
'please update the license text'

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Joerg Jaspert <joerg@ganneff.de>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: php4-pear-log: ELICENSE - licensed under non-free "The PHP License, version 2.02"

Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:10:54 +0200

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Package: php4-pear-log
Severity: serious

Sorry, but the license doesnt really fit the package. You have a php
addon thing, using PHP license 2.02, but unfortunately for you this
license cant really be used with anything else than PHP itself.

It always only talks about "the product PHP", not about software.
And "php-whatever" isnt really "PHP" from the PHP group.
Point 5 in the older version 2) is also an advertisement clause.
Bad thing which is usually discouraged.

And, at the end there is the following text:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
This software consists of voluntary contributions made by many
individuals on behalf of the PHP Group.
The PHP Group can be contacted via Email at group@php.net. For more
information on the PHP Group and the PHP project, please see
<http://www.php.net>. This product includes the Zend Engine, freely
available at <http://www.zend.com>.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I doubt that your package is made "on behalf of the PHP group". Or that
it includes the Zend Engine.

As a good solution for this I suggest to talk to your upstream. Looking
at the license they choosed they do want to make it available for
everyone, so I suggest to use either the original BSD license or the
LGPL.

The other solution is to reassign this bug to ftp.debian.org requesting
the removal of this package.

-- 
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Message #16 received at 332611@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Charles Fry <debian@frogcircus.org>

To: mike@php.net

Cc: 332611@bugs.debian.org

Subject: HTTP and the PHP License

Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:57:33 -0500

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Hi,

As you may already be aware, a Debian package of your PEAR HTTP module
has been created for distribution as a part of Debian (and thereafter
all of its derivatives). Unfortunately, it was discovered that the PHP
License under which HTTP is released is problematic for software other
than PHP itself. This problem has already been brought before the PEAR
community, and is being actively worked on. If you are interested, you
can read about the problems with the license (when applied to software
other than PHP) and some of the ensuing discussion at:

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/08/msg00188.html

or in one of the PEAR mailing lists which were also involved in the
discussion.

To give you a sense of how uncompatible the PHP License is for the
release of software other than PHP, please consider point (6) of version
3.0:

    "Redistributions of any form whatsoever must retain the following
    acknowledgment: 'This product includes PHP, freely available from
    <http://www.php.net/>'."

While this is perfectly reasonable when distributing PHP itself, it
would be silly to think that you really expect us to only distribute
HTTP bundled with the entire PHP distribution. :-)

The PEAR team is currently working on how they would like to address
this issue:

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/08/msg00238.html

But in the meantime, Debian is forced to remove PHP Licensed packages
(except of course for PHP itself) in order avoid violating the license.

We would, however, love to keep HTTP in Debian if you are able to change
the licence to something more compatible with your package. The BSD
License is quite similar to the PHP License. In fact, the first two
clauses of the PHP License were drawn from the BSD License. You can find
an example BSD License at:

   http://www.debian.org/misc/bsd.license

Note that the third point is optional, and is often left out.

We hope that you'll be able to migrate HTTP to a license that is not
specific to PHP itself, in order to allow us to distribute it in Debian.

Thanks for your understanding, and please feel free to contact us with
any further questions that you have regarding this matter.

Charles

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Message #21 received at 332611@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Charles Fry <debian@frogcircus.org>

To: 332609@bugs.debian.org, 332611@bugs.debian.org

Subject: [Fwd: Re: File/HTTP and the PHP License]

Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:31:13 -0500

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----- Forwarded message from Michael Wallner <mike@php.net> -----

From: Michael Wallner <mike@php.net>
Subject: Re: File/HTTP and the PHP License
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:03:17 +0100
To: Charles Fry <debian@frogcircus.org>
Reply-To: mike@iworks.at

Hi Charles,

the process of converting all of my packages had already started.

Cheers,
-- 
Michael - <mike(@)php.net> 
http://dev.iworks.at/ext-http/http-functions.html.gz

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Message #26 received at 332611@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Charles Fry <debian@frogcircus.org>

To: 332606@bugs.debian.org, 332607@bugs.debian.org, 332608@bugs.debian.org, 332609@bugs.debian.org, 332610@bugs.debian.org, 332611@bugs.debian.org, 332613@bugs.debian.org, 332614@bugs.debian.org, 332615@bugs.debian.org, 332616@bugs.debian.org, 332617@bugs.debian.org, 332618@bugs.debian.org

Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org

Subject: PHP License

Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:10:34 -0500

I just wanted to make sure that all relevant RC bugs were aware of the
following debian-legal post by MJ Ray:

   "The PHP licence could be OK for any software which has PHP Group
   contribution (regardless who is licensing later), but would require 
   lying about other software. So, it is possible for others to use it 
   'freely' when PHP Group was involved upstream and avoid the problem
   you describe.

   "Please leave the PHP licence bugs open for software which has no
   contribution by the PHP Group (which seems true for one or two pear
   packages IIRC). I don't think the PHP licence can be accepted as
   always-OK for others yet."

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/12/msg00142.html

Of course his comments are not binding on Debian, but they do express a
train of thought which has not been satisfactorily refuted on
debian-legal.

To summarize the long and continuing thread on "Clarification regarding
PHP License and DFSG status", there have been many comments questioning
the freeness of the PHP License, but there has been no refutal to my
proposal (agreed to by MJ above) that whatever the status of the PHP
License in Debian, it be applied equally to PHP and PHP Group software.

cheers,
Charles

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Message #31 received at 332611@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Charles Fry <debian@frogcircus.org>

To: 332606@bugs.debian.org, 332607@bugs.debian.org, 332608@bugs.debian.org, 332609@bugs.debian.org, 332610@bugs.debian.org, 332611@bugs.debian.org, 332613@bugs.debian.org, 332614@bugs.debian.org, 332615@bugs.debian.org, 332616@bugs.debian.org, 332617@bugs.debian.org, 332618@bugs.debian.org

Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: PHP License

Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:13:11 -0500

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Just to clarify the context of my previous message, in November Pierre
from the Pear Group reported[1] that the PHP License was modified to
address the most severe of our concerns about its freeness. The
resultant license, unlike the previous version, appears to at least
apply equally to PHP and other PHP Group software, such as Pear
packages.

While debian-legal still feels that the license remains problematic, and
it is probably a good idea to encourage your upstream package maintainer
to adopt a new license, it is not entirely clear whether or not these
bugs are truly release critical, assuming that they deal with Pear
packages, which I have not taken the time to verify. The PHP License
clearly remains unacceptable for all non-PHP Group software.

Charles

   1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/11/msg00260.html

-----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Fry <debian@frogcircus.org>
> Subject: PHP License
> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:10:33 -0500
> 
> I just wanted to make sure that all relevant RC bugs were aware of the
> following debian-legal post by MJ Ray:
> 
>    "The PHP licence could be OK for any software which has PHP Group
>    contribution (regardless who is licensing later), but would require 
>    lying about other software. So, it is possible for others to use it 
>    'freely' when PHP Group was involved upstream and avoid the problem
>    you describe.
> 
>    "Please leave the PHP licence bugs open for software which has no
>    contribution by the PHP Group (which seems true for one or two pear
>    packages IIRC). I don't think the PHP licence can be accepted as
>    always-OK for others yet."
> 
>    http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/12/msg00142.html
> 
> Of course his comments are not binding on Debian, but they do express a
> train of thought which has not been satisfactorily refuted on
> debian-legal.
> 
> To summarize the long and continuing thread on "Clarification regarding
> PHP License and DFSG status", there have been many comments questioning
> the freeness of the PHP License, but there has been no refutal to my
> proposal (agreed to by MJ above) that whatever the status of the PHP
> License in Debian, it be applied equally to PHP and PHP Group software.
> 
> cheers,
> Charles
> 
> -- 
> A better buy -- why not try
> Burma-Shave
> http://burma-shave.org/jingles/1939/a_better_buy

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Message #36 received at 332611@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Charles Fry <debian@frogcircus.org>

To: control@bugs.debian.org

Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org, 332606@bugs.debian.org, 332607@bugs.debian.org, 332608@bugs.debian.org, 332609@bugs.debian.org, 332610@bugs.debian.org, 332611@bugs.debian.org, 332613@bugs.debian.org, 332614@bugs.debian.org, 332615@bugs.debian.org, 332616@bugs.debian.org, 332617@bugs.debian.org, 332618@bugs.debian.org, 331418@bugs.debian.org

Subject: please update the license text

Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:45:52 -0500

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severity 332606 important
severity 332607 important
severity 332608 important
severity 332609 important
severity 332610 important
severity 332611 important
severity 332613 important
severity 332614 important
severity 332615 important
severity 332616 important
severity 332617 important
severity 332618 important
severity 331418 important
retitle 332606 'please update the license text'
retitle 332607 'please update the license text'
retitle 332608 'please update the license text'
retitle 332609 'please update the license text'
retitle 332610 'please update the license text'
retitle 332611 'please update the license text'
retitle 332613 'please update the license text'
retitle 332614 'please update the license text'
retitle 332615 'please update the license text'
retitle 332616 'please update the license text'
retitle 332617 'please update the license text'
retitle 332618 'please update the license text'
retitle 331418 'please update the license text'
thanks

Hi,

For all current RC bugs in Pear packages that use the PHP License, I am
downgrading the severity to important, and requesting that
debian/copyright be updated to the new PHP License, version 3.01. This
new license has been modified making it equally suitible for use by PHP
Group software as for PHP itself. The culmination of the discussion
motivating this current change can be found at [1].

cheers,
Charles

 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/02/msg00059.html

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Message #47 received at 332611-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thijs Kinkhorst <thijs@debian.org>

To: 332611-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#332611: fixed in php-http 1.4.0-1

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:17:12 +0000

Source: php-http
Source-Version: 1.4.0-1

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
php-http, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

php-http_1.4.0-1.diff.gz
  to pool/main/p/php-http/php-http_1.4.0-1.diff.gz
php-http_1.4.0-1.dsc
  to pool/main/p/php-http/php-http_1.4.0-1.dsc
php-http_1.4.0-1_all.deb
  to pool/main/p/php-http/php-http_1.4.0-1_all.deb
php-http_1.4.0.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/main/p/php-http/php-http_1.4.0.orig.tar.gz



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 332611@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Thijs Kinkhorst <thijs@debian.org> (supplier of updated php-http package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
administrators by mailing ftpmaster@debian.org)


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Format: 1.7
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:35:31 +0200
Source: php-http
Binary: php-http
Architecture: source all
Version: 1.4.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Thijs Kinkhorst <thijs@debian.org>
Description: 
 php-http   - PHP PEAR module for HTTP related stuff
Closes: 332611
Changes: 
 php-http (1.4.0-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   [ Martin Lohmeier ]
   * new upstream release
   * updated debian/control (XS-X-Vcs-Svn, debendencies, description)
   * updated to Standard version 3.7.2
   * new debian/rules to use pear to install files
   * updates debian/compat
   * updated to PHP License 3.01 as upstream did (Closes: #332611)
 .
   [ Thijs Kinkhorst ]
   * Remove tmpdir from package && upload it.
Files: 
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 62f3ef8c163e2ac11b8ea0163f2a5d3e 4593 web optional php-http_1.4.0.orig.tar.gz
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